Thread for ILX Trump Voters to stand up and be counted.

not a trump voter but i spent last weekend with one and now my in-laws are visiting and my fil is another one. both trump voters are older, jewish, socially awkward, intelligent, trolls. i am unclear with both whether they'll actually do it or they're just saying it to piss off their wives and friends.

Trolling people is pretty low-impact but actually getting up and going somewhere to cast a ballot can be kind of a pain in the ass.

older, jewish, socially awkward, intelligent, trolls

I recognize this demo

i'm prolly more likely to actually consider voting for him than anybody here... but in the end still no. i don't want him to win the presidency, and i do want hillary. but i will say that i have seen dems + libs behave like completely insane ppl this election (from my vantage point, exactly as bad as the mouth-frothing, fact-rejecting cariactures they make republicans out to be), and i can't imagine i'll be voting as down the ticket dem as i have in previous elections from here on out.

no judgement - just want to understand. when you say "dims + libs behave like completely insane ppl this election" what are you referring to? the internecine fighting? 'fearmongering' regarding trump? pitching too left an agenda, or not left enough?

i mean kind of all of that to extreme levels, + a ton of racism and obstinate ignorance of the systems they are criticizing

thing is there are a handful of people in the elections thread that are "staunch supporters" and are pretty vehement about defending their ideas and the vibe over there is pretty intense

i wouldn't be surprised if there are a few trump voters on ilx but they don't say anything because some people are pretty ruthless

hint hint nudge nudge amirite ;)

I am told that anything but a vote for H.R.C. is "a vote for Trump" and, in the case of an abstention, write-in, or minor-party vote, "cozy white privilege."

so basically the crazed-lib monotheism i predicted four months ago

your powers of prediction know no bounds

i hope ppl vote honestly here. i would be interested to hear from a trump voter who has also found ilx to be of interest to them

If there were a politician named Staunch I would vote for him/her no matter what anyone said.

ilx has had no openly republican poster for years, not even any libertarians which is pretty unusual for a nerdy msg board

there used to be a couple - Dandy Don etc. Board has drifted left though.

drifted left meaning like, 2 libertarian guys left

haha yes

lack of libertarian ilxors is indeed pretty unusual

but a look at do you consider yourself a libertarian?

indicates there are at least a few that agree with some libertarian theory

no online community has much ideological diversity anymore because people just gravitate toward places where everyone agrees with them.

I disagree

i kind of agree with both of you

the most politically and ideologically diverse community i frequent is a soccer forum. i think specificity of interest perpendicular to political persuasion is necessary for this

im just praying one day an email leaks and we learn HRC and Trump both colluded w each other to make a killing in speaking and book deals and are hereby both disqualified

both trump voters are older, jewish, socially awkward, intelligent, trolls.

this also describes the trump voters in my social media universe (though none of mine are family members)

don't think it's actually trump's core demo though

i guess "family members" is sadly correct though i want to defend my actual family by saying that not a single person biologically related [or married] to me is voting trump.

Would not vote trump in a real election but voted trump itt as a protest over not including bernie as an option

The ideological purity of ILX is pretty shocking, given that it isn't a political forum.

i'm actually not convinced of said purity. there are what, thousands of lurkers? as far as we know they're men's rights activists and picket planned parenthood on sundays.

well yeah but among regular (american) posters there are really no conservatives

what are there actually tories in the UK contingent

i wont vote for trump but i did put all the money i had on pinnacle for him to win ~4 mnths ago when the odds seemed unreasonably long

(I seem to recall some recent imagebombing indicating there were but I can never tell what UK ILX0rs are on about)

xp

among regular UK posters there's essentially no one even on the right side of Labour from what I can tell
the few posters from farther afield (Fredrik, Tuomas) are leftier than the average American or Brit

A few UK posters are SNP, of course.

i think there are UK moderates or centrists -ish but angry hectoring Stalinists like me make them feel unwilling to post their thoughts sometimes

what a legacy

was trying to be honest tbh

sorry 4 snarking this should be a safe space

I cast thee out blasphemer

don't get me wrong i also think reluctance to post your conservative opinions is usually based on hypocritical guilt but i recognize that we could all do more to encourage everybody to speak their minds without fear of ad hom abuse

ah bollocks objectivity and logical debate are mirages anyway

"i also think reluctance to post your conservative opinions is usually based on hypocritical guilt"

Its prob more "why argue when we're winning" id think

conservatives are certainly not "winning" rn in the US, save in the sheenian sense

suspect that the people that wanna apologize for neoliberalism aren't the ones that are "winning" thru it but i hear your point darragh

They only hold 31 of 50 state governorships and have complete control of all government in 23 states, what losers.

S'why trump is such an interesting, positive development despite being such and odious horror. The reaction of an entire swathe of a hitherto-satisfied demographic that hasnt had to justify or even exercise thought on its base platform for decades

Sorry ive been xping myself to make it a less blunt point

everything boils down to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wveW9Tw2JKE

tho

And was more ukcentric to nv

I honestly wish more moderates/conservatives posted here. I mean, y'know, the ones who were willing to engage in respectful debate. Assuming they still exist.

idk, if it's a total massacre in nov and dems pick up senate and either win back house or come close to doing so it might put the fear into moderate republicans who see cooperation as the only way to save their careers.

Whereas I tended to think that, with the GOP imploding, this was the year we COULD afford to risk it.

well when the other candidate is lamenting the fact that we don't use our nuclear weapons I think it's pretty smart to put the safest, closest-to-100% option they can find

I don't think anyone wanted to have a discussion that the potential first female candidate was less electable due to 'personality and perceived character'. It's pretty hard to have that conversation without discussing gender in a really uncomfortable way.

Oh bullshit. The Democratic Party is not going to put avoiding "uncomfortable" discussions above winning. fuck off.

might put the fear into moderate republicans who see cooperation as the only way to save their careers

this is not gonna happen! Most GOP House reps are in safe districts, and feeling under threat only makes them circle the wagons more, not less. They will never capitulate.

Dems won't get 60 seats in the Senate either, much less a majority in the House. GOP will go into siege mentality just like they did when Obama was elected and McConnell's publicly stated objective was to "make him a one term President"

I don't think anyone wanted to have a discussion that the potential first female candidate was less electable due to 'personality and perceived character'.

maybe you live in some alternate reality where every other article on Hillary wasn't about this very thing

also congrats on having the foresight to predict that the safest establishment choice would be the one to make it.

fwiw Adam, you met hostility in the political thread not because you were critical of Clinton, but because said criticism boiled down to typing the exact same 2-3 phrases over and over again regardless of context or relation to the conversation at hand with little to no engagement with anything that people were actually talking about as if you were dropping an atom bomb of truth onto an unsuspecting audience instead of repeating well-known facts that everyone on the thread had known for years and had already reckoned with

IOW it's not because you "criticized" Clinton, it's because you are a one-note blowhard with nothing of value to add to a conversation

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but did you hear that Hillary voted for the Iraq War *and* the bailout

why is repeating the "people have a hard time w her personality/character the issues have nothing to do w it cos we already know they exist" line over and over again not one-note?

why i am criticizing an elected official's actual public voting records when i could be criticizing the elected official's supporters?

honestly i don't care about this team-based approach to politics. i am sorry you have friends that are annoying on facebook.

nothing of value to add to a conversation

and yet it's still more value than you bring when you devalue other's speech

honestly i don't care about this team-based approach to politics.

which approach do you prefer? I'm unaware of any political system that is not essentially team-based.

i mean team based as in pretending everyone on social media and the candidate have all coordinated and have a hive mind and are acting as a united team. lots of noise going around. calling people stupid makes them an adversary whether they were before or not, it divides us into teams without my agency. it's an aggressive tactic and maybe team-based was a bad term to use there but you kinda see what i mean.

anyways enough about this distracting bs are you Patriot Act apologists just huge fans or torture or something?

of torture

I was and am against the majority of the Patriot Act. Funnily, this is not incompatible with supporting Hillary Clinton's presidential candidacy.

Obama's signed v clear executive orders banning torture, I don't really expect a Hillary administration to reinstate it. Also torture was not authorized by the Patriot Act.

I don't want to call you stupid since you don't respond well to that but uh... be more coherent?

I feel like this goes back to a point that Mordy commonly makes quite well, which is that voting is always strategic, and not an expression of a personal ethical position.

you are aware of the condition Chelsea Manning is currently in?

stay on target there pardner

Why has the Obama administration been so harsh on whistleblowers? Is it just because there are more of them now, or is there some animus or strategy that previous administrations didn't have? I don't understand it.

this thread is not about that

Lol Shakey = thread sheriff sittin on a rocking chair

Otm sheriff tho

I think it's worth talking about. Any topic that isnt about Trump is welcome

The election thread has become kind of insufferable. OMG WTF TRUMP *psychoanalyzes trump for the 14,000th time*

tbf omg wtf trump

otm

i'd be curious to know if keythkeyth is a trump fan. he was the most consistently on message republican poster back in the day

adam reminds me of a couple of irl friends who are curious, wide-ranging and articulate when it comes to cultural knowledge but immediately go into malfunctioning robot mode when trying to talk politics

didn't that cat like sarah records or whatever, how could a person like sarah records AND trump

adam reminds me of a couple of irl friends who are curious, wide-ranging and articulate when it comes to cultural knowledge but immediately go into malfunctioning robot mode when trying to talk politics

― he mea ole, he kanaka lapuwale (sciatica),

Also many other ilxors tbf

before the election's over (maybe during the debates?), ronald mcdonald will announce he's just been joking the whole time; he's really still a liberal (universal health care / free public college / pro-taxes/-choice/-divorce), and as the most effective unmasker of "conservative" hypocrisy in history, he deserves not just all of our votes but our thanks as well

nah. I was just listening to an interview with a guy who was going on about how close trump was to roy cohn. the nyt recently published an article on this subject.

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Not a Trump supporter but I wouldn't vote for Clinton either. Not really very active here and I missed most of the discussions during the primaries but the level of tone policing that's currently going on makes me uncomfortable with expressing my views most of the time here. Like the strings of defensive "OTM" comments that pop up when dissenting views are raised, it's really just redundant and otherwise serves mainly to create an echo chamber. Pretty much exactly the same as likes on FB or upvotes on Reddit.

I realize that some people's strident tone can grow tiresome, but I also feel a little defensive just reading those ideological purity threads, and I'm not really that invested here. I can see how someone who really identifies as an ILXor but doesn't necessarily agree with most of you on political matters could quickly be made to feel like every discussion about this is a personal siege.

tone policing?!?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/02/article-2409415-0A44B484000005DC-636_634x442.jpg

agree with viborg even though i am going to vote for hillary and might be one of the people you are talking about. i think a lot of this has to do with the fact that people are scared right now. they're not really in the mood to consider dissenting POVs because they just want to get through november and not have trump in office. most of what ppl are posting in these threads right now could be summed up as "oh god... oh god.... OH GOD.... no way he'll win.... oh god."

Thanks, Treeship. I definitely get that and it's also part of the reason why I usually just stay out of it.

the tone police
they live inside of my head

I don't really feel like ILX is an 'echo chamber', though, other than most of the posters in the US tend to be liberal. but there are definite gulfs between what everybody believes within that sphere. take for instance the Israel threads, there have been some heated debates there. I've been a liberal most of my adult life but I've learned a lot from these threads over the years, which is something an echo chamber doesn't really provide you.

there have been conservatives/libertarians here in the past, most of them that got clowned had to do more with the clumsy way in which they expressed themselves. though I will say I can't imagine people of either ilk feeling comfortable here - but to be fair, this isn't a politics board specifically.

i'd be curious to know if keythkeyth is a trump fan

pretty sure the answer to this is no way. my guess would be gary johnson.

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17 FPs

I didn't vote in this poll so chalk up another one for "other"

Huh

bad news, america. 23% of ilxors are voting for trump. (some of these definitely disingenuous/troll votes much like trump's irl support)

17 trolls vs. 17 v silent majoritarians