has ilx gotten FUCKING CREEPY lately? (was originally "has ilx become more hostile to women?")

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not necessarily to the women posters (although the pretty much complete lack of them on ilm should be indictment enough, i guess) but certainly the nebulous "Women" assignation when it comes to what gets talked about on threads.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm honestly not sure, myself. compared to 90% of other internet boards, hell no. but certain threads around here make me want to scream/slash/vomit. and more often lately.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I never noticed any lack of women posters, I guess because the ones that ARE here are not exactly window dressing, they make themselves known.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Examples? (This isn't "fuck off, prove it," it's "not that I've noticed, but if you point to something I might go 'ohhh yeah.'")

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

but certain threads
around here make me want to scream/slash/vomit. and more often lately

like¿
personally i heart women - esp. our lovely ilxors.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM has less female posters than ILX, which is why I think someone recently assumed I was male (because I was posting on ILM).

Yes, there is a frat boy factor here that I, as a female, do my best to ignore, because there simply is no changing it. Many threads view women as sex objects, the whole lezzing up thing, as if women's purpose is for giving zombie pineapple blow jobs, lots of misogyny and generalizing about "crazy" woman and girlfriends, etc etc, people of either sex who have "bitch" in their handle etc blah blah.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com/users.php?board=2

just about says it all really. as compared with ile's which is still dominated by the guys but at least has a SINGLE WOMAN in the top 50.

tep, just take a look at any ilm thread about a female artist in the last six months.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

oops i meant "ILM has less female posters than ILE"

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 August 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ohhh. I haven't read ILM except glancing at the Cat Power thread, for ILE context, in months. ... now I'm even less likely to.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it's a summer thing...

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think so. There's been an influx of new people (on ilm at least) that have changed the way things get discussed.

Larcole (Nicole), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I find the 'frat boy' comment peculiar.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I've been posting a lot less myself...I think whatever problem ILX has right now isn't necessarily on a gender-based level (I don't see Rod Stewart getting treated with more respect and less objectification than Missy Elliott, ya know). It's probably more of a summer thing.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: David Hasselhoff vs. Tatu

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hasn't it always been like this though? I guess I am used to more femalecentric boards.

rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly haven't noticed any recent increase in hostility beyond the low simmer that's been present for quite a while (since Calum's initial rash of idiotic threads I guess). I mean, I'd prefer not to have read Chris V's idiotic "shave that shit" or whatever the hell he says on Cat Power threads, but what are you going to do? That's his schtik I guess.

I was more digusted by the patronizing attitude toward the 14 year old girl.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't take offense at the lez-up thing because it's a funny about a film cliche that just enetered the lexicon, also see 'the sympathetic black guy is dead meat in the first reel'; sometimes a joke is just a joke!

I'm also the first person to point out when heteroboys are being homosocial (see Barbara Kruger's 'you construct elaborate rituals to allow yourselves to touch the skin of other men'). I do think this on occasion when guys start nerding/leching out on ILM but not much here...

suzy (suzy), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Ditto to what Mr. Diamond said. I got beat to it. Another thing is, I personally wouldnt expect a lot of females frequenting an internet board/forum which is mostly populated by music crits and obsessive geeks.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Frat boy=assuming that comments about women are no big deal (after all we are just here to be looked at, oh please discuss if you can see our bras); un-reflective use and depiction of women as sex objects (the male fascination with lezzing up); refusal or inability to stand in the woman's place and see how viewing those comments might feel demeaning; inability to acknowledge that BITCH is an offensive word, and you are MEN, you did not "reclaim it"; trivializing of women's concerns (like mine. i will be told 'prove it' and 'you are too sensitive' and 'you have no sense of humor, just enjoy it' and 'you asked for it', just like a rape victim on trial.); but as I said I ignore this because I know it will not be changed nor even comprehended by men and some women alike (eg who cares?).

So please give me the respect of hearing this opinion, because the thread asked for it, and leave it there, as do I.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

assuming ILX is more hostile to women, what does one do about it? I always kinda get creeped out by "so-and-so is HOTTT" threads but unless they degenerate into something that's more likely to be offensive to the population as a whole, there's not much I can say. And even then all I could really say is "cut it out" or something, hardly effective.

hstencil, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, some of my best female friends are obsessively geeky music crits.
Well, one of them.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not sure why the HOTT stuff is offensive except in its usual boringness.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

guyish (which most nerdish things tend to be seen as) is not the same thing as "hostile to women". and the patronizing was probably based more on the fact that the girl was 14 years old and a rather self-certain one rather than that she was a girl. Alex would scream at a 4-year-old for diggin' Raffi. STOP HONORING BABY BELUGA!

does David Hasselhoff not prance around in his speedo here? Do Geir and Jim DeRo get ripped on for their physical qualities?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I've actually noticed that there's a bunch of people on ILX whose gender I've no clue about and for the most part hasn't ever bothered me.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Case in point: why am I the only female posting on this thread?

If the question is "Is ILX more hostile to women", should the WOMEN be posting here?

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry suzy 1 of 2

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always assumed that when a thread about sexism devolves to a bunch of guys fretting about it, it's a sign that women would rather guys didn't blabber about it so much and just keep an eye out on their own actions.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

and rosemary and nicole, orbit.

this is further proof.

RJG (RJG), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

but wouldn't you fell better for saying something, even if it didn't fix the problem?

Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

amateurist, I'm not sure if I could totally explain why I find "so-and-so is HOTTT" creepy (which I guess is a form of offensiveness). A lot of it has to do with my general disdain for hearing/reading x guy talk/post it about y woman, as if y woman has no say in the matter, i.e. is an object. It's certainly mostly harmless, but I find it still to be kind of weird, esp. when it's practiced towards celebrities and stuff.

hstencil, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe women aren't as concerned as they deal with it everyday in the real world and us oversensitive liberal males (the kind Anne Coulter spits on) are just afraid we may have offended in our simpering, Saddam-loving, tax-raising fashion.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

another woman to thread. and that first comment was for hstencil.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

well I think us "men" speculating on whether women are or aren't concerned about it is pretty fucking dud. Why do we feel the need to speak for them?

hstencil, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Emily, yeah, I do think that sometimes it's better to say something, even if it doesn't fix anything. Sometimes, though, I feel it's better to just shut up and let whomever look like an ass. It really depends on the situation.

hstencil, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

A lot of it has to do with my
general disdain for hearing/reading x guy talk/post it about y woman, as if y woman has no say in the matter, i.e. is an object.

I think this pertains to a larger issue than just men's attitudes to women, though women do bear the brunt of it. But there's a general trend to treat EVERYONE in entertainment/pop culture as product and it's partly their own creation for so aggressively marketing themselves.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: heat vs. light

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i find it ironic that there are no X is so SMARTT! threads about female celebs. wait, not ironic, completely predictable.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess I'm thinking about the casual comment that no girls come to FAPs too much but that has REALLY bugged me. There's not been as many girls as boys, but usually there's a couple of us. This seems to highlight an attitude towards women which sees them as invisible unless they are "and then they get het up" potential which is pretty pathetic. ALthough I'll probably be in the pub before the Gossip tomorrow I now feel a bit strange about turning up now I know this "invisible woman" myth seems to exist.

'and then they lez up' remains funny (although my girlfriend may not feel the same haha).

Sarah (starry), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

note: these statements may be less true abt ILM since I'm there less often, but I think we're all (male and female) pretty good about calling each other out on shit. Also, the regulars know each other well enough to be able to be jokey about things that might be offensive out of context. Ignoring something offensive on ILX is seen as not feeding the trolls, whereas ignoring something offensive IRL is seen as passive acceptance.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

but Horace that implies that the consumer of the product has no complicity in it, either. Beyond some sort of quasi-Marxist critique of pop culture, I get bummed out it because I usually find people I actually know to be far more interesting/entertaining/HOTTT/smart/sexy/whatever than whomever's on "Entertainment Tonight," and it seems strange to me that people can't find that in their own lives.

hstencil, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

hstencil otm about most of it being a vague "creeped out" feeling with nothing particularly heinous to latch onto. the vibe has changed, more than anything.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i find it ironic that there are no X is so SMARTT! threads about female celebs. wait, not ironic, completely predictable.

does anyone do this for male celebs?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I see both your and Horace's points, hstencil. Celebrity-lusting for me is just a little spice of fantasy world to my normal life, and I think that's healthy. Obsession obv is not.

Also in ILE especially we have a relatively high percentage of women who are sex-positive feminists who aren't afraid to admire and even objectify women! I really like hearing about people enjoying their sexuality, talking about what turns them on, etc. Obv if R. Kelly started posting, we'd call him on it though.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm.. In point of fact the biggest reason that keeps me from posting much on ILE (and *especially* ILM, ILM seems to be the big problem!) - aside from being very busy - has nothing to do with hostility to women. I didn't think either board was hostile and if some folks say quasi-misogynist things, I could care less - and as for trolls like Calz, I find such behavior utterly useless and pathetic, and no more.

What annoys me is two or three guys getting into a one-line after one-line bitchfest, replete with heavily sarcastic 'shockah' remarks, insults, and intentional gross misreadings of previous posts. That's not a hostile environment, it's a childish and stupid one. And if people who act that way can't restrain themselves from getting in one more cheap shot at a guy they don't even know, because they just can't STAND not getting the last word, why talk to them?

daria g (daria g), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It appears to have changed a bit to me but I'm mostly reading after work time now where the people I'm used to reading and talking with aren't posting so it's a different crowd, I don't know if it's just a different way of talking that culturally mixes up in the translation though.

Sarah (starry), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

oh come on, nick.

and i think the idea that ilx (and ilm in particular, and i'm certainly guilty of perpetuating it in certain instances) has no frathouse/lockeroom vibe is ridiculous.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it's partly their own creation
the other part, of course, is the consumer. I should have been more clear.

And all you ever see people do on Entertainment Tonight is go to movies. Sure, there's flashing lights and limosines, but, like, I know lotsa people who go to movies.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I guess when someone's only sexual outlet is them obsessing over a person as object, that's when it breaks into "creepy" for me.

hstencil, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, I put up a thread about Scrawl recently, noting Marcy Mays is one of the best lyricists of all time. I've done the same for the Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Kelly Osbourne too (along with the "oh my god they're so hot" threads, but usually their hotness is derived from their smarts, etc.). I feel all female-friendly now.

I don't see the threads about guys that are particularly more inspired than the ones about women. People might not note that neil young is sexy or not, but what they do say is usually along the lines of "he's cool."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 29 August 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah and those threads are creepy, Anthony. Just saying "but so-and-so is a good lyricist too" doesn't make it any less so.

hstencil, Friday, 29 August 2003 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah echoing Jess I was going to say that anyone who thinks their chats disappear into the ether when they close the window are sorely mistaken. . .

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is harshing my buzz. Anyone who posts anything more to it is a stinkpoo. STARTING NOW!!

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

*sticks tongue out at N*

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

am off to start a "here's where we're all nice to each other" thread...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

AOL operates under the assumption - to legally cover its ass - that it doesn't release these transcripts to anyone and they're only for "it's own purposes" much in the same way they're not to give out your credit card info. but having worked for them, i know none of these things are particularly well protected.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe Orbit was talking about me as the anonymous poster, as my given Christian name is actually Strongo Hulkington. A fine Scottish name, but unfortunately already taken here, so I had to go with this ridiculous pseudonym. My apologies.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

coldplay are awful

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't make personal attacks, I talk about issues.
--Orbit
-------------------------------------------------------------

Your answers are so defensive and insecure.
I wouldn't post something without some kind of context, and when I have, I have given an explanation right away.

You seem to be a generally hostile person, given your email address of don'temailmebitch@hotmail.com
I'm still trying to decide if you're a troll.


-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...) (webmail), August 3rd, 2003 4:32 PM.

Keenan you are a moron.
That is not true.
Look at photos of her.
-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...) (webmail), August 15th, 2003 12:29 AM.

Yeah you pathetic FUCK i *am* a hippie and YOU are a moron, and I could write a contract that would make your dick shrivel, make a dinner that makes your mouth water, and jump hoops around all the lame supermodels you jack off to.
-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...) (webmail), August 15th, 2003 12:34 AM

Ally go to hell. Stay there.
-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...) (webmail), August 15th, 2003 5:13 PM

Regarding saving IM conversations: there's a setting in Messenger (Tools-->Options--->Messages) that makes it so ALL conversations are AUTOMATICALLY saved to your hard drive.

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

If only Bob Dorough were making another 'found lyrics' album...

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

you know that movie PCU where the radical feminists and the frat boys were fighting the whole time? and somehow David Spade was worked into the story? remember at the end when George Clinton and the P-Funk ALL Stars came and played the campus and everyone stopped protesting and became happy. that was a good movie.

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops you are a jerk for taking that out of context. I did say upthread that I WILL defend myself and those were reactions to personal insults. Why not post the offending insult. This is just bullshit.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

No they weren't. The first one was directed at me after I said something like "well i guess you're just better than me.", just joking around. (though I can see how you could take it otherwise, in any case you'd have to stretch the meaning of 'personal insult' pretty far)
Feel free to paste whatever you perceived as the preceding personal insults.

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, how DID a burnout frat house suddenly get a killer light & sound system?

did george clinton bring his own?

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not that obessive compulsive.
this thread is not worth my time.
YOU go back and make it right, since you were the one that took it out of context you put it back in. I don't have time for this bullshit.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish doomie was here

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

and trife and blount.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish george clinton was here

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I'll do it for you since those two threads are saved in my browsing history:

Here's what Kenan said before you called him a moron:

That's a myth. Like many women, her weight fluctuated. She usually hovered around a size 7 or 8. On her worst day, she was a 14.
-- Kenan Hebert

Then he responed with:

I am not a moron, you daft fucking hippy.

-- Kenan Hebert (

Ally said this:

For someone so smug about how stupid and inconsequential every ILX discussion is, you need to learn reading comprehension a bit better. I'm sorry, I'm a little goddamned testy today.

Not really an insult, just a criticism. An apt one IMO on that particular thread.

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

a pretty personal insult if you ask me and not the whole thread of repeated ones in succession

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

AND WILL YOU PLEASE OPEN YOU EARS THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT ME

IT IS ABOUT ME RESPONDING TO THE THREAD TITLE

BEING ASKED FOR EXAMPLES

GIVING SOME

AND AGREEING TO DISAGREE WITH ALL OF YOU

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, we're rollin' wit' you
Jesus, we're rollin' wit' you
Jesus, we're rollin' wit' you
Jesus, we're rollin' wit' you

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

how is what Ally said to you any different than what you said to me?

(xp)

Hey man, I just, like, you know, point out hypocrisy when I see it. Silence is part of the problem. You might even call me a Radical Bullshit Pointer-Outer.

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

but you're not the only one...

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Ally said I was speaking for someone else. I was not, am not.
This is different from me saying this thread is NOT about me.
Here is the sequence of events:
I respond to thread title.
I am challenged for proof
(although since I am giving my opinion it should be accepted as my opinion, If I feel ILE is hostile to women, then that is how I feel).
I give examples of things that *I* find creepy.
I do not flame anyone.
People make unwarranted assumptions about what I say.
I get flamed.
I patiently explain and clarify what I mean.
I finally say hey, let's agree to disagree--these are the things I find hostile to women.
and certain ILE people I guess just can't accept that someone has a different opinion from them.

So now I will repeat.
I answered thread.
People asked for examples
I gave them
I agreed to disagree

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Has the "tr0ll" question been answered yet?

*pitches log on fire*

ModJ, Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

dude! let's make s'mores!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I ask you again: How is what Ally said to you while discussing Monroe any different than what you said ('Your answers are so defensive and insecure...') to me? Why is one a personal insult and not the other?

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

if you have a problem on that thread, keep it on that thread
this is not the place

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

good answer

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Tough to give examples when you're unable to bring in outside sources.

ModJ, Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

can i just shoot this thread in the head right now and put it out of it's misery?

Carey (Carey), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

So long as we can eat it.

ModJ, Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yes please (to both)

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont think ilx is necessarily any creepier now than before, i think it is less close knit than before, which is an obvious result of its duration and success, so there is perhaps less interplay than before, in that people were able to read each others personalities better, so maybe some things were said that were innocuous because of familiarity, that is less the case now

however, i have noticed on some thread that there is perhaps more bad temperedness in general, and maybe less give and take, there is perhaps a combatative tone that may or may not be offputting to people, female or otherwise.

if people are being intimidated off, then i think the only people really qualified to answer are those that have disappeared, but, of course they are gone, and we can only get the opinions of those that stay and necessarily have to speak for them

gareth (gareth), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

done and done. now go make me chicken pot pie, bitch.

Carey (Carey), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

okay.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i still want s'mores!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Take back the night! Reclaim this thread from the harbringer of radical doom.

Carey (Carey), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Kingfish=Busta Rhymes?

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll make you some s'mores. And then we can listen to Ruth Brown.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

guess what image i'm gunna post here

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

this one?

http://personalpages.tds.net/~interlocutor/hooray.jpg

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

close enough!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

AND....

http://www.princesf.com/photos/george-clinton.jpg

THE END

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

this one?

-- oops (don'temailmebitc...), August 31st, 2003.

Holy crap. That looks like a whacked out Chris Martin.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

GODDAMMIT FRANCIS, you ruined a perfect ending!

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

do it again chaki! this time, with feeling.

oops (Oops), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Francis I will see you in Hell.

ModJ, Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

and somebody get ready to lock it--right quick.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

and now...
http://webmoment.com/funk-26.jpg
http://www.kalilight.com/nsites/images/bun2.gif THE END http://www.kalilight.com/nsites/images/bun1.gif

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 30 August 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)


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