Hiroshige vs. Hokusai

Feel like Hiroshige takes this in a walk because the ilx massive is all going to declaim how played out The Great Wave Off Kanagawa is

and that's okay

hokusai depicted much more dynamic subjects, which makes his work seem more immediate even though he was a generation older than hiroshige. also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife

I mean...

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/73/c4/65/73c46534b0901a3e37db634cc91bdd59.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0a/8b/be/0a8bbee8f6d6219c4e42f1ede5bb8873.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/97/61/51/9761511704e72f120cae5defcfb7cfb1.jpg

There's probably somebody else who has made this argument way better: Hokusai is the iconic, canonical master of ukiyo-e, but Hiroshige was drawing all the best movie posters, before the movies, before posters.

the top one reminds me of van gogh, who of course was influenced by japanese woodcuts.

you do know van gogh actually straight up copied some of Hiroshige's work (and gave credit)

i knew a little bit about that. didn't remember that hiroshige was the specific artist he copied. also i wasn't told there'd be a quiz today.

(tbf I just learned that this evening because of this thread)

bro you started the quiz

For the Hiroshige camp (or anyone who loves ukiyo-e) - Taschen's edition of One Hundred Views of Edo is both inexpensive (like $20 for a full size reproduction fanfold silk bound edition) and sensational viewing.

It's a great edition. I'd love to have something similar for Hokusai, or other Hiroshige series.

Don't have to choose

In the landscape of spring, there is neither better nor worse. The flowering branches grow naturally, some long, some short...And that's okay

Famous Zen proverb.

I love when the woodgrain is visible in ukiyo-e. There's something pleasingly tangible about it, like you can feel the process of applying woodblock to paper in looking at the picture.

Bob Six and Zen otm

Hokusai all the way. If just for the Manga. Amazing.

The Hokusai show I caught a couple years ago in Paris was all time. Whatta master.

thanks for shouting out that "edo" book! just purchased

there are apparently two versions -- the $20 version is like 600 pages, while the $40 version i got is coffee-table sized and seems to include some descriptions of the works on the opposite pages

The large-dimension one is the one I have. I don't know what the deal is with those cheaper, smaller Taschen editions, whether it's the same exact content or what. I've been hesitant about buying any online.

Generally, if I'm buying an art book, I want the pictures as big as possible.

yeah that's part of the reason i went with the big one

Ah - actually I have the big one too, which is life size for the prints - apologies for the lazy Google on price. The big one is def the one to get.
The Edo-Tokyo museum has a full set of stages for one of these prints and there are like 16 steps with graded washes etc - apparently a range of ingenious workarounds for legal constraints on the number of colours, imposed by the Shogunate to restrict the display of wealth.

- which is why all the prints have their government approval marks in the margins.

Utagawa Hirokage, a student of Hiroshige - The Great Battle between the Fruits and Vegetables and the Fish

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hirokage_-_%28triptych%29_Great_battle_between_the_fruits_%26_vegetables_%26_fish_%28Aomono_sakana_gunzei_daikassen_no_zu%29%2C_1859.jpg

wow, whatever that fruit was in the middle panel there got rekt

I think the triangular beam in the centre and right panels is the large armoured squid shooting out smaller squids.

Large armoured octopus, rather.

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hirokage image the source material for 'sausage party'

whoa a Hokusai museum opened in Tokyo in November! I am going to Tokyo later this week, will try to check it out.

how the hell did this wind up with fewer votes than High Risk Merchant Categories

hirokage got robbed, I guess

http://hyperallergic.com/338813/nothing-is-off-limits-in-hirokages-humorous-ukiyo-e-prints/

Yikes...

Tsukioka Yoshitoshi - The Lonely House on Adachi Moor

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Adachi_Moor.jpg

lol thanks for that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onibaba_(folklore)#The_Transformation_of_the_Onibaba

http://bqspot.com/photo2014/2014-03-19-03.jpg

I went to an exhibition of "comical" works of Hirokage today in Harajuku. There were fart and poop jokes. It was excellent.

I will go to the Tokyo National Museum...tomorrow I think? maybe the Hokusai one too, if I've got the energy. though my friend here who is a connoisseur of ukiyo-e says that the Musée Guimet back home has a better collection of ukiyo-e than you can find in Japan, though Guimet is more generally an Asian art museum with gorgeous bodhisattvas and the like.

similarly the V&A in london has hundreds of the things in its catalogue. but they only show them about 6 at a time. i think you can ask nicely and get to see the others for 'study purposes' but i doubt us proles have a chance.

the British Museum Japanese Room is also handy.

Going to the Hokusai museum next weekend!

Nice! I will be spending a good part of the summer in Tokyo so I will try to go during this trip.

Has anyone heard of Tomikichiro? 20th c. print artist

http://www.ohmigallery.com/DB/Images/Tokuriki_Tomikichiro/Tokuriki_Tomikichiro-Soba_Vendor-010838-09-28-2010-10838-x800.jpg