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Because I really really love them

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.mbta.com/traveling_t/images/subway/linemaps/SPIDER-MAP.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

bloody hell, already off to a great start

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

none of these will probably work since they're all going to be so big
ihttp://www.njtransit.com/images/hb_final_1031.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.njtransit.com/images/NCSFIN_3.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.njtransit.com/images/rivfinishcolor0220.gif

I guess it's just going to be more for my own reference later on

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.njtransit.com/images/map_november2003.jpg

http://www.mbta.com/traveling_t/images/commuterrail/maps/cr_map.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/lirr/images/lirr.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/mnr/gifs/mnrmap.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.transitchicago.com/maps/maps/fwebmaptrain.gif

― chicago, now! (chicago, now!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

They make me kind of nervous, because I never know what I'm doing or where I'm going, so these maps are an impenetrable mystery that I have to solve in an unknown time limit.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.septa.org/slices/systemmap.jpg

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

aw fuck
I tried the less than three again and it ate my response

I was saying that I love chicago, but prefer the map with the blocks and everything like they have in the free map they hand out in stations.

Also, for some dumbass reason the NYMTA's website has the subway map in two pictures instead of as one. Guh.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the mysteries of subway maps are like, my life.

I usually learn my way around cities based entirely upon the subway system for the first few days.

I'm really good at finding my way around, though. I even mastered the UWS night-time replacements for local/express trains along CPW in new york. ABCD are my bitches!

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I love transit maps!
ihttp://www.stcum.qc.ca/English/metro/images/planmet2004.gif

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bart.gov/images/map500.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Too bad they only seem to come in large image size... oh well.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG montreal!

I used to have almost all of the maps I'm posting on my walls, but I lost them this summer and it makes me very sad. It took a lot of travel to collect everything I had, but that's just how it goes, I guess. Maybe someday I'll build my collection back up again.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the spectacularly complicate Glasgow Underground, known to some as the Clockwork Orange, because the trains are orange...

http://www.spt.co.uk/images/ug_map.jpg

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(I used to live at the Hillhead stop.)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of them are PDFs these days too. One thing I loathe about PDFs is the inability to open them within a window and display them as part of your content ... no, they have to take over everything!

also:

http://www.chouchousf.com/assets/metro-0.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.roberthill.com/realimages/map2.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://utopia.poly.edu/~dlin02/nopass/subwaymap.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.icm2002.org.cn/images/beijing/subway.jpg

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.kommet.spb.ru/images/russian/rusnew.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I have the London Underground map on my wall (wrinkled and with what looks like lipstick on it, but hey.) I probably have a collection of sorts, but they are not all together.

I totally now want to go on a Long Island railroad trip. I didn't even know it was so extensive.
The muni one is cute.
The Glasgow one looks like modern art.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's clearly stylized - the Clyde is not straight, for example.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.tcvb.or.jp/en/guide/img/02subwaymap.gif

it seems like tokyo just gave up on making any sense out of it and went for 'gobblygook' as their design asthetic

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

HOLY AWESOME:

http://www.savedelete.com/files/images/cj_30539.jpg

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, yes, that's what I meant, what with the rectangular river and all. xpost

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems they don't have too much money to spend on fancy maps in bucharest

http://www.romaniatourism.com/map/subway.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://pics.tnir.org/net/2004/2004-03-subway-map.jpg

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Tokyo looks like the ultimate subway map challenge.
O.M.G. re: tattoo. That is so very great.

Ah, Toronto...

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

this one has a really interesting configuration I haven't seen before

ihttp://www.ideography.co.uk/mapping/copenhagen/S-togkort.jpg

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://2.pro.tok2.com/~dreams/photo/ztk/usa/wash/Capitol/wa_subway_map.jpg

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.travelclubprague.cz/images/sub.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

This is where I live (St. Andrews). No trains have gone to St. Andrews for years though (50? 100?), so Leuchars is the nearest train. The old St. Andrews train station is now a horrible golfers bar...

http://www.escapetotranquillity.com/image/uk_map.gif

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

This one's freaking huge and slow:

http://www.railpage.org.au/railmaps/melbourn.gif

But a really lovely map of melbournes transit network - it isnt an official one, but it is really comprehensive and nice.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.reenhead.com/map/map.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw I found the old train map!

http://www.monash.edu.au/cmo/sil2001/info/train.jpg

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

(my station is Balaclava)

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.reed.edu/~reyn/DUE_MAP5.GIF

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.trimet.org/schedule/images/MAXmap.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

That Melbourne map is so friendly looking. I want to visit and take the metro everywhere.
I wanted to post Vancouver's, but it's interactive and therefore not postable. However, beat this for tourist-friendliness... The stars are a nice touch.
http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/section_pics/Transp_Serv/SeaBus/map-downtown-big.jpg

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.gvb.nl/ovproducten/images/metronetsept04.gif

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

god, I would be the happiest boy ever to get a job designing metro maps, honestly

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be a great job.
On the back of the print version of the Montreal metro map is a map of the "Underground City", which is really just a bunch of connected underground malls, with metro stns in them. This remains sad to me b/c it is so far from the fantastical visions of what I once thought "underground city" meant.

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.citefutee.com/picts/plans/gif/reseaux/metro.gif

― Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, the underground city is also completely bloody impossible to navigate, even with maps and signs. I got lost for close to 3 hours in it without having any idea where I was. I was pretty amazed at where I finally emerged after all my wandering.

What's also a little sad is that parts of it don't connect to the rest, which kind of ruins the whole point, I think.

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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yeah, I keep metrocards and POPs and bus transfers in my wallet too!

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

no love for hong kong so far!!

http://www.moog.com/img/3/Hong%20Kong%20MTR%20Map.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

singapore

http://de.geocities.com/m_pix1/sing/mrt-system-map1.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

and geographical one of hk.. together with the Kowloon-Canton Railway (my mum lives near tai-po market!)

http://www.hkcrystal.com/hiking/images/kcr.gif

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Manchester Metrolink tram lines
ihttp://www.bridgewater-hall.co.uk/about/images/metrolink.jpg

― robster (robster), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the full 'London Connections' map, with all the overground rail stations too. There are just too many stations and lines for it to be remotely usable. I don't know if it's online anywhere.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Vienna:
http://homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/metro/m/v-english.html

The stops on this map are very strangely translated into English.
I used to live right off of "Front Garden Street" on the U1, which is innocent enough name, but "As-If Road" and "Grief Pill Street" seem a bit goofier.
Vienna's system was great & well planned, but for my purposes I wished there was an easier way to get from the U6 to the U1.

― robots in love (robotsinlove), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/info/maps/connections.pdf

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

wow there's a brick lane in vienna!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

more vienna love--only cuz it's animated:
http://homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.prillinger/metro/p/hist-anim.gif

Also, remember these need to not be current maps we post!

― robots in love (robotsinlove), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I've done London, Paris, Moscow, NYC, Glasgow, and I did the sky train thing in Vancouver, if that counts. I oddly have no recollection at all of whether I used the Rome subway.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't realise this was another superwang contest!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

There are few maps more beautiful than LT spider bus maps (sorry if you haven't got Acrobat):

http://www.londontransport.co.uk/buses/spiders/pdf/elephant.pdf

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I tried to print the NY subway map but it was too small. Is Penn Station safe at night?

― youn, Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.urbanrail.net/eu/bil/bilbao-map.gif

― Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Ken, I was going to post Hong Kong last night and then I got tired and fell asleep before I could find a small enough map... (But I had a feeling you'd get to it anyway.)

Mark, Vancouver's skytrain totally counts! And it's in the SKY! I didn't post the system map b/c it's interactive. The route(s) have grown in the past couple of years too: http://www.translink.bc.ca/Transportation_Services/SkyTrain/default.asp .

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Undergrounds, trams and trolleys in San Francisco, Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York, London, Manchester, Copenhagen, Hamburg, Munich, Amsterdam, Paris, Milan, Rome, Barcelona, Vienna, Budapest, and Tokyo.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(The film about the underground community was Mark Singer's "Dark Days", with soundtrack by DJ Shadow even. It was good, though, er, dark. Essentially it was about being homeless and trying to make a home in the dark, disused, forgetten places, yet still finding that one can't escape others' claims on such spaces. About many other things too, of course.)
xpost...
also, ooh:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/080185945X.01.MZZZZZZZ.gif

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Most baffling subway system ever:

ihttp://www.japan.co.jp/~pbw/graphlib/tokyosub.gif

― Kenan (kenan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, something that might be of interest to people here, there's a website with metro systems of the world TO SCALE with one another. it also has the true geographical routes of the lines and the such, quite neat.

http://www.fakeisthenewreal.org/subway/

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

there's actually a neat kind of trend you can notice
in newer american cities (the more sprawly ones) the system is quite sparse and covers a large distance
but in most of the systems from elsewhere in the world (and a few dense/old american cities) the systems are very dense and compact.

hm!

― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

bump!

― MY FAVOURITE LIGHTER IS CHEESEBURGER (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.capitaltransport.com/NEW/jpgs/MetroMaps-1.jpg

― Stevem On X (blueski), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Lesser-known subways: St. Louis Metrolink (of which I can't find a map)

and Baltimore's dinky Metro:

ihttp://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/01glance/images/bmetro.gif

(Which you've probably seen in movies masquerading as DC's Metro.)

Cities I've transited in: St. Louis, San Franciso, Washington, Baltimore, Chicago, Boston, New York, Montreal, London, Paris.

― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

not a subway map as such, but

a map of londons motorways, as thought they were subway lines

http://www.btinternet.com/~roads/map.png

― -- (688), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

clever, but describing the m25 as "fast" is a bit of a mindfuck

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

That's hilarious!

(God, I'm such a geek.)

― Her Royal Kateness (kate), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

newark, nj has a subway -- it's true! (it's in the left-hand corner of the map, in brown):

http://www.urbanrail.net/am/nark/newark-map.gif

so, cities where i've rode the subway: NYC, philadelphia, newark, london, newcastle (!), glasgow, paris, barcelona, rome, vienna, prague, munich, stuttgart, berlin, stockholm, oslo. i also suppose that the PATH (b/w hoboken/jersey city NJ and NYC) and the PATCO (b/w philadelphia and hammonton, NJ) also count as "subways."

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

the philadelphia subway (stripped of the SEPTA commuter rail lines) and the PATCO -- from some japanese dude:

ihttp://osamuabe.ld.infoseek.co.jp/subway/mappage/philadel.gif

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Some Oslo maps:

Underground:
http://www.trafikanten.no/grafikk/Linjekart/T-banekart_080105.gif

Trams:
ihttp://www.trafikanten.no/grafikk/Linjekart/2005_os/TrikkenOsloOkt05.png

Buses:
ihttp://www.trafikanten.no/grafikk/Linjekart/2005_os/BussOsloOkt05.png

Night buses:
ihttp://www.trafikanten.no/grafikk/Linjekart/nattlinjene_os_031004.jpg

― The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://i13.tinypic.com/4p1o95s.jpg

― StanM, Sunday, 23 September 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

Awesome.

― Casuistry, Sunday, 23 September 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

http://www.ruraltransit.org/graphics/fcrta_service_area1024-774.jpg

― vaqueros, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 10:15 (eighteen years ago)

Glasgow's Clockwork Orange

http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/images/subway_map.jpg

Once again, as it's disappeared from upthread.

― krakow, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

new nyc map
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/27/nyregion/new-ny-subway-map.html?ref=nyregion

― mizzell, Friday, 28 May 2010 15:56 (fifteen years ago)

Buenos Aires Subte:

http://www.buenosaires54.com/images/buenos-aires-subway-metro-subte-mapa-map.jpg

Each line was built by different companies, so the track widths and cars are different for each line. Also: no air conditioning!

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 28 May 2010 16:52 (fifteen years ago)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4413987999_f33402d6e5_o.jpg

― nori dusted (Sanpaku), Friday, 28 May 2010 19:31 (fifteen years ago)

Urban Mass Transit Systems of North America (all on one page)

― nori dusted (Sanpaku), Friday, 28 May 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)

lol detroit people mover

― mizzell, Friday, 28 May 2010 20:17 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

Heeeey, this is a good thread. I need an app recommendation, actually: the map that comes on the iphone is woeful at subway stops--it basically doesn't show most of them unless you're zoomed in to the highest level. Is there a good map program that integrates transit??

I want to bike to the Euclid A and it's ridic complicated to find it on the map when there's no indicator.

― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Saturday, 6 July 2013 12:50 (twelve years ago)

You've got a few options. I have iTrans, which mimics the official mta map with additional functionality (similar to another app, called embark, I think, though I'm not so familiar with that one. I think it's popular?).
But I also have Kickmap, which I think has a much nicer design.

― chinavision!, Saturday, 6 July 2013 12:59 (twelve years ago)

All these apps show a general subway map, unrelated to real geography, until you select a station and display it on a street map. I think iTrans is the one where you can opt to download neighborhood maps as well, so you can identify the locations of the stairwells and exits in advance to assist with orientation.

― chinavision!, Saturday, 6 July 2013 13:02 (twelve years ago)

Well it turns out I didn't have googlemap on my phone, so I just downloaded it and all the little blue "M"s are there. Phew. I'll look those up anyway, though, out of interest. That stairway info is some highly specific shit!

― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Saturday, 6 July 2013 13:02 (twelve years ago)

My MTA app has to also have bus maps though. Which reminds me to download the Manhattan one, because I needed it on Monday.

― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Saturday, 6 July 2013 13:04 (twelve years ago)

yeah I don't think there's any good app that integrates bus and subway service? which is stupid, obviously. my guess is that the app makers all start from a position of designing a new/adapting the existing subway map, which doesn't really lend itself to displaying anything based on the real, actual, existing streets.

― chinavision!, Saturday, 6 July 2013 13:13 (twelve years ago)

That makes sense--bus maps are part of the same app but a different map you have to dl and switch to, which is okay but it would be cooler if they were like an overleaf that you could drop down. O well.

What I really needed was a regular map program that just SHOWS SUBWAY STOPS, because the one that came on the iphone didn't. Super lame.

― Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Saturday, 6 July 2013 13:16 (twelve years ago)

nine years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m6w1Pq0Pyw

― MaresNest, Wednesday, 25 January 2023 13:55 (three years ago)

I am a longtime stan of the DC area Metrorail. As it expands into exurbs it is evolving in its vibe. The map is still a spider - central hub and unconnected ends - but I've been living with it since 1976 and I have become attached to it.

Watching this

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zWkAAOSwT4xf0DH2/s-l300.jpg

become something more like this

https://washington-org.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/metro-updated-map-2017.jpg

has been part of the story of my life.

― is it milli vanilli or just a facsimile (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 15:22 (three years ago)

What's the biggest system that doesn't have a proper map? Or just any notable systems that either have no proper map or something unmaintained or substandard

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 16:00 (three years ago)

one year passes...

I’m prob late to the party on #circulartubemap (a mobile ‘phone co has partnered with @TfL to create ads with the tube map as a basis) BUT at lunchtime I went to Blackfriars, one of 5 Circle line stations where ad spots have been bought, to see them. Nobody asked for my take (er,… pic.twitter.com/u7DCMNyLzG
— Tim Dunn (@MrTimDunn) January 31, 2024

― koogs, Thursday, 1 February 2024 02:48 (two years ago)

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