US Politics, May 2024: They Shoot Puppies, Don't They?

these people are fucking evil

When protests are not about actually explaining your cause or trying to engage journalists who are there to listen. ⁦@Peggynoonannyc⁩ describes her visit to Columbia before the raid. pic.twitter.com/S2fxZZVXwe

— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) May 4, 2024

Get a load of what that turd Noonan assembled into words:

The Vietnam demonstrations came to a country at relative peace with itself and said: Wake up! The Hamas demonstrations come to a country that hasn’t been at peace with itself in a long time. It watched, and thought: More jarring hell from kids with blood in their eyes making demands.

The people of my liberal-left town were relieved to see the NYPD come in, drag the protesters away, restore order, and let people clean things up.

People want peacefulness. They want to go about their lives. It’s not too much to ask.

Ah yes Peter Baker, the guy who doesn't vote because he wants to remain doggedly neutral and unbiased in his reporting.

the farmer's market is literally outside my office door and there is a folk singer who has been singing the words "shut down the system now" over and over in a tuneless warble thru an amp for what feels like 10 minutes straight. i want to shut it down alright. shut down my ears!
there is usually a pretty sizable pro-palestine group at the intersection on saturdays. haven't looked yet today. waiting for that guy to stop before i go buy some potatoes.

Don’t even get me started on today’s McWhorter column, which is so ahistorical as to be infuriating

Get a load of what that turd Noonan assembled into words:

_The Vietnam demonstrations came to a country at relative peace with itself and said: Wake up! ._

Grandma was drunk on the morning's fourth martini.

The Vietnam demonstrations happened at a comparable time of the country having intractable political differences akin to now.

There were even maoist-Stalinist factions being taken seriously!!

Newspaper editors aren’t what they used to be

Also as tables mentioned upthread… 54th anniversary of kent state.

We are devo in a not good way

you have to remember that the average age of a times reader is 758 years old.

I am a times reader!

I only got the wordle in 5, but no mistakes on Connections all week!

haha. good going, old-timer!

wall street journal headline today:

*Activist Groups Trained Students for Months Before Campus Protests*

yesterday, the headline was:

*Colleges Have a New Source of Protest on Their Hands: Irate Parents*

they do have a pretty interesting story about radio journalists at columbia.

Inside Columbia’s Tumultuous Protests, as Told by Student Radio Journalists
WKCR’s 19-person team, some of the few journalists to remain on campus, went from jazz to on-the-ground news coverage

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/inside-columbias-tumultuous-protests-as-told-by-student-radio-journalists-4a6fd494

wordle and spelling bee are the only reason we pay for the NYT

I definitely think that you are otm scott about some of the language from the universities about outside actors/agitators is related to avoiding being sued by parents + conservative shit-stirrers like that republican congresswoman who probably otherwise dgaf about jews (perhaps we should call them outside agitators)

Xp akm — they also have some useful articles re business, finance and real estate… but I realize that’s a “work thing” for me

Apparently Jerry Seinfeld’s wife helped bankroll the UCLA counterprotest:

And as some American cities and college campuses simmer with conflict over the Middle East crisis and Israel’s military response, Mr. Seinfeld has faced a measure of public scorn that he has rarely courted as a breakfast-obsessed comedian, intensified by the more vocal advocacy of his wife, Jessica, a cookbook author.

This week, as the couple and their children appeared together at the premiere of Mr. Seinfeld’s new movie (“Unfrosted,” about Pop-Tarts), Ms. Seinfeld attracted attention for another reason: She promoted on Instagram, and said she had helped bankroll, a counterprotest at the University of California, Los Angeles, where clashes with pro-Palestinian demonstrators have turned violent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/04/us/politics/jerry-seinfeld-antisemitism-jewish-identity.html

So there’s yr outside agitator

Why do people buy cookbooks anymore?

They make for good birthday presents.

Not joking… that’s one thing the internet definitely has made obsolete for me

I would guess ilx has at least one other thread where we complain about cookbooks

But seriously, someone who identifies as a “cookbook author” to me, that signifies they don’t actually have to work for a living

i honestly assumed when people were talking about 'outside agitators' that is what they were talking about

*unless they are old

also her cookbooks suck

I would think most “cookbook authors” would be primarily “chefs”, not writers. Is that not true?

sorry for quotes

If they actually have to work, yes!

I would possibly think more highly of her if she was an “art collector” … another occupation that signifies having wealth they didn’t have to earn themselves

Encampment at University of Virginia broken up by the cops.

I'm just having flashbacks to the BLM protests in 2020, and how middle america did not understand those protests at all but were fed footage of destruction and unrest and chaos, and how it almost cost Biden the election

Those protesters were right and these protesters are right, but I feel like it's happening again and just don't think our very conservative country is ready for it all, and regardless of our political opinions, that matters

in good news, in my large suburban satx school district all the right wing school board candidates (including an incumbent) lost their races today

Fantastic! Hopefully Abbott & his crew don't take note and start a campaign of fuckwithery in SA like they've done in Houston.

I'm just having flashbacks to the BLM protests in 2020, and how middle america did not understand those protests at all but were fed footage of destruction and unrest and chaos, and how it almost cost Biden the election

Those protesters were right and these protesters are right, but I feel like it's happening again and just don't think our very conservative country is ready for it all, and regardless of our political opinions, that matters

― Dan S, Saturday, May 4, 2024 9:36 PM

There were millions involved then. Don't worry about it.

"Don't take a stand for what's right because it might scare the silent majority" is quite a take.

Democrats are going to be labeled by the conservative (and "centrist") media as woke nags, soft on crime, open border communists no matter how much you try to cater to them.

When Beto ran against Abbott, he immediately started doing a little dance about not teaching critical race theory in schools. It was a stunning success and he only lost by 11 and a half points instead of 12.

Those protesters were right and these protesters are right, but I feel like it's happening again and just don't think our very conservative country is ready for it all, and regardless of our political opinions, that matters

I think its important to treat each issue separately and not fall into the trap of thinking all things are manifestations of the same meta issue. I think without doing this its easy to conflate "I have the following issues with this particular protest" with "I have issues with protest" and while there may be overlap these are absolutely not the same thing, even if they masquerade as such

As regards BLM, it met one of the two conditions for successful protest (it was large scale), but arguable not the other (clarity of goal). I think the Gaza protests should aim to be more lIke the BLM protests, and aspire to the scale, and not just be campus protests.

In regard to the Gaza protests clarity and specificity of goal, its arguably much more clear and specific than BLM's, 1) Ceasefire Now was extremely clear, and Divestment is also extremely specific, targeted, and achievable. Its possible that it could be losing some of that into more ambiguous or philosophical territory, with from the river to the sea and/or whether Israel has a right to exist, rather than specific goals like ending the military strikes and occupation of Gaza which have a broader reach

As to whether it came close to losing Biden the election or not, I don't know how true that is, I'm fairly agnostic on things like that as its difficult to measure. I will say that I think scale matters here, and the people at large scale protests are also voters. Yes right wing media will say well they're all maoists, and the people who believe that stuff with believe it regardless, what matters are the people who won't automatically believe that - what will they think? And the larger the scale the more likely they will either have gone to a protest themselves or know somebody that has. Somebody that might not normally attend protests.

Dan S, with all respect, if protestors catered every protest and movement cause to the gentle dispositions of a bunch of church-going ethno-nationalist loons in suburban Topeka who want homos like you and I dead in a ditch, then we wouldn’t get very far very fast. In fact, we’d still be stuck in the Jim Crow era, and you and I would probably be stuck in loveless marriages to women while rubbing one out with our buddies after poker games or whatever.

In other words, why cater to a population that hates you and wants you dead?

A million Dennis Quaids married to a million Julianne Moores.

i'd hit that.

I think the Gaza protests should aim to be more lIke the BLM protests, and aspire to the scale, and not just be campus protests.

― anvil, Sunday, May 5, 2024 12:48 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know where you live anvil, but there have been protests virtually every weekend for months in my city. Plus smaller-scale actions like weeks of daily protests outside the MP's office that's around the corner from my apartment.

Yep.

We have had some general (non-campus) protests in Washington DC since October but not lately.