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Not meaning to trivialise this, but brit-tabloid fave Ulrika Jonsson has recently claimed to have been raped by a tv presenter in the 80s. Jonathan Ross also claims to know who this is. Who is it? And shouldn't she press charges as it seems the guy in question is notorious for this?

(I ask here because I can't wait until Thursday's Popbitch)

Ian SPACK, Sunday, 20 October 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Prince Edward?

C J (C J), Sunday, 20 October 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

news bunny?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 20 October 2002 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Doing everything to lock up rapists is plainly highly desirable, but one of the nastiest things about that crime is how difficult it often is to prove, in that threats and intimidation doesn't necessarily show up later in examinations. By this point, i.e. over 12 years later, prosecution isn't likely to be feasible.

I'm tempted to relate the story of the man who is still a big TV star who tried to sexually assault my ex-wife, way back in the '70s. He was drunk and drove off afterwards, so she called the police with his registration number to tip them off that he was drunk - he lost his license. Since she couldn't have proved he grabbed her and shoved her up against a wall and started groping, this was the best revenge she could get. The revelation that this racist, sexist comedian (who presents a very long-running Saturday game show, participants being pairs of family members of different generations) would behave this way won't surprise many, I suspect.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 October 2002 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike Morris?

Mr Swygart (mrswygart), Sunday, 20 October 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Jim D*vidson!

C J (C J), Sunday, 20 October 2002 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I had hoped that no one would be able to google my making such comments about someone able to afford top lawyers, in fact.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 October 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I am of course referring to Jim D*vidson of number 46 Riverside View, Brighton. I had inadvertently mentioned his name in this thread when it should of course have been posted under the section "Men who collect beer mats"

Sorry for any confusion

C J (C J), Sunday, 20 October 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't know sexually assaulting a beermat was a crime!

jim, david's son, Sunday, 20 October 2002 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

It is round these parts

David, Jim's Dad (C J), Sunday, 20 October 2002 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

the popbitch message board seems to know who it is...

chris (chris), Monday, 21 October 2002 10:32 (twenty-three years ago)

You know I once *knew* someone who had been the News Bunny for a short period of time.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 21 October 2002 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha I forgot about that

chris (chris), Monday, 21 October 2002 10:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I was shocked/appalled by that interview. I could give less of a fuck about Ulrika as a 'personality' but I really felt for her on an individual level. Sort of.

My sister has been raped and I also have a couple of female friends who've suffered similar.
How Ulrika can sit there on national telly and talk about that issue without breaking up yet claim she doesn't have the stones to confront the shitheel who assaulted her is truly incredible.
And I mean that in the legalistic sense -- 'in-credible'. Not fucking credible. She wrote about it in her book but didn't name names because she was advised not to for legal reasons. Or because there was no money in it(?).

She admitted to knowing he had committed the same offence with several other (less famous?) women yet all she could find in that was a sense of cheer because she realised it wasn't an hallucination.

It's a strange world we live in.

Android (Android Elvis), Monday, 21 October 2002 10:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Did I actually tell you that then? It's not something that comes up in conversation that often.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 21 October 2002 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I have an infinite capacity for remembering gossip Anna. and yes, you did tell me.

chris (chris), Monday, 21 October 2002 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Exclusive ..it was Roland Rat.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 21 October 2002 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sure they'll find a way to pin it on Barrymore regardless of who it was.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 21 October 2002 11:36 (twenty-three years ago)

There's probably the same legal issues with saying it on TV as there is for teh book. I doubt the BBC would broadcast it. It probably is just as effective to let the rumor mill get whoever it was.

Graham (graham), Monday, 21 October 2002 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

ie Slander / Libel. Since it would be very difficult to prosecute a retrospective rape case after x amount of time (the only evidence there would be is circumstantial) and if said person is relatively powerful in TV it would possibly be career suicide.

A nice little whispering campaign though ought to do the job - since most people will know who it is by the end of the week.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 21 October 2002 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I am so happy that I know someone who knew News Bunny! (I have mentioned here before that my ex-wife had shagged a womble, so I am used to almost exactly this kind of second-degree proximity to our top celebs.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 21 October 2002 11:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Seeing as this man was supposed to be renowned in TV circles for being a serial date rapist I am wondering whether he has a career anymore. Or am I just being naive?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 21 October 2002 11:57 (twenty-three years ago)

if you believe scurrilous rumour sites, he was on telly today already

chris (chris), Monday, 21 October 2002 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Totally understant the issue of slander/libel etc but I'm thinking this as just another work related incident ... i.e. if one of us were sexually assaulted in the workplace would that mean we should keep quiet (selectively) and possibly let others suffer the same?

She's only human but it's most upsetting to hear that nothing has been/will be done. Sickening.
I can't accept an "but he knows we know and that'll discourage him" approach.

Or perhaps I'm just being naive? Dunno.

Android (Android Elvis), Monday, 21 October 2002 12:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Android I completely agree, and this was the point that Jonathon Ross was trying to get at in the somewhat uncomfortable situation of a comedy chatshow. Now she knows its happened to others then should she try and stop it happening to others. Equally true of course to the other people this has happened to. But possibly the mindset is - unsurprisingly - more selfish. Something terrible has happened to me, I am not going to let that ruin my career as well (which it could - the vagaries of the media being what it is). In any rape case like this, especially a date rape case, the facts of Ulrika's previous sex life would be dragged through the court...

Of course the fact that she doesn't really mind the facts of her sex life being dragged through the Daily Mail does seem to remove that line of argument a touch.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 21 October 2002 12:38 (twenty-three years ago)

If it did come to court the defence lawyer would definitely bring up her past and any whispering campaign against the accused would make it difficult to provide a fair trial for either party.

Not that her sexual history should matter anyway but it's a jury system and will as they're as prone to hypocrisy as any stratum of society.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 21 October 2002 12:50 (twenty-three years ago)

As a legal expert, I think proof is a very important part of justice, more so than chattering campaigns, etc. I have read a book called 'The English Legal System', hence my obvious authority in these matters.

I thought L*s D*nnis did that programme. Am I out of the loop?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 October 2002 12:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I think, N. & Android, you are both being naive - but in different ways.

toraneko (toraneko), Monday, 21 October 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree proof is important, and therefore without a surfuit of proof she has resigned to
a) Not name names in her book or TV for fear of being done for libel.
b) Still talk about it in a general sense as it is an important part of her life with the possible outcome that something will come out of it.

She is not a stupid woman after all, just quite an emotionally damaged one.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 21 October 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh an L*s D*nn*s does Family Fortunes, not the gameshow being refered to above.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 21 October 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, perhaps I am being naive, toraneko .. but sometimes it takes a naive person with some integrity to blow the whistle and right a wrong.

Maybe she'd get it in the neck for trying to do something about it (esp if it is many years after said event) but I have to say, hand on heart, if I were in the same position I happily fuck the career off to set the record straight.
I've not been sexually assaulted at work but I've lost a job for whistle blowing before and I'll do it again. should she be more afriad because she has more to lose? Depends on her conscience. I've already lost one job for doing so. Cutting off my nose to spite my face? Hero? Zero? Stupid?
Whatever. I can sleep easy at night knowing I did what I thought was right. That's all I'm trying to say. It's not right for everyone in every situation.

Depends on one's priorities, dunnit?

Peas.

Android (Android Elvis), Monday, 21 October 2002 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought it was F*mily F*rtunes. Missed the word 'pairs'. What a dullard!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 October 2002 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

You in the same position might, but you're never going to be in the same position so you don't really know.

There are many reasons why 9 out of 10 women do not report sexual assult, other than being worried about "fucking off" a career.

I don't know who either the woman or the man being referred to in this instance are - but I don't need to know in order to understand why she has might not have chosen to formally report it.

You're simplified interpretation of the issue shows that you don't actually understand it. Your attitude towards her realising 'it wasn't an hallucination' further indicates your lack of comprehension.

toraneko (toraneko), Monday, 21 October 2002 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Why do you think she would have chosen not to report it? (I'm not saying this is not the case, I just genuinely want to know)

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 October 2002 15:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronan, I can't answer your question now because it's 2:56 am and I'm too tired but this article might help to answer http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/03/cov_10feature2.html

toraneko (toraneko), Monday, 21 October 2002 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Everyone at work is saying it's J*h* L*s*l*e. And that two of the women are about to name him.

Anyone else know anything

sw london geezer, Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:54 (twenty-three years ago)

The Scotsman has already named it as John Leslie:

http://www.thescotsman.co.uk/index.cfm?id=1166132002

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

OK, now they#ve changed the page...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/images/promo_pics/homes/dicko_feecc6.jpg

things may be worse than we feared.

pulpo, Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

It's actually theoretically impossible for "The Duke" to rape anyone, as everyone on this planet wants to have sex with him anyway.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah - J**n L****e was my guess, based on what I'd heard about him before, until I thought I heard something that implied it happened before he was a sleb.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

but everyone said it was a major a-list star?

gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:30 (twenty-three years ago)

That's a scandalous thing to say about JL, Gareth.

Graham (graham), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Various contributors to uk.media.tv.misc have also named the same man.

I have very mixed feelings about all of this. UJ's reasons for not reporting the alleged rape in the first place are extremely plausible. I also assume media-insiders have good reasons for judging this man guilty. But his career and reputation are now destroyed without him ever having actually stood trial.

Meanwhile the appalling double-standards shown by sections of the press in reporting UJ's love life the last few weeks will only strengthen the reluctance of many women to report rape in the first place. Reminds me how backward and patriachal society still is in dealing with sexual violence.

Ulrika has the last word

stevo (stevo), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 11:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Ananova:

Ulrika rape claim presenter 'named' by chat show host

Matthew Wright has inadvertently named the TV presenter at the centre of speculation about the identity of the man Ulrika Jonsson claims raped her.

He mentioned the name - which cannot be repeated for legal reasons - during his live show The Wright Stuff on Channel Five. But he quickly pointed out it had been a slip of the tongue and that he had not meant to do so.

Jonsson has claimed the man, who she has refused to identify, attacked her in a hotel room in 1988. She was a young TV weather presenter at the time.

The man has denied the claim, according to reports.

Wright's slip-up came during the newspaper review at the start of his daily show.

Later PR man Max Clifford took part in a debate on the show about trial by media. Clifford says he has been approached by other women who claim to have had encounters with the unidentified presenter.

Clifford also says he gave advice to the man earlier this week.

A spokeswoman for Five said: "It was never the intention of The Wright Stuff to name anyone in connection with this story."

Meanwhile, a third woman is reported to have made an official complaint to police about the man. The 30-year-old woman broke down as she watched the former weather girl describing her rape ordeal on Jonathan Ross's BBC1 show, the Daily Express reported today.

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did anyone see the show? I still think it's one of the Krankies.

kinski (kinski), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 12:38 (twenty-three years ago)

what if the accused had accepted the marriage proposal of sorts ALLEGEDLY made to him by Catherine Zeta Jones in the early 90s...i wonder what she'd make of it all, probably gladder than ever he turned her down (she must already have been pretty ecstatic at ending up with wrinkly old Mikey Douglas)

blueski, Wednesday, 23 October 2002 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)


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