t/s completed neuroscience vs. full communism

both

i voted for the second tho. why not?

If completed neuroscience meant we had cures for every conceivable form of mental ill-health, then it would probably get my vote, but I suspect that even if we were to understand all the mechanisms of the brain, down to the tiniest degree, it would bring no more happiness into the world, but conceivably would bring some highly invidious new instruments of autocratic control.

As for full communism, I can imagine many ways it might not be humanly satisfying to live under it, but if it were achieved and maintained by the free choice of society, without coercion, then it probably means it is working well enough for all general purposes and worth having.

This is a false binary. The answer is, of course, a synthesis of both: Completed Full Banakism.

My take on full communism is that it describes the extreme type of collectivism that disregards the sanctity of the family unit and can only be imposed by violent totalitarian force. But I suppose it could represent something more congenial towards humanity as an idea.

And here I thought it was just Jesse Meyerson trolling Fox News.

Full communism, as I understand it, would be a society where all social arrangements are volitional and non-coercive. This will be possible because everything will be rendered transparent after the mediating force of capital is removed from social life. I think I'm following the Western Marxist tradition here, which would view communism as like, the negative image of utopia that arises when we compare the actuality of bourgeois society to the promises it makes vis a vis things like freedom. It sounds legit but, necessarily, something that can't really be imagined in its particulars by us right now.

Chose full communism fwiw bc completed neuroscience reminds me of Kurzweil's notion of the liberation of consciousness from organic forms, an eshatology that seems way less appealing to me than Walter Benjamin's one about the liberation of humans from capital, and the subsequent opening of history. Both seem rather abstract though.

Don't think either of these things will happen.

any utopian advance in knowledge under capitalism will be turned to dystopian ends, voted communism

but ideals don't necessarily exist in order to "happen"

Communism and "completed neuroscience" have both been posited as humanity's destiny. Marxism doesn't rely on this teleological formation and neither does neuroscience, but still

http://libcom.org/library/full-communism

I don't think I've heard "completed neuroscience". Is the point that these are both deferral strategies used to render claims on behalf of communism and neuroscience unfalsifiable?

Haha so it basically is Jesse Myerson (and a lot of other people) trolling Fox News (and a lot of other people). Excellent.

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Completed neuroscience would be an enabling technology that would permit AI, conscious machines, and things like personality preservation, hostile environment colonization and interstellar travel.

Also SkyNet.

I can only imagine full communism just reduces human inequality and envy. So we can all be queen ants in our little pile.

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