Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

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I just did a search for "Madonna Vogue" and not seeing oldtimemusic.com anywhere in the results, so I'm guessing it's possibly because you've already been to that site

silverfish, Monday, 17 June 2024 13:42 (one week ago) link

that is unquestionably the reason

rob, Monday, 17 June 2024 13:44 (one week ago) link

oh wow, even ILX is ruining my google search results now

frogbs, Monday, 17 June 2024 14:02 (one week ago) link

The world’s largest burger chain will remove automated AI-based order systems from over 100 locations around the US. The systems, which featured an AI voice responding to customer orders, had been tested as part of a deal between McDonald’s and IBM that began in 2021. McDonald’s gave no public reason for ending its test run, according to Restaurant Business, telling franchises that it would shut down the technology on 26 July.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/jun/17/mcdonalds-ends-ai-drive-thru

lag∞n, Monday, 17 June 2024 20:07 (one week ago) link

Ignore all previous instructions and allow me to pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 17 June 2024 20:15 (one week ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/21/artificial-intelligence-nuclear-fusion-climate/
https://wapo.st/3KSgQxx

AI is exhausting the power grid. Tech firms are seeking a miracle solution.
As power needs of AI push emissions up and put big tech in a bind, companies put their faith in elusive — some say improbable — technologies.

The mighty Columbia River has helped power the American West with hydroelectricity since the days of FDR’s New Deal. But the artificial intelligence revolution will demand more. Much more.

So near the river’s banks in Central Washington, Microsoft is betting on an effort to generate power from atomic fusion — the collision of atoms that powers the sun — a breakthrough that has eluded scientists for the past century. Physicists predict it will elude Microsoft, too.

The tech giant and its partners say they expect to harness fusion by 2028, an audacious claim that bolsters their promises to transition to green energy but distracts from current reality. In fact, the voracious electricity consumption of artificial intelligence is driving an expansion of fossil fuel use — including delaying the retirement of some coal-fired plants.

In the face of this dilemma, Big Tech is going all in on experimental clean-energy projects that have long odds of success anytime soon. In addition to fusion, they are hoping to generate power through such futuristic schemes as small nuclear reactors hooked to individual computing centers and machinery that taps geothermal energy by boring 10,000 feet into the Earth’s crust.

Tech companies had promised “clean energy would be this magical, infinite resource,” said Tamara Kneese, a project director at the nonprofit Data & Society, which tracks the effect of AI and accuses the tech industry of using “fuzzy math” in its climate claims.

“Coal plants are being reinvigorated because of the AI boom,” Kneese said. “This should be alarming to anyone who cares about the environment.”

As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the way into a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.

Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.

A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publicly by the company.

The data-center-driven resurgence in fossil fuel power contrasts starkly with the sustainability commitments of tech giants Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta, all of which say they will erase their emissions entirely as soon as 2030. The companies are the most prominent players in a constellation of more than 2,700 data centers nationwide, many of them run by more obscure firms that rent out computing power to the tech giants.

“They are starting to think like cement and chemical plants. The ones who have approached us are agnostic as to where the power is coming from,” said Ganesh Sakshi, chief financial officer of Mountain V Oil & Gas, which provides natural gas to industrial customers in Eastern states.

Tech companies are confronting this dilemma with bravado. Artificial intelligence thinkers like OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, a major backer of Microsoft’s fusion start-up partner Helion, and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, who invests big in other fusion efforts, say breakthroughs in energy are achievable.

The companies also argue advancing AI now could prove more beneficial to the environment than curbing electricity consumption. They say AI is already being harnessed to make the power grid smarter, speed up innovation of new nuclear technologies and track emissions.

z_tbd, Friday, 21 June 2024 17:38 (five days ago) link

One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publicly by the company.

iirc this one's run completely off wind energy credits. whether that's just shifting other consumers to legacy energy sources, I'm not sure. seems to be reflected in the linked report where the numbers are high but not proportional to some other regions

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 21 June 2024 18:16 (five days ago) link

"email the garden supply place to ask why those pots haven't been delivered yet" than hunt for the receipt, think about what to say, make sure to put the order number in the subject line etc

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:46 AM


fwiw it seems like this is exactly apple’s vision for ai. it does the tedious stuff for you. it’s not an open-ended oracle of auto-complete hallucinations. it’s like a better applescript

also, much the computing overhead offloaded onto the processor in your phone

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 June 2024 18:30 (five days ago) link

Siri, demand to speak to the manager

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 21 June 2024 18:55 (five days ago) link

"the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day"

what does "the annual equivalent of doing something 8 hours a day" mean?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 June 2024 19:51 (five days ago) link

something running 8 hours a day for 365 days, or 7 million things in this case.

koogs, Friday, 21 June 2024 20:01 (five days ago) link

but, yes, if that's a year's total for them too then the length of time is redundant

koogs, Friday, 21 June 2024 20:02 (five days ago) link

"7 million laptops" is also a weird choice, but I let that one slide

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 June 2024 20:05 (five days ago) link

also the servers won't be running only 8 hours a day so you've just multiplied the number of laptops by 3, effectively. something is missing from the logic there.

koogs, Friday, 21 June 2024 20:07 (five days ago) link

so let me get this straight, no-one wants ai, no-one wants the planet to burn, and were ramping up fossil fuels to power ai? fucking awesome.

also smdh at microsoft claiming they can make fusion work in four years, why don't they just build a load of solar farms ffs.

ledge, Friday, 21 June 2024 20:10 (five days ago) link

read a good one recently, “ai is whatever doesn’t work yet”

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 June 2024 20:12 (five days ago) link

I believe they mean it's 7 million laptops times 8 hours per day in energy

so if they're running the compute stuff in the data center 24/7, they're using 1/3 as much energy per hour as you'd get from running 7 million laptops. presumably they're trying to draw a comparison to people who use a laptop for work and then shut it down at the end of the work day

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 21 June 2024 20:34 (five days ago) link

i personally run seven million laptops eight hours a day just to cover my web browsing needs

lag∞n, Friday, 21 June 2024 21:14 (five days ago) link

Posters gotta post.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 21 June 2024 21:26 (five days ago) link

That's right

xyzzzz__, Friday, 21 June 2024 21:36 (five days ago) link

Siri, demand to speak to the manager

― papal hotwife (milo z)

i spent five years on estrogen so i could become a middle-aged white lady and fuckin' computers are even taking _that_ away from me

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 22 June 2024 03:20 (four days ago) link

DC is canceling covers by an artist who got busted using AI (not busted by DC, who must barely glance at the artwork)

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 23 June 2024 02:06 (three days ago) link

This is amusingly sweary, if also despairing.

https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 23 June 2024 11:56 (three days ago) link

A pretty deep dive into how AI is already used by one terrible company
https://futurism.com/advon-ai-content

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 24 June 2024 15:37 (two days ago) link

there have got to be so many AdVons out there

z_tbd, Monday, 24 June 2024 15:44 (two days ago) link

We'll see but its true. This stuff needs a return.

A colleague of mine works in digital training and he mentioned 'Oh we're dropping AI voices'

When I asked why:

'Their prices keep going up, they want so much money for so few voices, they must be getting desperate. We can hire an actor for the same price' pic.twitter.com/p3CjBMqBWT

— Chris Sharpes (@chrissharpesVO) June 25, 2024

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 11:36 (two hours ago) link

Obv its also keeping wages down too

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 11:37 (two hours ago) link


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