Jimy Williams FIRED!!

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Yes, yes, yes - after months of speculation and in-house catfighting, it finally happened. Check out ESPN.com for the skinny. If you're feeling lazy, click here.

Otis, Tracer, other baseball fans - fill it up!

David Raposa, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

More proof that Dan Duquette actually works for the Yankees.

tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tracer, you're nuts.

While I do have my doubts re: Mr. Duquette's compentancy as a general manager (Mike Lansing + Dante Bichette = oy vey, Rico Brogna = WTF?), Jimy wasn't exactly the grand savior that everyone makes him out to be. There have been quite a few games where Jimy's interpretive managing strategeries (pinch-hitting, not pinch-hitting, odd wholesame defensive changes) have cost the BoSox a game or two. And, really, if you're going to butt heads with the GM, make sure you have a leg to stand on.

The reason the BoSox have made the playoffs the past 2 years, and are still in the ever-enthralling wildcard race (ho hum) this years is due to their pitching, and the success of their pitching is due to Joe Kerrigan, their former pitching coach and NEW manager. Having Trot Nixon bat leadoff = smart move (since I do believe he has one of the team's higher OBPs, and you'd like your leadoff hitter to actually reach base once in a while). LEAVING him there = CLASSIC.

That said, the Red Sox have more issues to contend with than a manager that's been known to talk in circles. Like, for instance, their charming and well-spoken general manager *ahem*.

David Raposa, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is too bad; Jimy was one of the most entertainingly obscure managers out there (where do those lineups COME FROM? They had Hatteberg DHing in a game I was at!). I fail to see how a team that's only 2 games out of the wildcard, having lost one of the three best hitters in the AL for over half the season, and having a very good catcher and the most valuable player in the world on the DL, can be considered a disappointment. Duquette has done his job far more poorly over the years than Jimy's done his...Bichette, Lansing, O Leary, Offerman, Valentin, and Beck are all basically not that useful and are all WAY overpaid and untradeable. If Duquette has a problem with Jimy's lineups he shouldn't have acquired all this mediocrity to begin with. Jimy can't play Darren Lewis if he's in AAA or lost on waivers. Maybe Jimy doesn't have the patience to deal with certified lunatics like Everett and Alcantara but who the hell does? I don't think Jimy's a particularly good manager, but why couldn't they wait till the end of the season to do this? That organization is totally dysfunctional, top to bottom. They have three of the top five players in the league, excellent players at the three or the toughest positions to fill (SS, CF, and C), always some of the best pitching in the league, and still nothing goes right for them. The fucking Yankees shouldn't even make the playoffs this year, but this might ensure it.

Kris, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

JW: "hey carl you prolly should apologize for spitting at that pitcher"

DD (overhearing): "yer fired!"

everett slowly turns around and, seeing jimy trudging out of the clubhouse, breathes a wife-abusing sigh of relief.

jimy did need to go, at least for his own sanity. the duke not having a suggestion for a replacement tho, especially given the timing, is just horribly cruel. to us. (p.s. quietly rooting for felipe, who's not only the most respected man in baseball but has worked with pedro, joe kerrigan, and "oogie" in the past)

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jimy had to go. No question about that. Leave out the question of good/bad manager (and generally I thought he was an average manager overall), leave out all the wacky lineups and not playing Izzy and so on, and just look at the way the players and GM were totally at odds with him. Hard to operate in that kind of environment. We all knew he was gone after the season anyway, might as well try to fire up the team and salvage the season.

The only question is: Will Kerrigan be a good manager? I hope so, I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic. The players seem to respect him, and he's a stathead (a good thing in my book). Trot leading off followed by Nomar is a good idea. But he could turn out to be one of those great pitching coaches that makes a bad manager, so signing him to a two-year deal was pretty risky.

As for Duquette: he's acquired some crap but the Lowe/Varitek deal, locking up Pedro and Nomar for cheap, signing Manny, taking a chance on Hideo Nomo all point to an above-average GM. Arrojo deal looks good in retrospect too.

Ian White, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fuck Arrojo. He pitches brilliantly maybe one of every 4 appearances and the rest of the time it's like he's thinking about the ironing.

It's KERRIGAN?? Wow.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah,

Yeah, read all about it.

Re: Arrojo, he's not my favorite either, but a lot of players changed hands in that deal, and the only one who didn't turn out to be total human detrius is Arrojo. In Pedro's absence he's probably been the best starter, attention lapses and all.

Ian White, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kerrigan is obviously some kind of genius as a pitching coach, but making him manager will probably dilute his effectiveness in that regard. Unless he continues dealing with his reclamation projects, and just sends the best lineup out there and gets out of the way, which would probably be good. Am I the only one here who isn't a red sox fan?

Kris, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm a Red Sox fan by default, though I LOATHE the way Dan Duquette has handled the entire Jimy Williams era. Especially during the first big Carl Everett fracas - can't recall specifics, but Duquette sided with EVERETT when Carl was giving Jimy some smack (something about showing up late, or spitting on an umpire, or kicking a pregnant woman, I dunno). He has made some good moves, but has a horrible reputation, has a fetish for veterans (which is a 50-50 proposition), and is the epitome of the PR disaster. Watching him speak this afternoon before introducing Kerrigan reminded me of some of the folks in my Public Speaking classes that didn't do so well.

And, so far, the BoSox are beating the mighty Mariners, 2-0. David Cone (the most consistent Red Sox starter since the All-Star break) is pitching just well enough. Two solo homers (including one that Ichiro ALMOST took away from Jose "Bam Bam" Offerman). And the most excellent broadcasting duo of Sean McDonough and Jerry Remy are seriously (but judiciously) questioning Duquette's motivations behind this move (which leads me to believe that they'll be working for another team in the near future, if the Duke feels like putting his foot down again).

David Raposa, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kerrigan's record as Red Sox manager: 1-0

All aboard, all aboard the bandwagon... the bandwagon is leaving the station...

(And yeah, it's well-known that Duquette looks and acts like a serial killer pretty much all the time. They should hire a cute sock puppet to handle his interviews.)

Ian White, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When I heard the news about Williams I started trying to figure out some way the Indians could trade Charlie Manuel to the Red Sox and then bring Felipe Alou in to manage the rest of the season. Foiled again. . .

Jeff Wright, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What's wrong with Charlie Manuel?

Kris, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And what's with the Felipe Alou fetish? His track record ain't so hot - reputation is overrated, and the results suX0r.

David Raposa, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dan Duquette's a psycho. I mean, the guy's from western Massachusetts for fuck's sake. Not even psychos from western Mass like him. Everyone loves Sean McDonaugh and Jery Remy, they're twin institutions, they've been around my whole life, they're the only two people in the last twenty years to show loyalty to the Sox, and New England won't forget that. Touch them and we'll hog tie Duquette and call him ma'am, and that's only if we're out of tar and feathers. The Sox, if they're gonna continue to refuse to have their pitchers use the slide-step (like it even matters, this team's rotation's got some whack-ass stupid-slow wind-ups that no step's gonna fix), need some speed. I know that would go against Red Sox decorum and all, stealing bases being unseemly or whatever, but in the last 80 years, a Red Sox player has stolen 30 or more bases only 4 times (one of those 4 was our man Jery Remy), whereas it happened 11 times between 1901 and 1920, back when they used to win World Series. God bless the Sox though, the laziest team in sports 100 years running. Their problem is that what makes everyone love them is exactly what makes them lose. I wish they'd kept Williams around, I loved hating him. Kerrigan, whatever, he's a fucking pitching coach. Did they name him interim manager? He might be alright for the rest of the year, but keeping him longer than that would be a mistake. I hope they bring back Williams. Williams pissed people off. You can't have a good team without infighting, and you can't have the Red Sox without entertainingly obscure moves behind everything.

Otis Wheeler, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(And yeah, it's well-known that Duquette looks and acts like a serial killer pretty much all the time. They should hire a cute sock puppet to handle his interviews.)

Isn't the Pets.com dog available? That'd be classic. I'd become a fan instantaneously and follow them all around the country if that happened. Probably not, but still.

Alternately, they could hire Derek Jeter to give his interviews for him. I just wanted an excuse to say "Derek Jeter".

Ally, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Otis - if you want the "interpretive" old school style of managing, there's one man, and ONLY one man, that should be brought back into the fold.

Joe Morgan.

And, no, not the ESPN announcer / Reds 2nd baseman Joe Morgan. You folks know who I'm talking about. For whatever reason, I miss those days. No stolen bases, no Coke bottles, no JumboTronVision, crap pitching outside of Clemens & the occasional Boddicker "gem", and Ellis Burks would lead the team in homers with 18. And good ol' Joe, talking about baseball like he was talking about fishin'. Ah, those were the days...

If you folks are looking for a dose of the surreal in your sports broadcasting, and you live in the tri-state area, check out FoxSports New York during a Mets game. Ralph Kiner & Fran Healy on the play-by- play. It's like _Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead_, but with off- speed pitches and tobacco juice (and a tad less erudition).

David Raposa, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Manuel -- I'm sick of seeing the Indians go to sleep about June 15 every year. Maybe they wake up ('97), maybe they don't ('99, '00). With a $90M payroll, you better be right there at the end every year. And then there's his post-game interviews. . .

Charlie was John Hart's guy from the get-go. With Hart gone after this season, there's no one left to protect him -- if they don't make the WS this year, I expect him to go in the off-season. Joel Skinner (current 3B coach) is the manager-in-waiting, and is well- thought-of by everyone. Actually, the presence of Skinner would have stopped me from bringing Alou in before the presence of Manuel would have.

Jeff Wright, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They tried to get Alou but wouldn't give him enough years... so much for Duke's Montreal savoir-faire... I think Kerrigan's a genius tho and I'm all for it. Managers don't actually do very much anyway; the guys seem to like him and that's probably more important.

....Ichiro! Ichiro! Roll on, you Mariner machine!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Here's an "interesting" little piece, hypothesizing about Jimy's motives and motivation - click here.

And, for more ICHIRO!, click here. This might belong on the Godzilla thread, too.

David Raposa, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)


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