US Politics, May 2024: They Shoot Puppies, Don't They?

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If Smartmatic gets that adverse inference instruction, I would say that case is just about over.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 20:32 (one month ago) link

I don't see why Biden has to work to appease voters that hold him responsible for not following through on student debt relief. It's not like Trump's voters hold him responsible for not building the wall, not having Mexico pay for the minuscule amount that was built, not replacing Obamacare with something better, etc.

henry s, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 20:46 (one month ago) link

i hear it's still infrastructure week

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 20:49 (one month ago) link

Trump's voters either think he did build the wall or that the Deep State/Demoncrats kept him from following through on any given issue.

Democrats, often by choice, fail to properly demonize their opponents - instead you get Biden and Pelosi talking about the need for a strong Republican Party because muh norms.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 20:51 (one month ago) link

Democrats' commitment to rationality forbids jugular attacks, but Biden's proven he can do it

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 21:08 (one month ago) link

I think when Biden and Pelosi talk about how "we need a strong Republican Party", in their minds this is code for "we just wish they'd stop electing loons because otherwise this ship is going down fast". They'd be better served by staying silent than openly indulging in this fantasy.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 21:18 (one month ago) link

Alito flew another flag at another house last year: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/22/us/justice-alito-flag-appeal-to-heaven.html

My question is why is all of this just getting noticed now? obviously his neighbors knew about it at the time. Did they just like, not mention it to anyone?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 21:22 (one month ago) link

Too rich to snitch?

steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 21:42 (one month ago) link

He's probably stopped paying his HOA fees because of Liberty and his neighbors are now pisses

Holy christ

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:04 (one month ago) link

ain't no fun at the top

Mike Johnson’s woes continue after exodus of staff in run-up to elections

Latest staff departures include communications director Raj Shah as House speaker struggles to retain leadership position

The Republican speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, is reeling from a sudden staff exodus as he struggles to keep his position and the GOP’s tiny majority in the run-up to November’s elections.

In the latest in a spate of resignations, Johnson’s well-connected communications director, Raj Shah, a former White House deputy press secretary under Donald Trump, has confirmed he is leaving, Axios reported. He is expected to depart by the end of the summer.

News of his impending departure comes a day after it was announced that three top policy staff members, Brittan Specht, Jason Yaworske and Preston Hill, had quit and would leave by the end of May.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:06 (one month ago) link

Speaking of Mike Johnson, apparently he also had that appeal to heaven flag hanging outside his congressional office.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:16 (one month ago) link

Also, Joe Biden didn't cancel all student debt.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:17 (one month ago) link

cancel student debt culture is out of control

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 22:37 (one month ago) link

https://x.com/DKThomp/status/1793270876550398329

I wonder how this happened?

meanwhile, yesterday's headline in the FT was, not a joke: "Biggest US retailers cut prices as inflation hits shoppers"

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:19 (one month ago) link

New Harris-Guardian poll:

- 56% say US is in recession (reality: 7 straight quarters of positive GDP growth)
- 49% say stocks are down YTD (reality: S&P500 up 12%)
- 49% say unemployment at a 50-year high (reality: U3 has been under 4% longer than any period since the 1960s) pic.twitter.com/Hsnpq5IBy8

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) May 22, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:19 (one month ago) link

Good mornning!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:20 (one month ago) link

vibes are off

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:21 (one month ago) link

indictment of the fourth estate but what will anyone do about it, nothing

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:28 (one month ago) link

every article gets the community note: Actually this is good news for Biden.

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:32 (one month ago) link

lol more middle to upper class ILXors poking fun at people who are struggling and aren’t seeing the benefits they are

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:50 (one month ago) link

full employment? sure, 30 hr/week near poverty wage jobs with no benefits, hardly anyone owns stock who isn’t already wealthy, etc. yall continue to trip over yourselves to dismiss the lived realities of a lot of people

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:51 (one month ago) link

People feeling like the economy is doing poorly because of their personal financial situation is different than believing the economy is in a recession when it it isn't

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:53 (one month ago) link

not defending the record just having a go at the media which has totally failed to inform its audiences - agree wholeheartedly that those measures do not capture life as it’s lived

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:54 (one month ago) link

There has never been a time, certainly not in the fabled post-WWII boom era, when everyone was personally seeing the benefits of the economy.

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:57 (one month ago) link

it's almost like capitalism is inherently unfair or something

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 23 May 2024 14:57 (one month ago) link

lol more middle to upper class ILXors poking fun at people who are struggling and aren’t seeing the benefits they are

― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table)

I could only dream of being middle class atm where I am but I still understand like numbers and stuff unlike those in that poll

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:02 (one month ago) link

the media definitely needs to do better, it's wild they haven't learned a single thing since 2016, that said half the country watches news sources that are designed from the ground up to lie to them

frogbs, Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:03 (one month ago) link

they did learn from 2016, they learned they can shape the narrative how they choose to get the result they want

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:04 (one month ago) link

expecting people to care about and change their minds about the state of the world thanks to aggregate statistical data--or, worse, numerological nonsense like stock indexes--is bizarre

rob, Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:08 (one month ago) link

besides, views of the economy track with partisanship so you're starting with a hard floor of at least 40%

rob, Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:10 (one month ago) link

+ Table

bulb after bulb, Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:13 (one month ago) link

not defending the record just having a go at the media which has totally failed to inform its audiences - agree wholeheartedly that those measures do not capture life as it’s lived

agree with this.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:16 (one month ago) link

absolutely not "poking fun at people who are struggling". i realize this is an issue for you table, but you're missing the point here imo.

the point is: people think things about whether we're in a recession, and whether the stock market is down that simply are not true.

the point is not: people are wrong about their own lives.

you can argue those things are the stock market and GDP are not important to most people's lives, and I'm not going to disagree with you, but a lot of people do think GDP and the stock market is important, and are going to vote for trump on the basis it they're falling, but they're ... not.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:22 (one month ago) link

(fwiw though, 60% of americans own stocks btw, so I think a false belief that the stock market is down is actually worth worrying about.)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:24 (one month ago) link

yeah i'm saying those people answered questions about measurable metrics just completely wrong when the answers are readily available.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:29 (one month ago) link

40% of Americans don't know that Ireland or Belgium are in the EU. It doesn't mean those countries aren't in the EU.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:35 (one month ago) link

america won vietnam

z_tbd, Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:37 (one month ago) link

I had a threesome with Jake Gyllenhaal and Barbara Bush.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:38 (one month ago) link

my condolences, Alfred

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:40 (one month ago) link

america won vietnam

This ultimately ended up being sort of true?

anvil, Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:46 (one month ago) link

america won vietnam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6QqZF3J14

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:53 (one month ago) link

I hear the bombing had surprisingly little long-term impact

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:54 (one month ago) link

the point is: people think things about whether we're in a recession, and whether the stock market is down that simply are not true.

the point is not: people are wrong about their own lives.

While this is true, the question people answer isn't necessarily the one that is asked

anvil, Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:57 (one month ago) link

I “own stocks” stocks only in the sense that they are in mutual funds which are tied up in 401k for my retirement. I’m not living off of dividends.

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 23 May 2024 15:59 (one month ago) link

I own storks

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:12 (one month ago) link

If they asked a question about worsening income inequality, I would have to say yes, yes it is

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:16 (one month ago) link

but they don't ask that question

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:16 (one month ago) link

Definitely the economy doesn't seem great to many people based on their personal experiences. But the larger thing going on with that poll imo is just the ongoing hyper-partisanalization of reality. If 50 percent of people believe unemployment is at a 50-year high, that's mostly because 40 percent of them are just mindlessly filling in whatever answer is worst for Biden. That kind of thing makes these polls sort of useless.

what if it makes them predictive

well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Thursday, 23 May 2024 16:27 (one month ago) link


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