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BREAKING: The Lancet has just published this article "conservatively" estimating that the death toll in the Gaza genocide could be 186,000 people or more. That's 8% of the population, obliterated. These are apocalyptic figures.https://t.co/HaRTAvTvVI

— Jason Hickel (@jasonhickel) July 7, 2024

katy perry (prison service) (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 July 2024 20:29 (two months ago) link

For someone who has been documenting every day, I absolutely can confirm the deaths are way higher than being reported . Whole cities have been wiped out, most buildings and houses were bombed, most with residents inside. Every day when I walk into the schools for the displaced,… pic.twitter.com/NYHKlHpiHh

— حسام شبات (@HossamShabat) July 8, 2024

xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 July 2024 20:37 (two months ago) link

incredibly grim:

https://www.972mag.com/israeli-soldiers-gaza-firing-regulations/

But these executions, which did not appear to have any security rationale, are consistent with the testimonies of six Israeli soldiers who spoke to +972 Magazine and Local Call following their release from active duty in Gaza in recent months. Corroborating the testimonies of Palestinian eyewitnesses and doctors throughout the war, the soldiers described being authorized to open fire on Palestinians virtually at will, including civilians.

The six sources — all except one of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity — recounted how Israeli soldiers routinely executed Palestinian civilians simply because they entered an area that the military defined as a “no-go zone.” The testimonies paint a picture of a landscape littered with civilian corpses, which are left to rot or be eaten by stray animals; the army only hides them from view ahead of the arrival of international aid convoys, so that “images of people in advanced stages of decay don’t come out.” Two of the soldiers also testified to a systematic policy of setting Palestinian homes on fire after occupying them.

rob, Wednesday, 10 July 2024 20:43 (two months ago) link

reading that alongside Israel ordering all 250,000 residents of Gaza City to evacuate again:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy08nl4plvzo

rob, Wednesday, 10 July 2024 20:48 (two months ago) link

and this: https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/10/politics/biden-administration-allows-bomb-shipment-israel/index.html

US govt lackeys splitting hairs over the weight of bombs and citing Rafah as if it hasn't been completely destroyed already. I might be mildly less enraged if the Biden admin policy had some kind of discernible point to it

rob, Wednesday, 10 July 2024 20:53 (two months ago) link

awful pictures, total scorched earth policy it seems

https://www.reuters.com/pictures/pictures-ruins-gaza-2024-07-10/

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 10 July 2024 21:09 (two months ago) link

don't know if it's already been shared here somewhere, but this article about a village in Israel built for Jews and Arabs to co-exist was really interesting:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/06/17/wahat-al-salam-neve-shalom-israel-gaza-october-7th

symsymsym, Thursday, 11 July 2024 23:01 (two months ago) link

This excerpt is very much not reflective of the full article, but it is truly cursed:

Amid the fear and the despair of the last few months, a handful of Israelis have stepped forward to articulate a message of hope for the land. “Hope becomes a topic of interest in dark times,” Oded Adomi Leshem, a political psychologist at Hebrew University, told me. On October 13th, Oxford University Press published his book, titled “Hope Amidst Conflict,” in which Leshem proposes a “bi-dimensional” model of hope, where one dimension is “wish” (how much someone wants peace) and the other dimension is “expectation” (how likely someone thinks peace is). Leshem sees an opportunity in the current moment to “focus on the wish dimension” and offer Israelis a vision of peace that is “concrete, simple.” He plans to assemble a sort of focus group of a thousand people, and then use artificial intelligence to synthesize ideas of what peace in Israel/Palestine could feel, sound, and smell like.

symsymsym, Thursday, 11 July 2024 23:05 (two months ago) link

That's pure centre left pol.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 July 2024 12:20 (two months ago) link

Anyway, just another atrocity today with another stupid excuse as 'justification'.

Its a lie, but even so...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 13 July 2024 12:22 (two months ago) link

46,000+ Israeli businesses have closed since 7 October. Karma is a bitch

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/25882

beamish13, Saturday, 13 July 2024 15:51 (two months ago) link

BREAKING:

Israel is bombing Syria’s Damascus in the middle of the night.

Not content with committing massacres in Gaza, and dropping white phosphorus bombs on villages in South Lebanon, murderous Israel is now targeting residential areas in Syria too. pic.twitter.com/8ojEmP8Xxl

— sarah (@sahouraxo) July 13, 2024

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 July 2024 12:03 (two months ago) link

Anyway, just another atrocity today with another stupid excuse as 'justification'.

Its a lie, but even so...

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, July 13, 2024 8:22 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

another round 24 hours later. unclear if they're even bothering to claim it was to get Deif (perhaps he can teleport?) or if 17 dead, 50 wounded is below their threshold for an official explanation, but the Guardian is going to re-up their Deif resume anyway: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/14/palestinians-killed-latest-attack-on-gaza-city-say-officials

rob, Sunday, 14 July 2024 13:53 (two months ago) link

well since the first attack the world has come to a consensus that political violence is never acceptable

symsymsym, Sunday, 14 July 2024 16:32 (two months ago) link

true I did just read this in the nyt:

Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, who earlier this year called for citizens to use physical force against peaceful pro-Palestinian protesters, condemned political violence in an appearance on CBS, saying that Americans should settle “differences through political debates and through elections. We don’t settle them through violence.”

rob, Sunday, 14 July 2024 16:44 (two months ago) link

Not too hard to suss out , honestly. Violence is when capital and its lackeys are targeted. When capitalism enacts its inherent violence on normal people, then it is perfectly acceptable

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 14 July 2024 17:32 (two months ago) link

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/15/israel-strikes-five-schools-in-week-of

“Israeli forces have attacked five separate schools in Gaza in just eight days, killing dozens of people sheltering in them, according to Palestinian officials, medics and rescuers.”

rob, Tuesday, 16 July 2024 00:55 (two months ago) link

the bbc headline doesn’t make it clear but their reporting does: a disabled man was mauled for several minutes at least by an idf attack dog, forcibly separated from his family by soldiers, and left by those soldiers to die of his wounds. not a lonely death, but murder https://t.co/ZS4XvEPvEv

— michael wave (@SzMarsupial) July 16, 2024

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 17 July 2024 06:52 (two months ago) link

"Israel has reduced by 94 percent the amount of water available in Gaza." https://t.co/SHjQYyldfv

— Eman Abdelhadi (@emanabdelhadi) July 18, 2024

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 18 July 2024 21:37 (two months ago) link

im only reacting to headlines but this looks like a fairly comprehensive ruling by ICJ (with Sebutinde dissent)

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-19/ty-article-live/icj-to-rule-on-legality-of-israels-occupation-of-west-bank-east-jerusalem/00000190-cade-dfb6-afbe-effe53000000#627098860

plax (ico), Friday, 19 July 2024 14:27 (two months ago) link

Haaretz 2 minutes ago
Netanyahu lashes out at ICJ 'lies,' says the Jewish people 'do not occupy their own land'

StanM, Friday, 19 July 2024 14:50 (two months ago) link

checkmate

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 July 2024 15:12 (two months ago) link

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1814311210936156332.html

xyzzzz__, Friday, 19 July 2024 16:34 (two months ago) link

An airstrike targeted the port of Al Hudaydah, Yemen, causing a massive fire. pic.twitter.com/5RmAXmKBMb

— War Watch (@WarWatchs) July 20, 2024

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 20 July 2024 15:55 (two months ago) link

m(asha) gessen’s final essay for the new yorker has not exactly received a warm welcome on twitter

brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 July 2024 02:47 (two months ago) link

why is it their final essay?

symsymsym, Sunday, 21 July 2024 06:00 (two months ago) link

essay seemed pretty fair-minded to me, maybe I'm missing something. I didn't read about the Hebrew U prof getting thrown in jail, horrifying shit

symsymsym, Sunday, 21 July 2024 06:09 (two months ago) link

xpost The opinion colums are going to the New York Times, I believe? https://www.nytco.com/press/masha-gessen-joins-the-times-as-an-opinion-columnist/

StanM, Sunday, 21 July 2024 06:10 (two months ago) link

afaic going to the Times has ruined any credibility that Gessen once had, but since I don’t have twitter, what is the issue?

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 July 2024 11:28 (two months ago) link

To utilise the very real, well-documented, forensically proven systematically planned and executed genocidal rape of Bosniak women during the Bosnian Genocide in an attempt to equalise it with the October 7th attack is remarkably disgusting. 50,000 Bosnian women were raped. https://t.co/1siqc7ToHU

— Arnesa Buljušmić-Kustura (@Rrrrnessa) July 21, 2024

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2024 16:29 (two months ago) link

Haven't read it but that seems to be it

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2024 16:30 (two months ago) link

That tweet is an excruciatingly dumb take on that article.

Jersey Devil Vance (President Keyes), Sunday, 21 July 2024 16:50 (two months ago) link

Yeah, it didn’t seem like that was what Gessen was doing at all.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 July 2024 17:19 (two months ago) link

agreed. I frankly just do not know enough about the bosnian genocide to have an opinion about some of the substantive criticisms in that thread. but this tweet in particular is emblematic of much of the blowback I’ve seen, and one of the reasons I feel so much despair when looking for intelligent discussion about thorny topics apart from like, literary journals months after the fact. just an baldly dishonest conclusion to draw

Masha Gessen is simply utilising the very real pain of Bosniaks and the very real suffering that Bosniak women occured throughout the genocide in order to justify the ongoing genocide of Palestinians. You will NOT use our pain, our suffering, our genocide to justify another.

— Arnesa Buljušmić-Kustura (@Rrrrnessa) July 21, 2024

brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 July 2024 17:52 (two months ago) link

the intentional misgendering in that thread is also a very nice touch

brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 July 2024 17:54 (two months ago) link

okay, later they seem to genuinely say they weren’t aware

brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 July 2024 17:56 (two months ago) link

Yeah don't think Arnesa (who seems p good on things generally though I don't follow) would intentionally misgender..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 July 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link

Arnesa is a Bosnian genocide survivor and academic herself and certainly knows a lot more than “k3vin k” and though I agree that is not what the article intended (or for me landed), her prickliness is entirely understandable given how little understood the scale of the atrocity is and how much it is denied to this day.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 July 2024 18:09 (two months ago) link

it’s ok, I don’t think she’ll see my post. as I alluded to, as someone who reads things to try to learn something, I find dishonesty a turn-off

brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 July 2024 18:19 (two months ago) link

but she’s intentionally misreading Gessen and in fact accusing them of promoting ideology that is simply not being promoted in that piece. her prickliness might be understandable, but she’s fucking wrong.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 July 2024 18:42 (two months ago) link

it’s ok, I don’t think she’ll see my post. as I alluded to, as someone who reads things to try to learn something, I find dishonesty a turn-off


Do you always police tweets by genocide survivors or is today a special occasion?

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 July 2024 18:50 (two months ago) link

but she’s intentionally misreading Gessen and in fact accusing them of promoting ideology that is simply not being promoted in that piece. her prickliness might be understandable, but she’s fucking wrong.


I think “intent” is a hugely subjective judgement from you and like most of yours, it’s useless.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 July 2024 18:52 (two months ago) link

People can just be wrong without applying intent to it, especially when dealing with a subject as emotive as the Bosnian genocide. I guess it’s easier to just call Arnesa a liar though, that’s surely a novel experience for her!

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 July 2024 19:00 (two months ago) link

you continue to be the worst fucking poster on this entire site, fuck off

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 July 2024 19:33 (two months ago) link

you were the one who was calling what was clearly an ethnic cleansing “not an ethnic cleansing” several months ago so why don’t you take your high horse and eat its shit

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 July 2024 19:34 (two months ago) link

Do you always police tweets by genocide survivors or is today a special occasion?

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, July 21, 2024 11:50 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I’m not aware of some immutable relationship between surviving genocide and dishonesty or bad faith reading. but I do have a sense of humor, and the irony of your appeal to epistemic deference to genocide survivors, in this thread of all places, has not escaped me

brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 July 2024 19:52 (two months ago) link

Me when I claim that ethnic cleansing isn’t ethnic cleansing

No idea but I’ve never felt the term genocide fit as well as ethnic cleansing. It reminds me very much of the Balkans.

Everything emerging is just increasingly horrific. Don’t even know what to say.

― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 19:35 (seven months ago) link


Me when I continue to do this

Afaict? Ethnic cleansing is done for land, with zero regard to those who live on it. There are millions of Palestinians; Israel cannot kill them all. It can however destroy housing and infrastructure on the Gaza Strip and make it unliveable.

Genocide is deliberate extermination of a group of people.

There’s a lot of overlap between the two terms: Bosnia arguably can fall into both categories. Rwanda was genocide. They’re both bad!
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 20:01 (seven months ago) link


Me when I continue to say loudly and clearly “THIS IS NOT AN ETHNIC CLEANSING”

I should clarify upthread for “Why distinguish” is that when eventually the bombardment stops, Gaza will be largely uninhabitable. The majority of Palestinians will still be alive, but they won’t have a home to return to. That’s the goal of ethnic cleansing and why I specifically distinguished. Not to minimise anything that’s happening.

― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 23:34 (seven months ago) link


K3vink, I suspect bad faith reading might in fact be your area of expertise.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 21 July 2024 20:13 (two months ago) link

I hope she won't be too burdened by what will be.

StanM, Sunday, 21 July 2024 20:15 (two months ago) link

yes, wrong thread. dammit.

StanM, Sunday, 21 July 2024 20:15 (two months ago) link


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