hey gawker dudes. what the fuck is wrong with you?

http://gawker.com/parks-rec-exec-found-dead-from-apparent-overdose-1686895611

Which wouldn't be so bad but you couldn't help but link to

http://defamer.gawker.com/its-because-youre-a-cunt-harris-1168629718/+johncook

Really?

link maybe automatic, related story, tag or whatever.

The "obit" doesn't seem so bad.

A lot of gawker is gossip, never going to be the classiest website.

Oh yeah the link is in the text /illiterate

if you include the link you're shameless. if you don't you're whitewashing your record. kind of a no win situation

Ehh idk, pretty sure you could choose not to hyperlink that shit in an obit, and I know that gawker is the new cool kid ILX crew, but fuck that noise.

i think it's sad that ppl think gawker is cool -- like the ppl who write for it seem like a mix of college student newspaper dorks that felt they were "edgier" than their peers but not extroverted enough to be sketch comedy dweebs

gawker media, jjjusten wants a word with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64sy-053698

reading this thread i thought it was going to be like, one of those embedded links with an image. that would have been pretty hilarious/fucked up. but a hyperlink in the text? meh

if you include the link you're shameless. if you don't you're whitewashing your record. kind of a no win situation

It isn’t white washing if it’s a minor story. And it was an extremely minor story.

the new cool kid ILX crew lol

new cool kid ILX crew needs to be doing more to prevent plushie-fucking garbage like this imo

http://io9.com/10-superheroes-who-can-never-have-sex-5015295

The first two grafs of the Hulk item are a good an argument as any that comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

it would have been really disingenuous to write about his death but pretend like we have no history with him

new cool kid ILX crew needs to be doing more to prevent plushie-fucking garbage like this imo

sure we'll do this right after you storm into will dana's office and put your foot down over the new U2 album getting 5 stars

agree that it was such a minor story that it'd of been fine and a scosh classier to not include it

lol @ plushie-fucking garbage

In the future all celeb obits will include a disclosure about the writer being blocked on Twitter by the deceased

i still dont REALLY get this complaint but im glad you posted about it here and on facebook

frankly it would be really weird and shady to pretend we (or really a couple ex employees) had never gotten in a stupid fight with this guy? its not that the story is or is not newsworthy its that we were directly involved as an institution. better to err on the side of transparency

and even then i guess i dont quite get it. are obits supposed to be safe spaces?

are obits supposed to be safe spaces?

yes

it's called 'decorum' usually

It's bad form to call out or air the dirty laundry of someone who is no longer around to defend him/herself. And I'm sure it's pretty much the last thing anyone who cares about that person wants to read about when they're grieving.

I mean, write an article or a book or whatever after some time has passed and tell the world how much of a d-bag the person was if you need to, but slipping funeral atendees pictures of the deceased with his mistress just makes you look like a ghoul.

When Norm McDonald dies does Rolling Stone have to print that he tweeted a critique of their Best SNL cast list?

i don't think mentioning gawker's history with the guy is nec. a bad thing but the way it's inserted into the article is really weird to me, like it's vague enough to invite you to click on it, had it been prefaced with something like "we should note in the interest of transparency that we engaged in an angry blah blah blah...." i would understand more

i still dont REALLY get this complaint but im glad you posted about it here and on facebook

Maybe Gawker can run an article about it and link back to it when we die

take it to kinja

xp: lololol

"Media is just a word that has come to mean bad journalism." - Graham Greene

^^ GG firing shots at gawker over ethics in journalism

lolololx2

clearly the gawker keepin' it negative dickhole cool kid crew should run ILX

clearly they should

― carne asada, Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:38 PM (6 years ago)

i think it's sad that ppl think gawker is cool -- like the ppl who write for it seem like a mix of college student newspaper dorks that felt they were "edgier" than their peers but not extroverted enough to be sketch comedy dweebs

― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Friday, February 20, 2015 4:01 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think gawker is cool. i guess i buy into their self-image of bravely flaunting politesse standards of establishment journalism, and the writers not caring who they piss off definitely makes for interesting reading. disrespecting the death of some random tv producer i've never heard of doesn't necessarily quality as "brave," but idk it's hard to care either way. i like how the nothing gets the gloves off on ilx like obits

We are clearly in need of higher standards for reading.

comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

i hope you are consistently making this argument on all the relevant ilx threads, sugar

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

not to be trenchant or anything but everyone lies in obits it's the american way. *thanks obama for gawker*

i mean gawker dudes, thanks dudes

i see people get all excited about these movies and then I see this woman is describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 1:08 PM (6 minutes ago)

you don't get boners?

Whiney gets a boner every time he gets the opportunity to neg on pop culture he doesn't approve of.

how exciting

i can't help but be a little curious why a small business owner in the midwest is outraged about an obit published by a young hip but increasingly conservative new media outlet about a sad comedy ca druggy with a tumblr book deal in which there is what seems like a minor concession to past beef. small world i guess?

Mumble! Sigh! Sob! Comics aren't just for adults anymore!

Sorry, couldn't think of better sound effects for stereotypical alt commix.

don't care about this controversy but can't wait to make good use of this thread in the future

just what we need -- another cis-het white man talking about the hulk's boner

*tumbls furiously*

comic books and comic book movies should never be consumed by anyone over the age of 14

― pro stroke Johnny Gill songs would rub you the right way (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, February 20, 2015 7:50 AM (5 hours ago)

what about Kevin Smith movies

Hey hip-hop nerds. What kind-of hip-hop is this?

will do

don't you live in greenpoint where's it's like 90% polish people and upwardly mobile white twentysomethings pretending to be broke? who are you scared of there?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you scared of getting a seitan taco from the taco truck?

― imo phillips (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

best thread ever

"grim reapah!" burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb never fails to brighten my day

i find it wild that people answer their phones for someone/thing that is not in their phones' phonebook (this does not apply to old ppl w only land lines)

oh lol big doubleup there

I have the same reaction that I always do to these stories of marriage/kids/books -- I feel bad for Raffi. Being exploited like that, for his parents' benefit. I also did not know that Keith was Masha Gessen's brother. Does he not have anything else to write about?!

lol mookie

I think if you have a reason to take random phone calls part of your regular set of tools needs to be specific things to ask to determine if any call is legit or total bullshit, where total bullshit is the default. I found out some coworkers were responding to direct solicitation from salespeople in their work email and WHY? if you have no need for this product or service just ignore it. anything else is “this guy responds to email, I could have a live one on the line”

I was talking to a guy from a biometric security company a couple of days ago who reckons that we are about a year away from the kind of tech currently being used to, for example, create live deepfakes of CEOs with meticulously constructed VR spoofs of their homes and offices capable of fooling their employees and banks, being accessible to more or less anyone who wants to use it. Not sure how any of these people are going to survive.

the corporate threat simulations for these things have gotten a little better but are still pretty funny. oh, the ceo of my employer wants me to open this dropbox link? I totally talk to him all the time, makes sense. they’ll have to catch up further, but the limiting factor is going to be whether people high up in enough in companies will be able to take the ego hit if any of the deepfakes or spam calls actually fool them. some real thin skin in those upper echelons, sometimes

I get what you’re saying LL but I think some parenting writing avoids that by being about parenting rather than about the kid. The specifics are about the parent rather than the kid. The specifics are specific to the parent and their relationship with their partner, the kid could be any kid. (This obviously isn’t true of all parenting memories). Parenting becomes such a big part of your life (especially the mother) that they are left with nothing personal to write about if they don’t address it. Rachel cusk is good on this.

(I’m not saying this defence applies to raising raffi in particular. There are a couple of chapters in there with the stated goal of memorializing raffi the toddler, which describe him in some detail.)

i'd love to punch my hologram CEO

-KRS One

“All parenting memoirs”

man the emily gould piece made me financially anxious. until it mentioned the in-laws live in cape cod. later it's revealed to be falmouth. i went on zillow to see what houses there sell for. i think they'll be fine!

I get what you’re saying LL but I think some parenting writing avoids that by being about parenting rather than about the kid. The specifics are about the parent rather than the kid. The specifics are specific to the parent and their relationship with their partner, the kid could be any kid. (This obviously isn’t true of all parenting memories). Parenting becomes such a big part of your life (especially the mother) that they are left with nothing personal to write about if they don’t address it. Rachel cusk is good on this.

(I’m not saying this defence applies to raising raffi in particular. There are a couple of chapters in there with the stated goal of memorializing raffi the toddler, which describe him in some detail.)

I hear you and don't think I will personally ever be ok with putting a young person's life on display in this way. I have very personal reasons for feeling this way and I don't see any situation in which I would feel differently. Being fully aware of the rigors of parenting (though I admittedly haven't done it myself) is not new to me. I am fully aware that in the modern world, parents become consumed by their children and have little room in their lives for much else, at least for a time. None of this is novel information, if we're being honest.

Neither that knowledge nor the centering of the parental experience changes my belief that knowingly putting a young person's life on display without their consent is not good for the young person's life experience. Whether the output centers the parental experience or is more egregiously exploitative of the child, mining one's child's life for material is just not something I am ok with. I expressed myself above and continue to feel that way. I don't actually think you got what I was saying bc if you did, you wouldn't have tried to change my mind.

sorry for derailing

i find it wild that people answer their phones for someone/thing that is not in their phones' phonebook (this does not apply to old ppl w only land lines)

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, February 16, 2024 9:47 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

when my kids were in day care I had to! they always called from their personal phones to say hey, your kid puked, go pick 'em up

LL: I wasn’t trying to change your mind, but fair enough.

sorry to derail but where are we talking about the CIA taking $50k from the cut's financial advice columnist for safekeeping?

The bit (assuming the whole thing isn't a bit, so to speak) where the CIA dude gives her a nine-digit case number and she thinks "Hmm, I should check this is on the up-and-up" and googles the case number is amazing.

rip vichy deadspin

congrats Cord Jefferson!

Good riddance

https://www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2024/deadspin-defamation-lawsuit-chiefs-fan-1234765929/

Just amazing seeing the reactions on Twitter. Literally nobody is shedding a tear for these writers.

what is happening

people who complain about sports media are generally one of the worst segments of the internet

I have no idea what's up at deadspin since all the people whose work I liked reading left, but it sucks to be a writer and get laid off! Maybe having little to no budget had a lot to do with that article getting published without editorial oversight or a second person saying "hey, maybe leave this bit out" but I'm sure sports dorks are going to talk about it forever

local sports fans are still weird about some young writer for the paper who got thrown under the bus after a misconstrued interaction with someone he interviewed

Now some may find this podcast episode of interest:

https://pod.link/1435743296/episode/2de5ac866633beed4704050d9eba425b

About 10 years ago, Jane Marie was doing pretty damn good for herself. She was on her own, had a new baby and was working hard as an editor at the feminist website, Jezebel. Then, it all came crashing down when an editor at Gawker, the umbrella site Jezebel was published under, released a story about a recently discovered Hulk Hogan sex tape - including footage.Enter Peter Theil, who had been looking for a reason to settle a score with Gawker when the Hulk scandal fell squarely in his lap. Theil ended up funding Hollywood Hulk's long, costly legal battle and when it was all said and done, Gawker couldn't keep up with the Theil money being thrown at them. They also made a few mistakes during depositions and trial testimony out of, let's just say, hubris, that didn't curry favor with the Judge deciding the case. When Gawker fell, it took everyone associated with the site down with it.On this week's episode, Jane sits down with the once cocky and brash Gawker editor, AJ Daulerio (the one who decided to publish the Hogan story), to talk about the where and the why of it all and find out if anything's changed in AJ's life since the heady days of the 2010's.

oooh

edit: turns out adventures of a failson/ ramblings of said failson are still not that interesting

it’s amazing how the 00’s get exponentially more gross & depressing the further back in the rearviewmirror they get

I still can’t get over the stupid shit he said during his deposition

same

honestly there were so many times during the podcast ep where i was just waiting for the host to flip the table and be like i’m sorry i cannot anymore with yr bullshit WTF IS WRONG W YOU

dang you're making me want to listen to it now

u shld totally host a podcast & flip the table @ every bad guest, VG

"I'm your host, VG, and welcome to Don't Waste My Time"

lmao

idk. she (host) worked for Jezebel! and she gives him polite “oh really”’s and “lol no way”’s to his tales of failing upwards and newfound sobriety and i do not know if I could find it within me to be polite, even now

VG: "my guest today is a liar and a butthead and a creep --"

guest: "hey, that's not fair!"

VG: "QUIET, YOU" (╯°Д°)╯彡┻━┻

this has been Don't Waste My Time with your host VG, tune in next week for an exclusive interview with mark zuckerberg. sneak preview:

VG: "STFU NERD" (┛ಠ_ಠ)┛︵┻━┻

Would subscribe

there for it

:D

rereading the original post followed by Max’s smug response and knowing his Substack has 56,000 subscribers is a reminder that nothing matters

but what’s up with the hipster grifter these days

I didn’t realise until I went to web to see the post you mentioned that this thread is hidden to non registered users

knowing his Substack has 56,000 subscribers is a reminder that nothing matters

― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, May 6, 2025 11:11 AM (fifty-four minutes ago)

actually he's really good at covering what he writes about and being smug a decade ago doesn't negate that

yeah, Max is in like the 1% of successful people who are actually talented and deserve it

and even then i guess i dont quite get it. are obits supposed to be safe spaces?

what a great question!

also lol

it is pretty glaringly obvious. the law has an expansive understanding of what "greater good" means in the context of speech. as nearly every first-amendment lawyer you'll talk to will tell you, gawker will win this lawsuit on appeal (just as it has nearly every appeal it has made already). if hogan had not successfully drawn the judge he has, it would never have gotten this far.

― max, Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:23 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Don’t think Max accounted for AJ Daulerio trotting into the worst possible quote and acting like a complete ass for every single situation tbfttl

Or you know, the malignant billionaire who funded what was essentially a bullshit suit.

the thing about the attempted schadenfreude aspect is that it actually worked out swimmingly in the end for nick, as he's said in his recent interviews. he was forced to exit the digital media business at, or near, the peak of its valuation. selling gawker media for $135 million is hilarious in retrospect. nick has said in those interviews that he'd rather be where he's at now than be jonah peretti and i would find that claim to be pretty undeniable

worked out for max, too! 56k subs to your substack is the journalist dream right now. some of the rest of us, well...

maybe some day we'll get to see what their living rooms look like

wait no longer! back when nick hosted parties a lot there was this art piece that hung from the ceiling which was a massive sphere made up of little pieces of foam that you'd have to be careful not to walk into

https://www.mansionglobal.com/articles/gawker-founder-nick-denton-selling-new-york-city-soho-loft-crosby-spring-street-65261fc8

max's living room is more in the sarah sherman style...

tip of the hat - now we're just waiting to hear more about the living rooms of the fellas you visit over on the queer thread ;)

can't believe that max was ever smug on the internet, smdh

only recently listened to some of the podcast bits associated with his newsletter and it's pretty good, too

I butted heads with Max over several things but if I’d ever tried to go after him for being smug, I would have vaporized in a puff of hypocrisy