Or am I just talking shit again?
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm intrigued by the concept of a constructive misanthrope. What does that mean?
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)
x-post
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)
Granted, these are very skewed datapoints, but I see no sense in believing the best of people. But for some reason, I don't think that the inherent wrongness of humanity is an excuse to be rude to people. It's a weird philosophy, the more I think about it.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)
But I'm not sure what the philosophy behind people who fly into a blind rage when the waiter forgets to bring that fork they asked for. Except of course that that's a way to make sure things get done your way, right away. But who cares if they get done your way? Most of the time, things only start getting interesting when things go wrong.
Anyway I'm not sure whether you'd qualify any of that as misanthropy (I usually do think of myself as a misanthrope).
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)
Word.
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 16 December 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― HRH Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)
If I could meet a magical fairy godmother who could grant me one wish, it'd be that, cause you can't buy it at ASDA.
(Well, that and to be a size 10 again...)
― HRH Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)
Folks, while I do appreciate the sentiment and thank you for it, I would like to reiterate that I'm not looking for compliments/validation/etc. I think there are some layers to the entire idea of hating people; I don't think it's hypocritical or even far-fetched to intensely dislike "people" but like individuals. I think there's a world of difference between being "nice" and being "polite". I think that you can dislike others and still have a moral code that offers respect before disdain. What I'm really interested in is how these ideas/values conflict with each other and also what other people mean when they use the word "misanthrope".
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)
Sodding Asda - although Safeways <<< Asda. HOW MUCH DO I HATE THAT SUPERMARKET I will tell you LOTS.
― Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)
I think in general that misanthropy is such a negative way to go about things and suggests a lack of appreciation for the life which we have been given. Then again, I am a generally happy, lovey-dovey person/hippie. I used to be extremely disgruntled with society in general, but then one day I decided to stop wasting my time and energy on all that and just enjoy my own life and do what makes me happy.
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― HRH Queen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)
That said, why get upset about the validation/complements at all, Dan? What's so wrong about people saying nice things when they mean them? Does it somehow seem to lessen the integrity of the original poster? I'm serious about this. I'm tired of people saying, "I'm not looking for sympathy," or "I'm not fishing for complements," as if any positive comment is automatically deemed fake due solely to its form (a post on an internet board).
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)
The general malaise and fury that rises in me when reading the newspaper or watching TV or posting to ILX I wonuldn't categorize as misanthropy, because I'm responding to an abstract, not a person. I hate actions that certain people take, but I don't really hate people as much as it might seem.
The fact that I have not actually gotten into a physical brawl with anybody other than my close friends or family since 8th grade is a pretty good indication of this, I think. I often wonder if sometimes my attempts to understand and sympathize with the people I encounter IRL is just a behavior I picked up to keep me out of prison.
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
also as per misanthropy making you happy: it seems to me that if you were generally disdainful of people & had no expectations for them, as you were impressed/surprised pleasantly by more and more on an individual basis it would be nearly impossible to maintain that level of general disgust. "i hate people but i just know SO MANY nice ones!!" seems a bit extraordinarily hypocritical perhaps.
― j c (j c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)
I'm not sure which is worse-qua-better, but I think that's sort of where the line is. Are people inevitably and irredeemably flawed? Or what?
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)
also i think statements like "i hate people because they are selfish, mean, etc" are misanthropic to an extent but they still focus on perceived negative qualities rather than any general dislike for people. it amounts to "i hate selfishness, meanness, etc"--what about people who disdain the very idea of relationships or community?
x-post: what o. nate said
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)
This is the most important responsibility of being a human in modern society and it's a bit tough on some people apparently, including me. I tend to tolerate most people's petty transgressions as individual lapses, because, well, I don't know them and they don't know me, golden rule, all that.
(offtopic but of interest to me and something I have been mulling: Lately though I have been less forgiving of certain folks, I think because my instincts to be protective and chivalrous, which lay dormant for quite a long time, have been recently taken out of the closet and given a shot of brass polish. I am hating certain people and their actions a lot more than I necessarily would have 6 months ago.)
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― Allyzay, Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)
Are people inherently lazy, stupid, and selfish? I'm not sure what is meant by "inherently" in that sentence. I guess I would interpret "inherently" as being equivalent to "biologically wired to act a certain way". If you accept evolutionary biology, then it seems reasonable to expect that humans are inherently selfish. There's no evolutionary rationale that I can think of for laziness or stupidity though. But naturally humans have the same physical constraints as any animal: ie., a limited degree of perception, memory, awareness, logical ability as well as a tendency to conserve one's energy. So you could equate this with an inherent disposition towards stupidity and laziness.
(xpost)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)
the other still makes me mad even though it wz in 1976: a grown-up (a teacher) telling a straight lie to ensure i missed a particular project
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)
you are pretty argumentative deeznuts
― max, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 01:00 (seventeen years ago)
most of the time when people react to shit you see as minor it has jack-all to do w/ the action & a lot to do w/ shit thats going on with them elsewhere - this doesnt excuse getting pissed over something minor
deeznuts, the point is that what may seem minor to me may be significantly more important to someone else based on the tornado of life that surrounds them at any given moment: that thing I think is minor is possibly not minor at all, and that's not my call to make. It's theirs.
max seems to be taking some kind of never intrude ever tack which is bs
-- deeznuts, Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:59 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
I should intrude on someone else and say "ayo your priorities are fucked, shit is stupid!" ? Why would I put myself into a confrontation like that which is sure to only get uglier from the point of my initiation?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 01:28 (seventeen years ago)
I factor a certain degree of horrifying terrible behavior into my definition of "humanity," so it's hard for me to hate humanity for horrifying terrible behavior.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 01:29 (seventeen years ago)
I am some kind of low-ambition failure and everyone else is running around having fancy weddings while I eat cereal
lol all over the place there.
― Z S, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 03:35 (seventeen years ago)
It was more how proud she was that she was declaring herself anti-marriage and that she had figured out diamonds are unethical etc etc. And even how proud she was that she was so aggrieved by this whole thing and she was being such a martyr. If you want to discuss viewpoints on marriage with your cousin, do that, rather than moan repeatedly to strangers about how retarded she is for even asking you to be bridesmaid. She did actually say the bride + groom were really f-ing stupid for thinking she was the kind of person to do it.... er, which she then chose to agree to.
― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:03 (seventeen years ago)
She sounds tiresome, but I'll bet the bride is even more so.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:18 (seventeen years ago)
Or at least to someone who doesn't share her diamond be-ringed, wedding-dressed perspective. If you like that kind of thing, you probably think the bride is lovely and "correct" and her cranky cousin is a terrible human being.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:20 (seventeen years ago)
you're really writing off anyone who has a conventional-sounding wedding?
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:26 (seventeen years ago)
I think the point of Curb Your Enthusiasm is that LD lets things you think but aren't vicious enough to express aloud.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:28 (seventeen years ago)
lets OUT
Hmm. Let's just say I'm reserving the cousin's right to be cranky about it, shall we? Although I respect whatshisface's judgement of her tone, she sounds like her own piece of work. Anyway, the point is that misanthropy: an equal opportunity activity.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:29 (seventeen years ago)
Besides, who makes people go to New Zealand? I'd love to visit the Bats, too, but I hope the happy couple IS paying for it since that's like $1500 in airfare!
― Laurel, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:42 (seventeen years ago)
You guys, this is fun.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 13:47 (seventeen years ago)
Misanthropy is great fun!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 14:00 (seventeen years ago)
Scavengers and sycophants and flatterers and fools Pharisees and parasites and hypocrites and ghouls Calculating swindlers, prevaricating frauds Perpetrating evil as they roam the earth in hordes Feeding on their fellow men Reaping rich rewards Contaminating everything they see Corrupting honest me like me Humbug! Poppycock! Balderdash! Bah!
I hate people! I hate people! People are despicable creatures Loathesome inexplicable creatures Good-for-nothing kickable creatures I hate people! I abhor them! When I see the indolent classes Sitting on their indolent asses Gulping ale from indolent glasses
I hate people! I detest them! I deplore them! Fools who have no money spend it Get in debt then try to end it Beg me on their knees befriend them Knowing I have cash to lend them Soft-hearted me! Hard-working me! Clean-living, thrifty and kind as can be! Situations like this are of interest to me
I hate people! I loathe people! I despise and abominate people! Life is full of cretinous wretches Earning what their sweatiness fetches Empty minds whose pettiness stretches Further than I can see Little wonder I hate people And I don't care if they hate me!
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 14:06 (seventeen years ago)
I knew there was a reason I liked you, Bill.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 14:15 (seventeen years ago)
i'd rather get annoyed and rage at little things and take her handy for the bigger things. everyday rage is a nice way to let off steam.
(i never usually let out this rage at people, mind- mainly i just shout at them from the silence of the car interior, with the windows up)
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)
the internet saves lives.
― blueski, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 14:56 (seventeen years ago)
My friend and I were chillin in the city park the other day and this elderly lady in a motorized wheelchair rolls up, with her cute little dog perched on the footrest, enjoying the ride, and the lady asks us how we're doing on this fine day. My friend says "Not worth a MOTHER FUCK." She rolls off horrified. It was more a prank than genuine misanthropy (or WAS it?), but we lolled.
― wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 16:41 (seventeen years ago)
doesn't seem like either, it's just common or garden bad form. retelling your asshole anecdotes on the internet doesn't make you any less contemptible
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 16:50 (seventeen years ago)
i kind of hope your 'misanthropy', if that's the term you want to dignify that sort of behaviour with, is motivated by low self-esteem, cuz then you'd be right about that at least
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 16:51 (seventeen years ago)
wait, right about what?
― wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)
YOUR LOW SELF-ESTEEM IS JUSTIFIED
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 16:56 (seventeen years ago)
doesn't seem like either,
no, I'm pretty sure it was a prank??
retelling your asshole anecdotes on the internet doesn't make you any less contemptible
I was hoping it would?
Anyway I, personally, wouldn't have said it. My friend is usually well mannered and it was just the randomness that amused me. It was probably wasn;t worth recounting here, but it's only the internet.
― wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:00 (seventeen years ago)
nice to see lex sticking up for the aged
― goole, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:01 (seventeen years ago)
not gonna judge here but i don't get how being rude counts as a prank?
― blueski, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:11 (seventeen years ago)
best prank evar!
― skygreenleopard, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:30 (seventeen years ago)
did you get her purse, wanko?
― jeremy waters, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:35 (seventeen years ago)
http://beat.bodoglife.com/wp-content/uploads/ashton-kutcher-punkd.jpg
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 21:36 (seventeen years ago)
I find it interesting that Wanko's "prank" sounds so much like exactly the juvenile behavior ZS was talking about when he revived this thread.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
You swore at an elderly woman! It doesn't get any rofflier.
― Abbott, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 22:06 (seventeen years ago)
I'm no good at misanthropy...I just feel guilty. Like if I'm bitching about someone, I always think "what if they find out I said that? I'll feel awful".
The other night when Amy Winehouse was rushed to hospital, I feel a bit bad because I'd been doodling on her face in the paper on the same day. I feel a pang of regret.
Same goes for self-loathing, what's the point?
― jel --, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 16:36 (seventeen years ago)
^^ we should all aspire to jel-dom. I mean, he looks like Dr. Who and everything
― nabisco, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:36 (seventeen years ago)
P.S. Wanko your friend is a wuss and a total bush-league psychopath -- if he thinks it's so hilarious to do mean things to elderly disabled women who ask how you're doing, the least he could have done is punched her in the face and stolen her dog
P.P.S. The correct answer when elderly disabled women ask you how you're doing is "fine, thank you"
― nabisco, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)
unless youre in a car, in which case--yell away
― max, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)
If you are in a car you pass along the damned Grey Poupon and then go on your way
― nabisco, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:45 (seventeen years ago)
picture of wanko http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/03/27/arts/widmark450.jpg
― velko, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:47 (seventeen years ago)
she looks terrified, but you know she's really enjoying the prank. it's the roller coaster rider type terrified look.
― Granny Dainger, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:49 (seventeen years ago)
^^^ lol @ username
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:50 (seventeen years ago)
^^^ lol @ user
― nabisco, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:53 (seventeen years ago)
hey i just thought that "granny dainger" was quite an amusing username in the context of this conversation
whereas yr just some "everybody loves raymond" fan lookin to score cheap points
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:55 (seventeen years ago)
uh-oh, now it's on
― dell, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:56 (seventeen years ago)
itt: misanthropy
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 17:57 (seventeen years ago)
I was laughing at your joke, jerkstore
― nabisco, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 18:10 (seventeen years ago)
oops sorry
fwiw i now hate the internet and love nabisco
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:26 (seventeen years ago)
-- goole, Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 21:06 (seventeen years ago)
ive only seen the youtube edit "fight scenes from the equalizer" but i feel v sure that the movie "the equalizer" is the greatest movie ever made
can anyone confirm/deny this pls
― gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 December 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)
are you sure you don't mean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equalizer
― j., Saturday, 15 December 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)
i know its
well i assume its, tbh
a remake
― gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 December 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)
i had to find out whether there was a reggae musician named "the equalizer" and to my eternal relief there is
― errang (rushomancy), Saturday, 15 December 2018 22:06 (seven years ago)