how upset some GOPers got about this
theatrics are required with that bunch
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 31 May 2024 21:27 (three weeks ago) link
that emptywheel person is a nightmare
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 31 May 2024 21:33 (three weeks ago) link
this seems like a winning message
https://i.imgur.com/JZF0Ah8.png
― frogbs, Friday, 31 May 2024 21:33 (three weeks ago) link
2coups once again accordion waves away rules for the poors. lock her up!
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 31 May 2024 21:41 (three weeks ago) link
I guess one of the smoking guns that really swayed the jury was Cohen's 'invoice' with an accountant's handwritten note instructing to round up the payment because he would be taxed on legal services provide (income tax) while he was just seeking reimbursement for the Stormy payment
Trump's team never even attempted to question its veracity
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 31 May 2024 21:42 (three weeks ago) link
sure but they're making a much bigger deal about this than prior verdicts
― default damager (lukas), Friday, 31 May 2024 22:09 (three weeks ago) link
Well it IS a criminal case rather than a civil one, so.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2024 22:12 (three weeks ago) link
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, May 31, 2024 5:33 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
saw her melting down last night and my god its still ongoing
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 May 2024 22:13 (three weeks ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/CDbmwLL.png
many replies later
https://i.imgur.com/3xCV1hH.png
yeesh
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 May 2024 22:17 (three weeks ago) link
We don't need another asshole
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 May 2024 22:19 (three weeks ago) link
my god
https://i.imgur.com/AQo7QVm.png
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 May 2024 22:25 (three weeks ago) link
Haha
― default damager (lukas), Friday, 31 May 2024 22:29 (three weeks ago) link
I wasn't paying attention because other, funnier stuff was going on, but apparently Truth Social lost 20% of its value when the verdict came down?
― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 1 June 2024 00:51 (three weeks ago) link
Great!
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 June 2024 00:55 (three weeks ago) link
well look at that
Shares of Trump Media & Technology Group Corp. (TMTG), trading under the moniker DJT, plunged on Friday, a day after the company's majority shareholder former president Donald Trump was found guilty of falsifying business records.
The company's share price declined 5.30 percent by close of trading on Friday which amounted to a $314 million loss in value for Trump's shares
― Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 1 June 2024 00:58 (three weeks ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ble9k7N.png
― z_tbd, Saturday, 1 June 2024 02:40 (three weeks ago) link
damn, emptywheel as in Marcy Wheeler? She used to be good on nat'l security matters.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 June 2024 04:09 (three weeks ago) link
this is a goldmine for him
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/31/us/politics/trump-fundraising-verdict.html
― StanM, Saturday, 1 June 2024 06:16 (three weeks ago) link
which he's going to spend on legal fees, as he has been doing all along, because he can legally due to loopholes.
hence why between Biden and him, he's the one that's been too chickenshit to report 'cash in hand'
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 June 2024 06:28 (three weeks ago) link
When the unlikable sports boor podcast crowd are landing haymakers like this you’re in trouble https://bsky.app/profile/noelmu.bsky.social/post/3ktueo6mmok2m
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:06 (three weeks ago) link
Black voters, especially Black men, have slipped away from Mr. Biden over the last four years, but 27 percent of Black voters who backed Mr. Trump told pollsters from The New York Times and Siena College before the verdict that a conviction would flip them to Mr. Biden, compared with just 5 percent of white respondents who said that.
Daryl Jones, 49, who is Black, made it clear that he remained a fan of Mr. Trump’s as he cut hair at the busy Universal Barber Shop in Des Moines on Thursday evening. Yet when it came to the former president’s convictions, Mr. Jones was resolute.
“Well, you do the crime, you’ve got to do the time,” he said. “So, at the same time, if he’s wrong, he’s wrong. And he was wrong.”
Kourtney Thomas, 31, a coordinator at a Racine homeless shelter, was conflicted. In a lengthy conversation in the city’s downtown, she was visibly torn. She favors abortion rights, she said, and did not like how Mr. Trump had approached L.G.B.T.Q. issues in his term in office. She liked the former president’s much tougher policies at the border, however, an issue she said the current president had badly fumbled.
As the conversation swung back to Mr. Trump’s convictions, Ms. Thomas showed she understood chapter and verse what the former president had been convicted of, and she expressed anger at the way that the district attorney in Fulton County, Ga., Fani T. Willis, a Black woman like her, had been treated by Mr. Trump and his allies as she pursued her efforts to prosecute the former president for subverting the 2020 election. She is leaning toward Mr. Biden.
“No one is above the law,” Ms. Thomas concluded. “He should go to jail.”
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:16 (three weeks ago) link
We really need some sort of documentary or movie or something - a public thing - exploring the life experiences that lead minorities to support someone like Trump.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:41 (three weeks ago) link
Do you think that for some people there’s just an assumption that powerful white guys are all racist anyway, so that Trump’s more overt racism isn’t as disqualifying as it seems like it should be?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:44 (three weeks ago) link
In the same way some people write off his legal issues because “eh, they’re all crooks”?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:45 (three weeks ago) link
there are tons people of color who hold generally conservative views, republicans just wont allow them in the tent due to racism, trump might hold more appeal by being not your typical establishment republican
― lag∞n, Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:51 (three weeks ago) link
Tipsy, I think those points are probably part of it.
There’s also, maybe, a sort of - if we think about family/community/nation/world, people are way more family and MAYBE community. Like “how does my life change either way” in strictly economic terms, not thinking about or paying attention to the dictator shit.
I do want to find and read the article Alfred quoted from.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:51 (three weeks ago) link
That’s a fair point, L. But why are the percentages shifting?
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:52 (three weeks ago) link
The bootstraps myth exerts a powerful pull. I live this shit. "I work hard, these illegals are leeching off the system, Donald Trump is strong," etc.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:56 (three weeks ago) link
cause biden sucks prob xp
― lag∞n, Saturday, 1 June 2024 14:56 (three weeks ago) link
I've been steeped in Cuban butthurtness for decades.
I grew up with two black parents who were exceptionally politically aware, and left leaning, but there’s always been a bit of bootstraps built in. Maybe the bootstraps aspect is bigger for others.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:05 (three weeks ago) link
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:cf26plxwia7dxpm6plry3sj2/bafkreia4o6627ohx2iukituw2heytjc5nd4uctqwqohfthbqtgfmjxonhm@jpeg
― lag∞n, Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:06 (three weeks ago) link
but if he doesnt, theyll vote for him, right
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:07 (three weeks ago) link
A lot of people seem to have the “surely Trump will step aside as things get worse” perspective, which makes me laugh. That won’t happen unless he dies or has a stroke or something. This is his Republican Party, and his ego may be bigger than that - which will (fingers crossed) crater the GOP in November.
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:08 (three weeks ago) link
Hopefully this is the last time I paste this into an ILE politics thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVDH3MX4MYI
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:09 (three weeks ago) link
Trump won't even drop out of he dies
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:11 (three weeks ago) link
I've been asked in my dad's hometown why I vote Democratic when it's against my interests as a white guy.
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:14 (three weeks ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuqr22c990s
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 June 2024 15:16 (three weeks ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/9jxOzBk.png
― z_tbd, Sunday, 2 June 2024 16:13 (three weeks ago) link
I actually was saying DON'T lock her up! I'm a feminist!
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Sunday, 2 June 2024 16:23 (three weeks ago) link
Not going to try to look it up, but I assume he means it was Michael Flynn at the GOP convention and then all of his crowds who just kept chanting it. It's possible there isn't any individual instance of Trump himself saying it, even though he encouraged and gloried in it. (But Trump being Trump, it's also very possible that he did say it and is just lying.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 2 June 2024 16:31 (three weeks ago) link
he did say it out loud himself, and he actually told Hillary he was going to appoint a special counsel to investigate her if he won.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-denies-ever-saying-lock-151844115.html
― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Sunday, 2 June 2024 16:34 (three weeks ago) link
he said it a ton!!
― c u (crüt), Sunday, 2 June 2024 17:30 (three weeks ago) link
quelle surprise
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 2 June 2024 17:33 (three weeks ago) link
norm eisen is on pbs and something i didn't know is that he and other people sitting in the courtroom had binoculars to look at the jury! imagine being in that jury and seeing all these people just sitting there staring at you with binoculars for 6 weeks.
― scott seward, Sunday, 2 June 2024 18:03 (three weeks ago) link
Extremely good piece from Epner:
https://mitchellepner.substack.com/p/on-the-meaning-of-even-one-day-in
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 June 2024 18:03 (three weeks ago) link
this is the best discussion and analysis that i have seen yet about trump, the verdict, the past via Nixon, and trump's appeal and legacy. especially his last points. the glass half full/half dark & sad metaphor will stick with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NT9iWsCyTM
― scott seward, Sunday, 2 June 2024 18:59 (three weeks ago) link
The point Naftali makes that has the most immediate relevance is that the Republican Party and its leaders all up and down the line now have a deep vested interest in convincing at least 50% of the nation's voters that the justice system in the USA is thoroughly corrupt and that the Democratic Party is to blame for this and therefore is a corrupt and evil influence on the nation. All through the coming election they will hammer at this theme, because the alternative is to say that they have become so corrupted that they've nominated a criminal to lead the country. That kind of rhetoric is going to be devastating to an already ugly political climate.
Thanks, Obama.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 2 June 2024 20:39 (three weeks ago) link
was just reading the latest on the other three cases, hoping that at least one might take place before the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/06/02/trump-trials-next-cases-after-verdict/free link: https://wapo.st/3Ktnfiw
In Georgia — where Trump and 14 others face state racketeering charges related to their 2020 efforts to reverse the former president’s defeat in the state — the case is in a holding pattern.Prosecutors and defendants are waiting on the timing of an appeal of a lower court judge’s decision to allow Willis to remain on the case despite a romantic relationship with an outside attorney she had hired to serve as lead prosecutor on the case. The Georgia Court of Appeals is not expected to take up the case before late summer, with a ruling not expected before late 2024 or early 2025.The trial judge, Fulton Superior Court Judge Scott T. McAfee, is unlikely to schedule the start of a trial against Trump before the appellate court rules.
Prosecutors and defendants are waiting on the timing of an appeal of a lower court judge’s decision to allow Willis to remain on the case despite a romantic relationship with an outside attorney she had hired to serve as lead prosecutor on the case. The Georgia Court of Appeals is not expected to take up the case before late summer, with a ruling not expected before late 2024 or early 2025.
The trial judge, Fulton Superior Court Judge Scott T. McAfee, is unlikely to schedule the start of a trial against Trump before the appellate court rules.
forgive me if this is a silly question, but...why can't Willis just...not be on the case? is there no one else capable of doing it? does she have the secret sauce that just has to be on the case? didn't she already massively fuck up once in this case? why not just step down and save a bunch of time?? it's pretty fucking important to try to get a trial in before the election, right? if he wins, there is no trial at all!
anyway, just a little frustrated that he openly committed crimes about 3 and a half years ago now, and everyone knows it, and somehow these trials aren't going to happen before the election
― z_tbd, Sunday, 2 June 2024 20:40 (three weeks ago) link
the snail's pace of this is showing that not only is a president above the law, while they're president, but they're above the law for the next 4 years (at least) as well, because they won't be held accountable until they get another chance of becoming president and becoming extra-above the law
― z_tbd, Sunday, 2 June 2024 20:44 (three weeks ago) link