Hiroshige vs. Hokusai

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The two best known masters of Japanese printmaking. One of them is better. One of them is worse.

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Hiroshige 5
Hokusai 1


Treeship, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:39 (nine years ago)

Feel like Hiroshige takes this in a walk because the ilx massive is all going to declaim how played out The Great Wave Off Kanagawa is

and that's okay

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:44 (nine years ago)

hokusai depicted much more dynamic subjects, which makes his work seem more immediate even though he was a generation older than hiroshige. also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife

Treeship, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:52 (nine years ago)

There's probably somebody else who has made this argument way better: Hokusai is the iconic, canonical master of ukiyo-e, but Hiroshige was drawing all the best movie posters, before the movies, before posters.

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:06 (nine years ago)

the top one reminds me of van gogh, who of course was influenced by japanese woodcuts.

Treeship, Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:19 (nine years ago)

you do know van gogh actually straight up copied some of Hiroshige's work (and gave credit)

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:23 (nine years ago)

i knew a little bit about that. didn't remember that hiroshige was the specific artist he copied. also i wasn't told there'd be a quiz today.

Treeship, Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:25 (nine years ago)

(tbf I just learned that this evening because of this thread)

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:25 (nine years ago)

bro you started the quiz

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:26 (nine years ago)

For the Hiroshige camp (or anyone who loves ukiyo-e) - Taschen's edition of One Hundred Views of Edo is both inexpensive (like $20 for a full size reproduction fanfold silk bound edition) and sensational viewing.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:53 (nine years ago)

It's a great edition. I'd love to have something similar for Hokusai, or other Hiroshige series.

jmm, Thursday, 22 December 2016 05:09 (nine years ago)

Don't have to choose

In the landscape of spring, there is neither better nor worse. The flowering branches grow naturally, some long, some short...And that's okay

Famous Zen proverb.

Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:31 (nine years ago)

I love when the woodgrain is visible in ukiyo-e. There's something pleasingly tangible about it, like you can feel the process of applying woodblock to paper in looking at the picture.

jmm, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:06 (nine years ago)

Bob Six and Zen otm

Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 December 2016 17:13 (nine years ago)

Hokusai all the way. If just for the Manga. Amazing.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 22 December 2016 17:22 (nine years ago)

The Hokusai show I caught a couple years ago in Paris was all time. Whatta master.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 22 December 2016 17:23 (nine years ago)

thanks for shouting out that "edo" book! just purchased

k3vin k., Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:12 (nine years ago)

there are apparently two versions -- the $20 version is like 600 pages, while the $40 version i got is coffee-table sized and seems to include some descriptions of the works on the opposite pages

k3vin k., Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:15 (nine years ago)

The large-dimension one is the one I have. I don't know what the deal is with those cheaper, smaller Taschen editions, whether it's the same exact content or what. I've been hesitant about buying any online.

jmm, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:25 (nine years ago)

Generally, if I'm buying an art book, I want the pictures as big as possible.

jmm, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:33 (nine years ago)

yeah that's part of the reason i went with the big one

k3vin k., Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:35 (nine years ago)

Ah - actually I have the big one too, which is life size for the prints - apologies for the lazy Google on price. The big one is def the one to get.
The Edo-Tokyo museum has a full set of stages for one of these prints and there are like 16 steps with graded washes etc - apparently a range of ingenious workarounds for legal constraints on the number of colours, imposed by the Shogunate to restrict the display of wealth.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:02 (nine years ago)

- which is why all the prints have their government approval marks in the margins.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:03 (nine years ago)

Utagawa Hirokage, a student of Hiroshige - The Great Battle between the Fruits and Vegetables and the Fish

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hirokage_-_%28triptych%29_Great_battle_between_the_fruits_%26_vegetables_%26_fish_%28Aomono_sakana_gunzei_daikassen_no_zu%29%2C_1859.jpg

jmm, Friday, 23 December 2016 18:17 (nine years ago)

wow, whatever that fruit was in the middle panel there got rekt

a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Friday, 23 December 2016 18:40 (nine years ago)

I think the triangular beam in the centre and right panels is the large armoured squid shooting out smaller squids.

jmm, Saturday, 24 December 2016 04:20 (nine years ago)

Large armoured octopus, rather.

jmm, Saturday, 24 December 2016 04:25 (nine years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 31 December 2016 00:01 (eight years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 1 January 2017 00:01 (eight years ago)

hirokage image the source material for 'sausage party'

||||||||, Sunday, 1 January 2017 00:39 (eight years ago)

whoa a Hokusai museum opened in Tokyo in November! I am going to Tokyo later this week, will try to check it out.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 1 January 2017 15:53 (eight years ago)

how the hell did this wind up with fewer votes than High Risk Merchant Categories

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Sunday, 1 January 2017 16:17 (eight years ago)

hirokage got robbed, I guess

http://hyperallergic.com/338813/nothing-is-off-limits-in-hirokages-humorous-ukiyo-e-prints/

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Sunday, 1 January 2017 17:38 (eight years ago)

Yikes...

Tsukioka Yoshitoshi - The Lonely House on Adachi Moor

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Adachi_Moor.jpg

jmm, Sunday, 1 January 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

lol thanks for that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onibaba_(folklore)#The_Transformation_of_the_Onibaba

http://bqspot.com/photo2014/2014-03-19-03.jpg

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:19 (eight years ago)

I went to an exhibition of "comical" works of Hirokage today in Harajuku. There were fart and poop jokes. It was excellent.

I will go to the Tokyo National Museum...tomorrow I think? maybe the Hokusai one too, if I've got the energy. though my friend here who is a connoisseur of ukiyo-e says that the Musée Guimet back home has a better collection of ukiyo-e than you can find in Japan, though Guimet is more generally an Asian art museum with gorgeous bodhisattvas and the like.

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 7 January 2017 13:32 (eight years ago)

similarly the V&A in london has hundreds of the things in its catalogue. but they only show them about 6 at a time. i think you can ask nicely and get to see the others for 'study purposes' but i doubt us proles have a chance.

the British Museum Japanese Room is also handy.

koogs, Saturday, 7 January 2017 17:39 (eight years ago)

three months pass...

Going to the Hokusai museum next weekend!

calstars, Sunday, 9 April 2017 18:41 (eight years ago)

Nice! I will be spending a good part of the summer in Tokyo so I will try to go during this trip.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 9 April 2017 20:46 (eight years ago)

four months pass...

Has anyone heard of Tomikichiro? 20th c. print artist

http://www.ohmigallery.com/DB/Images/Tokuriki_Tomikichiro/Tokuriki_Tomikichiro-Soba_Vendor-010838-09-28-2010-10838-x800.jpg

calstars, Friday, 11 August 2017 12:12 (eight years ago)


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