Taking Sides: Sinister v. Bowlie

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We _are_ going to want to hear tales of debauchery beyond very wild dreams indeed after the Madchester thing, though. Or we'll continue dissing Bowlie as a bunch of humourless little sods.

a general point - it's interesting how Sinister overlaps with here much more than Bowlie.

the Bowlie kids are much harder than the Sinister ones. I think the Bowlie meetup in Manchester is going to be frighteningly debauched.

Can't wait. *licks lips salaciously*

First off, I don't think this is an appropriate post for ILE. This isn't, as previous ones may have been, an explanation of what Sinister is, which people may or may not care about but at least it doesn't exclude them; this is specifically for a ghetto of people (maybe a dozen of us?), all of whom, apart from you, are people to whom Sinister has meant a great deal. I'm just not sure what you're trying to prove?

I'm not sure such a discssion should take place at all, except maybe in the pub. Only a very few grown-up people who have ample experience of both sides will be able to really argue the toss without descending into bickering, insults and unresearched diatribe. In fact, you may be the only one, which makes it about as solipsitic as you can get.

I started a post for Sinister responding to your stirring comment on the list on this subject. With the disclaimer that Most people here will not be interested in what I'm about to say, I might have a go at explaining what I mean on this thread, even if I don't think it should have existed in the first place.

Grown up people = thin on the ground in the first place.

I say: FITE!

DV, any response yourself?

I prefer Sinister.

Tell us some funny Bowlie injokes! Have you got anything about headscarfs/arse muscle nappies etc?

I fear that anyone checking Sarah's link and finding themselves looking at Roddd's improv comedy troop may just decide DV's won the argument. It's hard to explain how meeting gentle Rodddd at Heathrow Airport could have been such a beautiful thing.

Looking through the archives I saw a story by Chyrs Lynyrd. It ended with the lines "And then I wasn't a fox. I was Rod Begbie". And I laughed so loud I nearly bought a Roolz record!

? But maybe it was a good erroneous slur! *sticks pins in Stuart Murdoch voodoo doll*

I agree that the Bowlie board can be a bit humourless sometimes (cf. the "performance ethic" stuff on the Stuart fucking up lyrics whilst playing piano thread or whatever it is called.)

That said, Sinister isn't always a fun place either, although its where I feel more at home (& its the reason I know 9 of the people above).

i) Mark C, what are you like? what gives you the impression I don't like Sinister? I sub to it, and post to it now and then, and have been to Sinister meetups and met lovely Sinister people.

Grrrr, you are bad.

ii) as regards Bowlie & Sinister, well they're both G*R*A*T*E. The discussion board format means Bowlie is more chat oriented. I wonder if that's why less people from there have found there way here? I mean, how much chatting can you do.

I think the median age of subbers is younger on Bowlie, which is why I reckon the Bowlie get together will be a bit scarey, particularly given that everyone is staying in the same hotel.

I was going to say that there are more mentalists/obsessives on Sinister, but then I remembered the mad Bowlie dispute over whether it was a good or bad thing that B&S were rumoured to be doing a song with Angelina Jolie.

In what parallel universe could be seen to be a bad thing?

does anyone remember the Sinister post where Priscilla was on a plane that Angelina Jolie was on, and she got to sneak up to Ms Jolie's seat and snff her headrest?

Sarah, I'm going to Belgium tomorrow so it's definitely Tag-wah. You can even call me the Mighty Tag Wah, if you prefer.

Is Bowlie the list where Neil Robertson wrote to D*v*d K*tch*n and told him that the band crossed the road whenever they saw him? Or so I've been told. I prefer Sinister, even though I haven't been a part of it for three years or so. It drove me mad sometimes but it's reason I count several of the people above as good friends, not to mention playing a significant role in meeting the woman I love.

Blimey, another earthquake!

I vote Sinister for the same reasons as Tag. This 'Bowlie' thing sounds rubbish.

I vote Sinister for the same reasons as Tag. This 'Bowlie' thing sounds rubbish.

http://www.wimbledon-fc.co.uk/content/wifc/media/db/S25/80820.JPEG

Sing:

"Charles, Cha-arles Koppel
(ooh, AH!)
I wanna kno-o-o-ow
Why you're such a CUNT"

"Over in the world of the Bowlie Forum, there is a monster get together planned for Manchester in a few weeks. I think nearly everyone from These Islands is going. We're all going to stay in the same hotel and have key parties and riots and stuff. It will be cool, much cooler than anything this list has done in my time on it."

I know this is just your opinion (or rather prediction), and fair enough, but as a listee whose experience of Sinister dos is limited at best, what on earth inspired you to write it? To Sinister?

There are lots of bizarre people on Sinister, but by and large, we don't take ourselves too seriously (me being the exception to the rule, obv). Every experience I've had of Bowlie says that it's a bunch of well-meaning people with a passion for one band in particular and a seriously limited imagination. Oh no, two exceptions. 1: Nal and 2: you.

It's a shame that when I advertised Tigermilking on the Bowlie Boards, not one person actually came along as a result. WTF? Or rather, what a pity that people who almost certainly have a huge amount in common can't cross boundaries cos of a schism, as Tom rightly said.

It seems to me that any argument of this type will only deepen the mutual disdain between the two groups. as an active contributor to both, is there anything you could do to cause the opposite?

Okay, I'm sorry, and I'm sure most of you aren't reading this any more.

Maybe ILE will become a bit more sympathetic to Sinister as a whole if we serialise a number of its best posts. Complete works of Chris Leonard, anyone?

p.s. hello Tag! How are things?

Actually, come to think of it, a bit of mud-wrestling might be OK.

Bollocks to all this anyway. What we really want to know is, who paid £3,600 for Stuart Murdoch's old Granada?

(And were they on Bowlie or Sinister, tee hee?)

Thus Marxist Science proves that Bowlie is best.

Or does nomenclature count for nothing these days?

and now i'm spending all this week in the pub, grrr...

I attended a not very well organised Sinister meet-up this weekend, seeing Tag at The Clientele gig Friday & Mr Christopher & Mrs Julia Leonard at the Camera Obscura show on Saturday.

arrrr, ee's got me banged to rights.

Sinister people scare me, except for DV, because like Mr. Kitchen he is a Gentleman and scholar.

Sinister people are fun though because sometimes I steal their wine. I do the same from Bowlie people, but when I steal from Bowlies, you get the whole "look of love" effect, whereas I save my devious eyes for Sinister.

Bowlie as a word though is not taken from the festival name, but more as an antidote to hipsterism.

Indeed.

I met David Kitchen once and he seemed like a nice enough bloke. Eh... is that the reaction you were looking forward to?

I thought it would be worth saying the following.

Sinister possibly has ups and downs.

Perhaps surprisingly, it is possibly now having an up.

All these crazy old diamonds and crusted rockers are turning up on it.

You should have a look!

http://www.unctv.org/pressroom/jfk/images/AMEX3yearoldJFKjrSalutes.jpg

aw. Priscilla.

is ilx ready for the sheer volume of bowlie refugees once it closes down next month?

http://www.duncans.tv/images/villawood-detention-centre.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/news/reportsfromabroad/murray/gfx/berlin-wall-392-350.jpg

Time to get that perimeter fence up.

Unless this results in an influx of cute British indie girls who still wear hairslides in their hair, in which case I'm all for it.

I don't even know enough about Bowlie to respond to that. And here I thought it was a festival.

even if i didn't know about bowlie i would say yes to indie girls with hairslides

hey guys it's not 1996 anymore

Someone should tell Bowlie

http://www.mercuryloungenyc.com/u/i/4/2110bfc5.jpg

truth bomb

what the hell is a hairslide??

i dont know if bowlie will be able to handle the lol britisher backlash.

Hair slide:

http://www.kreepsville666.com/store/images/hair_accessories/krehairstargreen.jpg

my bowlie profile:

Date of Birth:
April 25, 1980
Age:
28
Biography:
taurus, single, open to new thigns
Location:
denver
Interests:
whales, fishies, movies twith bette midler, decroating gingger hoises
Occupation:
ticket tearer at the mall cinema
Music Of The Moment:
bozz scaggs, melisa ethridge
Books Of The Moment:
th new robert jordin book - he's a genis!!!
Films Of The Moment:
overboard - thats one of my faverites - 'born in east LA" - another faverite

http://www.bowlie.com/forum/customprofilepics/profilepic227_4.gif

Current Bowlie frontpage thread:

Be Random About Cats (2,345 posts, 47,559 views)

Is this one of those things that will be hilarious for 10 minutes and then spawn another sekrit bored where no Bowlies can go?

No more cats, take the cats away.

it was way more interesting when you can give people secret admirations. same with sinister crush votes.

a bit like excelsior too, i guess. except it's secret so you don't find out all the retarded unfunny shit other people get their excelsiors for.