best of the WORST films according to this Wikipedia listicle

Terror of tiny town is basically a b western with midgets. It’s fine. Incredibly strange creatures is enjoyable but not as awesome as the one with tom baker and donald pleasance making hybrid human-plants.

I saw Caligula in its entirety… it’s fine. A bit tedious in parts iirc. Voted Cats.

If you vibe with the slew of weird-ass musicals released in the late '70s/early '80s

This is a pretty big "if".

the Catwoman movie really was remarkably bad. I caught it on TV once and just could not figure who the target audience was supposed to be. it seemed like it wasn't written for women who liked superhero movies, it was written for women who watched stuff like Sex and the City. they made the main villain the CEO of a cosmetics company! on the other hand, Halle Barry in the Catwoman suit....

The Apple has enough wild musical numbers to be worth seeing, though honestly I started feeling pretty uncomfortable in the last half when you start to realize that all the evil characters are black/gay/gender-non-conforming and the only pure characters are the straight Aryan types.

There's no way Fatal Deviation should be on this list. It's a tiny film made for about twenty quid by an Irish martial artist, shot on location in a small Irish town. Also it rules.

has ANYBODY seen the Uma Thurman Avengers?

― ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, May 2, 2024 11:03 AM

Yeah, when it came out. I remember it being bad and forgettable, not so bad it was memorable.

― Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Thursday, May 2, 2024 5:29 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

It has one good visual gag and Uma Thurman and Ralph Fiennes both look pretty hot in it, but that's all it has going for it, as far as I remember.

I liked this Guardian article about Sex Lives of the Potato Men 20 years on. Maybe it's ready to be rediscovered as a lost Real England masterpiece (NB I have never seen it)

I've seen it and it's utter fucking garbage.

An American Hippie in Israel very relevant right now

American Werewolf in London prequel?

I've seen it and it's utter fucking garbage.

maybe it just needs to be seen in the right context - double feature with the live action Fat Slags movie (also 2004)

I've seen most of these and there's a lot of low-hanging inept and goofy movies here, but by far North is the most aggressively overstuffed and hateful p.o.s. ever. It's even worse than Inchon

This titbit from the Guardian article has piqued my interest in ‘Sex Lives of the Potato Men’.

Adrian Chiles – who Humphries knew from the BBC – makes a cameo performance as a towel-clad swinger.

Missed that soref highlighted the same bit!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAGlk4fXUAApGiJ?format=jpg&name=medium

Gotta go with The Apple, that is one weirdass movie

I’ve read a few reviews of Bat Pussy and it sounds like the experience of watching it would drain me of my will to live.

The Apple has enough wild musical numbers to be worth seeing, though honestly I started feeling pretty uncomfortable in the last half when you start to realize that all the evil characters are black/gay/gender-non-conforming and the only pure characters are the straight Aryan types.

― JoeStork, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:01 (two hours ago)

Also, the dude who actually sings the title song and is a minion of Mr. Bim is a Chris Atkins-curly haired white dude, so.

by far North is the most aggressively overstuffed and hateful p.o.s. ever

There was never anything to tempt me about this film in any way but I've read the Wikipedia entry once or twice and always think something like "From Spinal Tap to this, eh Rob?"

In an interview during production [of Inchon], Sir Laurence Olivier explained why he agreed to be in the cast:

"People ask me why I'm playing in this picture. The answer is simple; money, dear boy. I'm like a vintage wine. You have to drink me quickly before I turn sour. I'm almost used up now, and I can feel the end coming. That's why I'm taking money now. I've got nothing to leave my family, but the money I can make from films. Nothing is beneath me if it pays well. I've earned the right to damn well grab whatever I can in the time I've got left."

If I saw Highlander II (and will have to check), it’s the only one of these movies I’ve ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvq-fnjCyeo

This looks like some way out stuff.

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MOMMIE DEAREST and ISHTAR should run away with this

I voted for Maniac; it's terrible but in a Grand Guignol manner.

Is No Orchids For Miss Blandish supposed to be that bad? As a British knockoff of American hard-boiled film it was meh, but I didn't think it was that actively awful.

yeah, going with Ishtar for sure

The thing about Ishtar was that neither Warren Beatty nor Dustin Hoffman had made a film for five years prior, so a film with both of them together… expectations were huge. So what did we get? Basically a pretty funny Hope and Crosby “Road” picture. Nothing amazing. But certainly a lot of laughs, particularly in the first half before it gets all ‘Rambo.’

has ANYBODY seen the Uma Thurman Avengers?

i did and it was truly awful. i've only walked out of one movie, and that should have been the second

...wait so what WAS the movie you walked out on?

Judging by username it was Do the Right Thing

prospero's books (although tbf i hadn't paid for it)

The only film I can remember walking out on was Exit to Eden, which was a supposedly sexy film starring Rosie O'Donnell and Dana Delaney that was pretty much the very opposite of sexy.

me and my friends walked out of the Gus Vant Sant Psycho, which we had gone to with free tickets. this was senior year of high school. we then decided to go to downtown Orlando (Church Street) and I got lost and ran out of gas on I-4, then when a cop stopped by to help, ran towards him and tripped on the asphalt, scraping up my hands and knees. dad kept asking me for years if I made the story up of me falling and if someone had actually beaten me up.

in recent years, having things like Moviepass and memberships, I pretty much walk out the moment I start to nod off of a bad film

I may have also walked out on Wes Craven's Shocker from 1990, which put me off horror films for a good ten years

when walking out of a movie, always walk into another one

Ha I remember how bad EXIT TO EDEN was and also someone later telling me about some Schadenfreude gloating from one of the director’s old friends

But the wit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wMwAtIMsNY

I may have also walked out on Wes Craven's Shocker from 1990

I only finally saw that the other year at an annual Halloween party that shows various horror movies of less than compelling quality. A friend noted during it "Yeah Wes said in later years he was going through a divorce at the time" and boy, could you ever tell.

i've seen

Reefer Madness
Robot Monster
Zaat aka Blood Waters of Doctor Z
Exorcist II: The Heretic (1977)
The Swarm (1978)
Mommie Dearest (1981)

All bad movies. Exorcist ii and mommie dearest are the most constantly entertaining. I guess I'll go with mommie dearest for the axe scene and the coat hangers scene.

The Swarm is really the worst, I mean OMFG. If you took money to be in that film you are a whore.

Ha, I believe Michael Caine basically said as much on more than one occasion

damn, you left off a lot of my favorite picks

i guess out of what's left i gotta go with _fatal deviation_. y'all really should check out the whole list on wikipedia, though - there are some very worthy picks by very worthy creators on there

noteworthy bad films i can think of off the top of my head include:

the return of dr. x
boom in the moon
the wizard of oz (the 1925 larry semon version)
switch (2013)
devilman (2004)
space warriors 2000
ninja: final duel

The Swarm is really the worst, I mean OMFG. If you took money to be in that film you are a whore.

― Josefa

hey sex work is work

btw, a link between two of the films on this list: gore vidal was inspired to write "myra breckinridge" specifically to make fun of bunny breckinridge, a trans woman who appeared in "plan 9 from outer space".

i'm not overly fond of gore vidal. personally.

Ishtar is fucking brilliant, and people were idiots to bash it upon release. The opening establishing bromance scenes at the bar between Hoffman and Beatty are so funny you forget to breathe

New biography on Elaine May is out in a few weeks

North is wretched, excruciating, racist shit, and Rob Reiner had never recovered from it

The only film I walked out of was "Gold", Roger Moore. Because it was very boring.

I used to claim that Ecks vs. Sever was the worst movie I'd seen. I wonder if it "holds up"

Ecks vs. Sever is excruciating. It’s not even comedically awful

Voted Robot Monster, a great work. Good blu edition out now with a 3D capacity that makes some of the directing choices make much more sense.

The Apple has enough wild musical numbers to be worth seeing, though honestly I started feeling pretty uncomfortable in the last half when you start to realize that all the evil characters are black/gay/gender-non-conforming and the only pure characters are the straight Aryan types.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 2 May 2024 17:01 (two hours ago)

Its production came at a moment in the Disco chronology when the producers felt that, as well as cashing in on Disco itself, they should also cash in on the backlash against same, so it has this weird moralistic side to it, it knows you've come for the decadence but also wants to pretend it opposes this decadence. The Sgt Pepper's movie is imo an even more blatant version of this, trying to recast the Lonely Hearts Club Band as some sort of ragtime institution symbolizing America's lost innocence, though unlike The Apple it does pull the "some of my best friends" card by making Earth, Wind & Fire part of the good guys. Both movies are kinda illustrative of this boomer duality, they want the sex and the coke but in the end they wish it was still the 50's.

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making Earth, Wind & Fire part of the good guys.

thus giving us their "got to get you into my life", the one good thing to come out of that film

nobody ever talks about the predecessor film, the "disco beatlemania" to _sgt. pepper's_ "stars on 45" - _all this and world war ii_, a compilation of 1940s newsreel footage set to covers of beatles songs

it even prominently features the bee gees on the soundtrack

i've never actually seen _all this_ or _sgt. pepper's_. casting the hottest disco group in the country as 3/4 of a "ragtime institution symbolizing America's lost innocence" in opposition to the hedonistic degeneracy of disco is certainly a... creative decision. because there's nothing more american than the beatles. not even the bee gees.

they want the sex and the coke but in the end they wish it was still the 50's.

― Daniel_Rf

also weird: the boomer belief that sex wasn't invented until 1967.

_the apple_ really gives me heaven's gate vibes. the ufo cult, not _other_ 1980 critically reviled film. it seems like the kind of film that would inspire someone to _really commit_ to america's lost innocence by, say, getting an orchiectomy. which is another weird thing to me. i know a lot of people who've had orchis, and the idea that getting an orchi is somehow an act of _chastity_ is utterly bizarre to me. in fairness, a lot of us also boof prog. i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that marshall herff applewhite never boofed prog.

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if i hadn't voted for _fatal deviation_ i would probably have gone with _robot monster_.

It’s a shame that people discuss Mommie Dearest more than the truly brilliant films Frank Perry made like Last Summer, Ladybug Ladybug, Doc (also with Faye Dunaway, and easily the most underrated western of the 70’s), Diary of a Mad Housewife, and Play it as it Lays

I think THE SWIMMER probably rates a tiny bit higher in the cinephile circles than MOMMIE

I just saw The Swimmer on Criterion, had never even heard of it before... definitely Burt Lancaster's most impressive performance

I liked Frank Perry's David and Lisa but it felt very underbaked, and I liked Carrie Snodgrass in Diary of a Mad Housewife (although, was there ever a more early-70s film?)

The Swimmer with Burt Lancaster is his greatest achievement I think, it is at turns aspirational, absurd, and allegorical, with beautiful cinematography (I have to believe Slim Aarons was influenced by him) and is maybe the perfect 1968 film

(I posted that before remembering that my favorite film of all time was from 1968)

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MOMMIE DEAREST and ISHTAR should run away with this

― Rich E. (Eric H.), Thursday, May 30, 2024 5:54 PM (yesterday)

Nailed it!

I still need to see Exorcist II: The Heretic.

From Dave Kehr's original capsule review for the Chicago Reader:

"Everybody seems to hate this movie, and not without good reason. But John Boorman’s 1977 follow-up to William Friedkin’s shocker is a much more interesting film than the original, and Boorman deserves credit for trying out some new ideas, even if most of them backfire. Visually, it’s fascinating—sort of a blend of Minnellian baroque and Buñuelian absurdity—but the dialogue is childish, the story is incomprehensible, and the metaphysics are ridiculous. Still, an audacious failure is preferable to a chickenhearted success. More than worth a look, if only out of curiosity"

And of course Scorsese's take:

“The picture asks: Does great goodness bring upon itself great evil? This goes back to the Book of Job; it's God testing the good. In this sense, Regan (Linda Blair) is a modern-day saint — like Ingrid Bergman in Europa '51, and, in a way, like Charlie in Mean Streets. I like the first Exorcist, because of the Catholic guilt I have, and because it scared the hell out of me; but The Heretic surpasses it. Maybe Boorman failed to execute the material, but the movie still deserved better than it got.”

nobody else voted for things?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqwUqHmHSoY

The Sgt Pepper's movie is imo an even more blatant version of this, trying to recast the Lonely Hearts Club Band as some sort of ragtime institution symbolizing America's lost innocence,

I'm sure I've told the story already of going to see this at a late night show in a cinema in Dublin. After about twenty minutes, people started to walk out. By the time my boyfriend and I gave up on it after half an hour, there was a small queue at the box office looking for refunds. The staff apologised to everyone, acknowledged that they had booked the film without knowing anything about it, and gave us vouchers. They said they couldn't give a refund because there was nothing technically wrong with the screening.

I liked Carrie Snodgrass in Diary of a Mad Housewife (although, was there ever a more early-70s film?)

Quite true. Frank Langella!

My previous take on Sgt. Pepper's, in part:

'If the Voyager space probe had contained only the Beatles discography and was discovered by meth-head aliens who mistakenly believed that these albums comprised the root of earthling communication, this movie would be their attempt at a response. And it would be difficult to interpret their message as anything but a veiled threat.'

Also I forgot Things was in the running! Probably should've thrown a vote it's way.

I'm glad to say that everything I would've championed received at least one vote. Except Turkish Star Wars, dang it. Love that deranged piece of copyright infringement so much.

Here's how I'd rank those that I've seen:

Not even bad or weird, just good movies:
Robot Monster (1953)
Ishtar (1987)
Mommie Dearest (1981)

Delightfully weird or inept:
The Apple (1980)
Myra Breckinridge (1970)
Things (1989)
Dünyayı Kurtaran Adam (The Man Who Saves the World) (1982)
An American Hippie in Israel (1972)

Made zero lasting impression whatsoever:
Highlander II: The Quickening (theatrical version, 1991)
Catwoman (2004)
The Last Airbender (2010)

Actual crimes:
North (1994)
Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever (2002)

I really need to see those last two crime movies

This was a good poll!

Burt Lancaster is excellent in The Swimmer, but I’m not sure if I’d put his performance in it above what he delivered in Conversation Piece, Local Hero, Ulzanna’s Raid, or Brute Force. He was the most unconventional and fearless actor of his generation by far

Seriously, though-how can you not see Last Summer? I saw the only 16mm print of it in existence at a screening with the great Barbara Hershey. It is just devastating. Play It As It Lays is an incredible adaptation of Joan Didion’s novel, and Tuesday Weld is amazing

Was it the uncut version? I've seen Last Summer a couple of times (on actual VHS rental, on bootleg, on TCM) and was never certain if I ever saw the original X version. But yeah the ending is devastating whether cut or not. Wish Cathy Burns had more of a career, not to mention a happier life.

Sadly still the case (taken from frank perry, film director):

Warner Archive used to--might still--field questions about projects on their Facebook page. They have the rights to Last Summer, and it seemed like every month they got a query about their ongoing restoration efforts. IIRC, they were basically making a new master culled from different sources--The Aussie 16 mm print (which is indeed the most complete surviving celluloid copy), a tape master which has the cut footage, and various and sundry negative/positive elements--none of which were in the greatest of shape thank s to both the shoestring nature of the production and original distributor Allied Artists poorly maintained archives.

― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, June 5, 2017 2:46 PM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ah I should have voted Things, it's genuinely otherworldly, almost everything in it is incompetent at a level where you wonder how it could even have been completed, but at the same time it really achieves something beyond 99% of 'bad movies.' It looks like it was filmed in Hell.

A review on Letterboxd of Bat Pussy:

Commonly called "the first porn parody" as well as "the worst porn movie of all time," this Texas-shot oddity is about as meagre as you can get and still have something to project on a screen. The loose plot involves "Buddy" and "Sam," a squabbling couple who bicker, argue, and insult each other while also drowsily, sloppily going down on each other. Sample dialogue: "I've sucked on them tittes for the last fucking time. I been suckin' on them mother fuckers for the nast, last nine years." Meanwhile, across town in her secret hideout, "Dora Dildo" gets "a twitch in her twat" that tells her that fucking is happening in Gotham City. So she puts on a ratty Batgirl costume and becomes "Bat Pussy," and travels slowly along the side of a highway on a hippity-hop to interrupt Buddy and Sam's flaccid lovemaking. Eventually she arrives in their home and hops in their marital bed, and the three of them writhe around together in a big pile of pockmarked flesh. Words cannot do justice to what this actually looks like, except to note that the Blu-Ray clarity reveals Buddy's diaper-rash in all its glory. It ends after a little more than 50 minutes, and you will not be begging for more.

There is one fun moment where Sam and Bat Pussy fall out of bed in a very awkward and possibly painful way and start cracking up. I liked seeing them break kayfabe for a few seconds.

There are a lot of pornos that you could call "not very sexy," but very few where it's this difficult to imagine anyone, anywhere being able to jerk off to it. The director and actors are still unknown, so there's no one who can really explain it, giving this movie a powerful sense of mystery. The Blu-Ray does include an excellent new commentary by Melinda Belles and Dennis Campa, two Texas exploitation film experts who know everything it's currently possible to know about it, which is not a whole lot.

In conclusion: this is a great film that belongs in every home video library.

Lancaster's best performance is in Atlantic City, though he was already on fire for a lot of the '70s.

...And 50s/60s. He was also great in From Here To Eternity (1954), The Birdman of Alcatraz (1963), and The Leopard (1963)

xxxp I would love to see Last Summer, but it is not available right now

Agreed.

beamish13 otm about Lancaster. A fascinating, conflicted guy, equipped with a superior intelligence. He loved Lampedusa's novel so much that he handed out inscribed copies to friends for years. I can think of few American movie stars with his beauty who accepted the toll of age and chose roles late in life without vanity.