Mark Twain: search and destroy

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I love Mark Twain but have not actually read much by him. So what should I read?

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Innocents Abroad, but look for the original unedited newspaper columns that the book was taken from. Nice to see how little changes about American tourists over the moons.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

uuurgh, dud, leaden prose, boys own adventure shite...

Geoff, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But something like Tom Sawyer packs in (admittedly around the corners) some hilariously satiric jibes at mainstream America and the dominant kultur of the book's setting. You can't claim something like that as simply boys' own dosh.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i can so....i probably just can't justify it, apart from saying i had to read his shit for uni and found it a bit of a toss really.

Geoff, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

huckleberry finn = one of my favorite books ever.

ethan, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What I really like is Letters From Earth, a collection of bits from everywhere whose centerpiece is Satan's letters back to heaven during his 1000-year banishment. "you'll never guess what they think of you down here," etc., very very funny. It also includes a thorough dismemberment of James Fenimore Cooper's reputation via a 3-page close reading of one paragraph from Last of the Mohicans - called something like "how not to write". Also an extended joke where he imagines that people could leave playing cards w/absent hosts rather than calling cards, and he runs thru the entire deck, parsing the subtle intentions each card could convey to its intended recipient.

But I've never read anything novel-length that seemed quite so brilliant. Maybe that's not his problem but mine.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For Geoff -- if some of the implied (or open) sentimentality of Twain sticks in your craw, try Ambrose Bierce, specifically the godlike Devil's Dictionary.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
a thread on twain should have more answers. perhaps there are some on ILB.

how central to the idea of the american canon is twain? is he taught in schools?

Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Saturday, 7 February 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I've read a lot ot Twain, including Christian Science, his attempt to get aboard the muckraking train, when that was the big, new popular trend. Against all expectations, he even made muckraking comparatively funny.

I can rank his books according to my own tastes, but there's nothing he wrote I'd destroy. No even Tom Sawyer Abroad, a stinker by Twain standards. Or Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc - one of my sister's favourites, but not mine.

As a western USAer, I love Roughing It best. Up there with it: Innocents Abroad, Huckleberry Finn, Life On the Mississippi. In the middle ranks: A Tramp Abroad, Following the Equator, The Mysterious Stranger and Other Tales, Tom Sawyer, and many of his short stories and occasional pieces. Also worthwhile: Puddinghead Wilson and 1601 (this used to be hard to get ahold of, but I think it is on the net now).

Aimless, Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely "Puddin' Head"?

Since I started this thread I got a book of short stories that are hit and miss. You can tell this is a guy who just loves to talk and sometimes he lets it get the better of his stories, he just keeps on going long after he's lost the big Mo. Two that stand out for me are 1) the story of a pocket watch that keeps breaking, and the clockmaker's increasingly complicated excuses and 2) the story of a "modern" alarm system whose peculiarities and shortcomings end up with thieves inevitably living inside Twain's house

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The last idea reminds me of lots of S. J. Perelman stories - that kind of structure is pretty much what I think of when I think of his writing. I had a book of Mark Twain stories years ago that was in such bad shape, each page fell out as I turned it. I could pretty much only read it the once. I'm going to get something of Twain's again when I go to the used bookstore next - thanks for reviving this thread!

jazz odysseus, Saturday, 7 February 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Same here Tracer, I think he's great, one of America's foundational classic authors, and still vital in many ways, but I've never finished so much as a book by him.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

eight years pass...

Fenimore Cooper's Literary Offenses

^ essential reading

Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 24 February 2012 06:36 (fourteen years ago)

'huck finn' gets better with every reread. it prob is the actual no-kidding 'great american novel.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 24 February 2012 06:45 (fourteen years ago)

Fenimore Cooper takedown has been praised to the skies. It makes some pretty decent points if you take it as lit crit, but it is better if you take it as a big ol' whiff of Essence of Twain.

Aimless, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:52 (fourteen years ago)

five years pass...

my man predicted president tom sawyer 140 years ago and here we are

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 4 December 2017 22:03 (eight years ago)

pap finn is p much the original trump voter

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 4 December 2017 22:23 (eight years ago)

the duke and the king = w/cheney; grangerfords v. shepherdson's = perpetual (non-advantaged) "conservative" v. "liberal" cold civil war. 'connecticut yankee' and 'the prince and the pauper' should be required reading at the moment imho

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 4 December 2017 23:14 (eight years ago)

two years pass...

I'm reading Tom Sawyer to my kids and my god it's fantastic. I think maybe Huck Finn is so famous and so feted that the OG gets a little underrated. The specificity of a country boy's life - set in a time some unspecified number of years before it's actually written - so, pre-Civil War, maybe? is just incredible. How can Twain have remembered all of that? All the secret codes of kids?

Twain gets a lot of mileage out of describing the most rough-and-tumble details in a high literary style but I'm.... here for it. My kids don't understand a lot of the more expensive words but they don't mind because they feel these situations, they know them. The triumphant, excited feeling when your brother gets caught doing something he shouldn't. Or the dramatic brooding that sets in when you're blamed unjustly. The pinch-bug. Tom's scheme to win a Bible. His aunt's gullible adoption of quack remedies and cures, and her subscription to periodicals that explain what frame of mind to have, and how to sleep, and how to eat, and how it all contradicts what the same publication said the previous month.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:04 (six years ago)

It is said with justice that all of American literature has its start in Twain. His only rival who might vie with him for that title is Washington Irving. But Twain is funnier, more vivid, has a more complete sense of the American language, captures human nature on a deeper level, and just has all around better chops. Even his worst, hackiest failures are worth reading for small excellences hidden amid the verbiage.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:32 (six years ago)

Part of what's so exhilarating about it for me is how these different registers jam up and rub against each other so shamelessly - church language, taunting, administrative-ese, parodies of high romance, etc. It's like being pinged around a pinball machine. And you turn a corner and suddenly there is quite serious bit of scene-setting or description of someone's inner state that's been properly hewn out of the fabric of something greater than all of us.

In Chapter XIII:

About midnight Tom arrived with a boiled ham and a few trifles, and stopped in a dense undergrowth on a small bluff overlooking the meeting-place. It was starlight, and very still. The mighty river lay like an ocean at rest. Tom listened for a moment, but no sound disturbed the quiet. Then he gave a low, distinct whistle. It was answered from under the bluff.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:49 (six years ago)

Now the raft was passing before the distant town. Two or three glimmering lights showed where it lay, peacefully sleeping, beyond the vague vast sweep of star-gemmed water, unconscious of the tremendous event that was happening.
(this is a joke; the tremendous event is Tom, Joe and Huck pretending to be pirates)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 February 2020 23:52 (six years ago)

Now the battle was at its highest. Under the ceaseless conflagration of lightning that flamed in the skies, everything below stood out in cleancut and shadowless distinctness: the bending trees, the billowy river, white with foam, the driving spray of spumeflakes, the dim outlines of the high bluffs on the other side, glimpsed through the drifting cloudrack and the slanting veil of rain. Every little while some giant tree yielded the fight and fell crashing through the younger growth; and the unflagging thunderpeals came now in ear-splitting explosive bursts, keen and sharp, and unspeakably appalling. The storm culminated in one matchless effort that seemed likely to tear the island to pieces, burn it up, drown it to the treetops, blow it away, and deafen every creature in it, all at one and the same moment. It was a wild night for homeless young heads to be out in.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 20:47 (six years ago)

Tracer how old are your kids? My dad read this to me back in the day and I’m itching to read it to my kids but they’re still really young.

Heez, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 22:56 (six years ago)

11 and 8

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 23:16 (six years ago)

Sweet just 8 more years

Heez, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 01:34 (six years ago)

lol

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 08:42 (six years ago)

If I ever had a kid I'm gonna read A Connecticut Yankee to it starting in the womb.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 10:06 (six years ago)

have had whatever, I'm no Twain

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 10:06 (six years ago)

eleven months pass...

lol is it wrong that the first thing I did when loading up this 14-year-old thread was Ctrl-F for my name and then breathe a sigh of relief when it said 'no results found'?

i've just received from my mom a USB stick containing audio recordings of my great-grandfather, who lived in georgia. i had no idea this recording existed, and i actually had no idea ANY recording of his voice ever existed. the whole thing's kind of blowing my mind. he's a pretty major figure in family lore - a professor of classics at emory university, coach of the baseball team, father of 8 children, husband to a pretty good local impressionist painter. he raised my grandmother as vaguely progressive methodist. anyway, i had known that bre'er rabbit stories were special in her family, on both sides. my mom’s father would read bre’er rabbit stories to my sister and i when we were little. anyway, that’s what’s on the USB stick. that’s what he’s reading - "br’er rabbit down the well." and, not to put too fine a point on it, it’s audio blackface. it’s something very few people, particularly white people, would ever do today. he does a good job of it. in fact it comes really naturally. he’s a great reader of it and he’s not struggling for grasp of the idiom. but it’s a weird artifact.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:45 (five years ago)

lol whoops wrong thread :) (i had DJP's 'racism' thread open!)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:45 (five years ago)


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