Israel/Palestine post 10/7 - follow-on events/thoughts as relate to other countries

TBF, Tablet is only "mainstream" in that it's a website people who are online a lot have usually heard of. It posts extremely weird takes all the time.

Tablet is hardly mainstream

mea culpa, i am probably too online

yeah according to one of those web traffic tracking sites, it has 1/12th the visitors of Pitchfork

And probably three times the staff

And just to be clear, man alive's posts are not the ones I am referring to.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR)

yes, cosign

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/adjunct-professor-fired-depaul-assignment-war-in-gaza-public-health/

that tablet article strikes me as one of the most antisemitic things ever but maybe I just read it that way because I was raised a granola catholic who thinks dimly of vengeance.

It certainly makes Christianity seem like one of the greatest things ever.

From UK pol but this backroom fixer who lobbies for continued relationship with Israel has been fast tracked to become an MP at our general election taking place in a few weeks. He pushes appalling conspiracies like this.

Labour candidate for North Durham Luke Akehurst spread Alex Jones-style conspiracy about Gaza, claiming that Palestinian crisis actors staged videos of IDF atrocities. pic.twitter.com/h2bRdpqryx

— Karl Hansen (@karl_fh) May 30, 2024

Whatever party wins next month it is certain that hostility toward Palestine from the British government is to continue.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/30/two-more-us-officials-resign-over-biden-administrations-position-on-gaza-war

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7lEDW5OjXE/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Just saw this shared on instagram, by my former college acquaintance who has some affiliation with reality israel, which is a group I believe this activist is part of, perhaps even a founder. I also believe she was someone who was strongly pushing the narrative that academia in the United States was infiltrated with rampant anti-semitism, and she might have even been somewhat adjacently involved with the Congressional embarrassments in recent months.

I really don't have any comments on this beyond that, just seemed like the right thread for it.

why bring pro-genocide bullshit here?

“here’s some pro-Israel talking points justifying mass murder, also I know this lady” like wtf

Something so grim about what I term Hasbara Honeys with balayage, immaculate make-up and enunciation straight out of a flight safety video.

"Turns out it's all their fault, not ours."

if you read carefully you'd see that I don't actually know this person at all, this dumbass I went to school with perhaps knows her and shared it, and obviously others have posted content from the pro-israeli side to shine a light on the type of bs being pushed. I don't know what you think my post was intended to convey other than disgust but allow me to say that type of content is disgusting but important to see.

And please I ask you, don't put words in my mouth, or imply something completely untrue about my motives.

Omar you’ve posted a lot about your family, your fears and your perspective over these threads. I thought you were showing it not to spread it in and of itself, but because seeing someone you know irl pushing this kind of content is really shocking. It’s hard to know what to say about radicalisation or how to combat it. I was reading an article a good while back about people with Qanon parents and it honestly was horrifying reading about these people trying to reason with their parents who lived in a different reality.

That's true, gyac, I don't really feel anything more than appalled by seeing that. it's sort of this helpless feeling seeing it, the complicated justifications which can be summed up as "this massacre was a good thing and here's why."

I'm irrationally annoyed by that lady's hypercorrect pronunciation of "Hamas" (it's spelled with a ح not a خ)

On further investigation, it appears that mispronouncing "Hamas" is just a normal thing that Israelis do? (I'll try not to read too much into that.) Didn't mean for that to be a cheap shot, I just find it genuinely annoying, in the same way that Anglo Americans saying "habañero" is annoying.

Sa-damm Hussein

Former president of Eye-Rack

The Former Guy

The book jacket for "A Problem From Hell" says:

"Samantha Power poses a question that haunts our nation's past: Why do American leaders who vow 'never again' repeatedly fail to marshal the will and the might to stop genocide?"

Right now she's firing people for reports on Gaza. pic.twitter.com/QWVJSjgZqk

— ☀️ Jon Schwarz ☀️ (@schwarz) May 30, 2024

People grow and change

Sorry for jumping down your throat omar.

I personally don’t feel the need to see that kind of hasbara stuff, because there’s so much of it to go around. That’s just me tho, and I understand why you brought it in. I was so repulsed I overreacted.

It's okay, I mean I have not seen a whole lot of that stuff because I've been studiously avoiding much of the discourse for my own sanity, that one just showed up right in my feed this morning and it was immediately appalling to me. The tone of the couple other ones I've seen are all so similar, these slick influencer vids designed for the fog of war.

This action was in Vancouver on Friday, when we blocked trains for over three hours all the way into Seattle.

For those inconvenienced by actions to end genocide, fight to end genocide.

Because our resolve is stronger. From Salish Sea to Palestine, may all people live free. https://t.co/R0H2MIk182

— Harsha Walia (@HarshaWalia) June 2, 2024

Harsha is the best.

It's interesting to note that @BBCNews regards the murder of seven people in the Ukraine to be a bloodbath... But 45 Palestinians dead in Rafah is dismissed as a "limited operation" pic.twitter.com/KvhyFN1Pdx

— William Dalrymple (@DalrympleWill) May 28, 2024

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7zB-KANAae/?igsh=aTFqdjl6eXVhbjh1

Wtf happened to Piers Morgan?

He likes to do a turn every now and then to show he's "open minded". He'll doubtless be back to right wing talking points soon enough but for the moment I'll take it.

Israel Secretly Targets U.S. Lawmakers With Influence Campaign on Gaza War

My friend went to the funeral for ‘our’ hostage yesterday. Orión was a dual national so both nations’ embassies sent floral tributes, but not a single blossom or acknowledgement from the Israelis.

that’s awful, suzy.

regarding my previous article post, safe to say that if almost any other country did what Israel did, it would be a huge scandal.

There’s so much I want to say about what happened and how various state actors behaved between 7 October and today, but a) some of the incidents were very odd indeed b) the families have been put through the wringer and c) I am peripheral to this so feel it would not be my place to speak (apart from the things I have said).

Wtf happened to Piers Morgan?

Yeah, he's been pretty outspoken about this. (I saw something where he compares Netanyahu's actions and reasoning unfavorably to the way the UK handled the IRA.) I've only caught clips of him that get reported on or go viral - never watched his show - but he's like Bill Maher where he's just really outspoken about personal opinions that range all over the place from good to terrible and he knows how to leverage his platforms so that everyone knows about them. So yeah, wait a while and I'm sure he'll do something shitty again, etc.

BREAKING: Spain has said it will join South Africa’s case before the ICJ accusing Israel of genocide in the Gaza Strip https://t.co/YMNXYWyafJ pic.twitter.com/I1KRvqxzcY

— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) June 6, 2024

nobody expects the spanish…

sorry

Interesting argument that anti-Palestinian racism is a linked but separate phenomenon from Islamophobia, and that it must be addressed differently as a result.

https://www.vox.com/policy/352663/anti-palestinian-racism-islamophobia-antisemitism

Sorry if link has already been posted here. Really thorough piece in the LRB from a month ago. It starts on the Hamas rape allegations, but it goes on to cover a lot of the ground we have here, plus a lot of the discourse, with detours into the history of sexual violence in the conflict and others throughout the world.

www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v46/n09/azadeh-moaveni/what-they-did-to-our-women

BREAKING

UN investigation concludes that Israel is committing the crime of EXTERMINATION in Gaza.

The truth is out.pic.twitter.com/oVDMFfL4y4

— sarah (@sahouraxo) June 12, 2024

Good to see.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jun/14/barclays-suspends-sponsorship-from-download-latitude-and-isle-of-wight-festivals

she couldn’t catch a train directly between two parts (!). I think my main concern for functioning in such a state might be both under and overestimated: how do you live together in peace after that?

I realized later your friend might have been referring to the fact city buses don't go to Lukavica or Istocno, but turn around just before so you have to walk the last 15 minutes if you want the "other" bus station for Podgorica or Belgrade.

With the wider point about segregation, its difficult to answer. The segregation is between 3 groups not 2, and while it is very pronounced its not absolute. There are mixed towns with different sides like Mostar, but then other towns that are intermingled but have things like the "two schools under one roof" system, where Bosniak kids and Croatian kids are taught in the same building but under different systems due to the "different languages". But this isn't necessarily popular with people and is a lot to do with unintended consequences of Dayton rather than the conflict itself, which incentivised and entrenched corruption by the way it organised power along ethnic lines (Jews, Albanians, and others are barred from various forms of office)

The HDZ has long been upset with Komsic because although he is Croatian he has popularity with non-Croatians as well as Croatians, which makes him insufficiently nationalist for the HDZ, which is an example of how the major parties are anti-integrationist for pragmatic/cynical reasons, so there's a top down element to all this.

The current situation is very safe, low levels of crime and violence but high corruption, and high emigration, as the country is gridlocked by the consequences of Dayton itself (although I'm not saying it was wrong per se given the circumstances at the time).

As to what lies below the surface, I don't know. Its worth pointing out that up to a third of all marriages were mixed in the 1960-1980s and yet what happened still happened. Thats a topic all of its own, but I wanted to say that the solution to the conflict is itself has had a lot of unforeseen consequences (or foreseen but viewed as acceptable tradeoff)

A piece that attempts to describe those utterly insane IDF videos.

https://thebaffler.com/latest/running-amok-turfah

I don’t know what this is from but it is worth watching and also accurately describes why I feel we need to talk about what Zionism is and what it is doing to Palestinians and Israelis.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8XEOZ7OPpb/?igsh=MTJxY3dqNTFhem1qeg==