US Politics, May 2024: They Shoot Puppies, Don't They?

I'm just having flashbacks to the BLM protests in 2020, and how middle america did not understand those protests at all but were fed footage of destruction and unrest and chaos, and how it almost cost Biden the election

Those protesters were right and these protesters are right, but I feel like it's happening again and just don't think our very conservative country is ready for it all, and regardless of our political opinions, that matters

― Dan S, Saturday, May 4, 2024 9:36 PM

There were millions involved then. Don't worry about it.

"Don't take a stand for what's right because it might scare the silent majority" is quite a take.

Democrats are going to be labeled by the conservative (and "centrist") media as woke nags, soft on crime, open border communists no matter how much you try to cater to them.

When Beto ran against Abbott, he immediately started doing a little dance about not teaching critical race theory in schools. It was a stunning success and he only lost by 11 and a half points instead of 12.

Those protesters were right and these protesters are right, but I feel like it's happening again and just don't think our very conservative country is ready for it all, and regardless of our political opinions, that matters

I think its important to treat each issue separately and not fall into the trap of thinking all things are manifestations of the same meta issue. I think without doing this its easy to conflate "I have the following issues with this particular protest" with "I have issues with protest" and while there may be overlap these are absolutely not the same thing, even if they masquerade as such

As regards BLM, it met one of the two conditions for successful protest (it was large scale), but arguable not the other (clarity of goal). I think the Gaza protests should aim to be more lIke the BLM protests, and aspire to the scale, and not just be campus protests.

In regard to the Gaza protests clarity and specificity of goal, its arguably much more clear and specific than BLM's, 1) Ceasefire Now was extremely clear, and Divestment is also extremely specific, targeted, and achievable. Its possible that it could be losing some of that into more ambiguous or philosophical territory, with from the river to the sea and/or whether Israel has a right to exist, rather than specific goals like ending the military strikes and occupation of Gaza which have a broader reach

As to whether it came close to losing Biden the election or not, I don't know how true that is, I'm fairly agnostic on things like that as its difficult to measure. I will say that I think scale matters here, and the people at large scale protests are also voters. Yes right wing media will say well they're all maoists, and the people who believe that stuff with believe it regardless, what matters are the people who won't automatically believe that - what will they think? And the larger the scale the more likely they will either have gone to a protest themselves or know somebody that has. Somebody that might not normally attend protests.

Dan S, with all respect, if protestors catered every protest and movement cause to the gentle dispositions of a bunch of church-going ethno-nationalist loons in suburban Topeka who want homos like you and I dead in a ditch, then we wouldn’t get very far very fast. In fact, we’d still be stuck in the Jim Crow era, and you and I would probably be stuck in loveless marriages to women while rubbing one out with our buddies after poker games or whatever.

In other words, why cater to a population that hates you and wants you dead?

A million Dennis Quaids married to a million Julianne Moores.

i'd hit that.

I think the Gaza protests should aim to be more lIke the BLM protests, and aspire to the scale, and not just be campus protests.

― anvil, Sunday, May 5, 2024 12:48 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know where you live anvil, but there have been protests virtually every weekend for months in my city. Plus smaller-scale actions like weeks of daily protests outside the MP's office that's around the corner from my apartment.

Yep.

We have had some general (non-campus) protests in Washington DC since October but not lately.

Is it that in this case the campus protests are getting more media attention?

Because they're happening at campuses from which our political media graduated.

otm

There have also been campus protests before April that got less/zero coverage: https://theconversation.com/media-coverage-of-campus-protests-tends-to-focus-on-the-spectacle-rather-than-the-substance-229172

Our campus too:

https://panthernow.com/2024/02/18/all-eyes-on-rafah/

well the big one that got all the attention was literally steps from the doors of every reporter and photographer in new york. so that helps.

but in documenting the columbia thing so closely it ended up spawning more i would think. snowball. protest snowball.

so journalistic laziness isn't always a bad thing if you like protests.

^^Best Fear song

I feel like as we get older, we want our experiences to be meaningful and have younger generations learn from them (it is also a selfish impulse, of giving our experiences more value)… so when I see people of my generation say “younger activists are doing it wrong”… I have mixed feelings. I definitely feel the frustration of an older person saying “all these lessons are available, learn from them”… but I also feel like when you are young (as we older people all have been)… at least when I was young, I needed to do some things my way in order to learn and to feel like I was actually me learning

^^ I think Alfred and table definitely get this based on their posts about the current protests and maybe a lot more of you do as well

100%

otm, also making noise is making noise. There are a lot of ways to get attention, all of them can be helpful.

i think the kids are alright. protest is good. denying thy father is good. chances are you'll just end up miserable working at some horrible insurance company...but until then! fight the good fight. i do worry now about the internet's ability to warp minds though. and do it so quickly. its such an amazing tool for people who want to warp other people. Qanon isn't a real thing! millions of people believe in it! so, there is that on the other side of things as well. in fact, more and more, i feel like the same fucked up stuff is getting to right and left equally. it sucks that the old - and in some cases ancient - fake shit from bygone eras is STILL alive on people's computers. hoary old racist shit. it should have been left behind. now it just gets to people extra-fast.

Scott otm, a certain amount of fuck u mom & dad should be celebrated

^^ I think Alfred and table definitely get this based on their posts about the current protests and maybe a lot more of you do as well

― sarahell, Sunday, May 5, 2024

I appreciate this comment, but I've a lot to learn -- and I've already learned a lot.

But sadly, you are likely to end up at the insurance company and telling mom & dad they were right about some stuff and wanting them to remember when they had various embarrassing medical problems

called it!

Maybe it’s to show a contrast with Biden, who didn’t have what it took to shoot his dog when it kept biting people.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, April 27, 2024 9:29 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Kristi Noem Suggests Biden’s Dog Should Have Been Killed, Too

The South Dakota governor, defending her tale of shooting and killing her family’s dog, suggested that President Biden’s German shepherd, Commander, had merited a similar fate.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/05/us/politics/kristi-noem-biden-dog.html

Seriously fuck her

Does she weigh in on eugenics as well?

I definitely don't want the full list of everyone Kristi Noem would like to take to the gravel pit.

She'd shoot her mom and kids if it would get her the vice presidential nomination and a FOX show on Saturday afternoon.

its too bad this didn't come out after Trump picked her for VP

Hakeem Jeffries outright embarrassing himself on 60 Minutes

What'd we miss?

sarahell and Scott OTM

“Send Noem to the pit alone” tshirt now pls

the thing about Noem is I don't remember her looking this villainous and indeed

.@GovKristiNoem what happened? pic.twitter.com/YFSD3Jjq75

— Dr. Oddman 😷 aka Dark Brandon (@oddemann) May 5, 2024

the way they all try to look like Melania is pretty creepy

she's been undergoing this transformation for at least 4 years.

Next Stop:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Cruella_de_Vil.png

NYT, a couple of months ago:

Back in 2010, when she was first running for Congress, Ms. Noem had a haircut that looked like a cross between “the Rachel,” the layered, straightened haircut Jennifer Aniston made famous on “Friends,” and the power bob favored by Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi. When she won re-election in 2012, she had chopped it into a short look that Ms. Sheppard compared to the signature haircut of Kate Gosselin from “Jon & Kate Plus 8,” albeit slightly more corporatized.

After Mr. Trump won the presidency and the MAGA movement took off, Ms. Noem adopted a new look. Her hair got longer and longer, with tousled waves kissed by the curling iron, her part moved to the center. She began to resemble a doppelgänger for Kimberly Guilfoyle, Donald Trump Jr.’s fiancée. Or a dark-haired version of Lara Trump, Eric Trump’s wife and the new co-chair of the Republican National Committee. Even Ms. Noem’s clothes changed, from the khaki shirtdress she wore to CPAC in 2011 to the bright blue sheath she chose for her State of the State address this year.

There is no better example of her transformation than the cover photo on her new book, “No Going Back: The Truth on What’s Wrong with Politics and How We Move America Forward,” which features a portrait of Ms. Noem with lips glossed, eyelashes thick and one hand seemingly playing with her wavy locks as she sits in her desk chair in a blazer and dress before the American flag.

“She practically looks like a member of the Trump family,” Mr. Bonjean said. “Maybe a cousin.”

"When Republicans Get Stylists..." would be a good photo thread.

hahaha

reminds me of Hannity getting more and more orange every time you saw him after Trump got elected

the kimberly guilfoyle makeover

Kari Lake has some catching up to do if she wants to look like one of the fam

Lips To The Lord & Taylor: "When Republicans Get Stylists...": Let Us Make America Fabulous Again and (Flag-) Pin Down The Aesthetic!

The point is to make old man Trump make honking “va va va vooom!l sounds

Why don’t they try to make themselves look like Ivanka then