American Politics 2017: This Swamp Isn't Going To Drain Itself...

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Ted Cruz wants to limit Senators to two terms, and Reps to three: https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2940A

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:20 (eight years ago)

will never happen

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:21 (eight years ago)

term limits is such a bullshit policy

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:21 (eight years ago)

He doesn't really. He just wants credit for saying he does.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

Press Release, for those who don't want to click on a Cruz link:

Sen. Cruz and Rep. DeSantis Introduce Constitutional Amendment To Impose Term Limits On Members of Congress
AMENDMENT WOULD LIMIT SENATORS TO TWO TERMS, REPRESENTATIVES TO THREE TERMS

January 3, 2017 | 202-228-7561
WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) today proposed an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to impose term limits on members of Congress. The amendment would limit U.S. senators to two six-year terms and members of the U.S. House of Representatives to three two-year terms.

“D.C. is broken,” said Sen. Cruz. “The American people resoundingly agreed on Election Day, and President-elect Donald Trump has committed to putting government back to work for the American people. It is well past time to put an end to the cronyism and deceit that has transformed Washington into a graveyard of good intentions.”

Cruz continued: “The time is now for Congress, with the overwhelming support of the American people, to submit this constitutional amendment to the states for speedy ratification. With control of a decisive majority of the states, the House of Representatives, and the Senate, we have a responsibility to answer the voters’ call-to-action. We must deliver.”

“Term limits are the first step towards reforming Capitol Hill,” said Rep. DeSantis. “Eliminating the political elite and infusing Washington with new blood will restore the citizen legislature that our Founding Fathers envisioned. The American people have called for increased accountability and we must deliver. Senator Cruz has been instrumental in efforts to hold Congress accountable, and I look forward to working with him to implement term limits.”

“President Trump, Speaker Ryan and huge majorities of the American people are demanding term limits,” said U.S. Term Limits President Philip Blumel. “Congress must listen and pass the Cruz-DeSantis amendment immediately.

The enduring concept of a citizen legislature, of limiting unruly influence and abuse of power, and of promoting integrity and unclouded judgment in Washington through congressional term limits is a priority strongly supported by the American people. According to an October Rasmussen survey, 74 percent of Americans support establishing term limits for all members of Congress, while only 13 percent oppose term limits.

In December, Sen. Cruz and Rep. DeSantis published an op-ed in the Washington Post announcing their intention to introduce a term limits amendment in the 115th Congress.

The amendment was cosponsored in the Senate by Sens. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.), Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), Mike Lee (R-Utah), and David Perdue (R-Ga.)

PDF of Proposal

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:23 (eight years ago)

A 'citizen legislature' works fairly well when each representative has about 25,000 constituents or fewer. US congressional reps each have closer to 800,000 constituents.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 22:26 (eight years ago)

@CoreyRobin
Cuomo announces plan for free tuition for NYS residents attending state schools. What does it mean?

https://twitter.com/CoreyRobin/status/816316270161362944

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 23:28 (eight years ago)

...PSK?

Public schooling kash?

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 00:27 (eight years ago)

lol http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/steve-king-obamacare-supreme-court

GOP Bill Would Ban Supreme Court From Citing Its Own Obamacare Cases

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) hates Obamacare so much that he doesn't even want the Supreme Court to cite its own major Obamacare cases in future opinions, according to a bill he introduced Tuesday.

The bill itself list the names of major lawsuits the Affordable Care Act has faced at the Supreme Court and bars them "from citation for the purpose of precedence in all future cases."

"It was my first order of business on the morning after ObamaCare passed into law, March 24, 2010, to draft and introduce my full, 100% repeal of ObamaCare," King said in a press release announcing the legislation. "By prohibiting the Supreme Court from citing ObamaCare cases, we will be truly eradicating this unconstitutional policy from all three branches of government so that the repeal will be complete."

The bill claims that "Under Article 3, Section 2" Congress is allowed to "to provide exceptions and regulations for Supreme Court consideration of cases and controversies."

The proposal had the health care law world "chuckling," according to Timothy Jost, a health law specialist at the Washington and Lee University.

"He obviously hasn't read these opinions," Jost said. He pointed to National Federation of Independent Businesses v. Sebelius, which Jost said "contained very strong statements about state rights;" King v. Burwell, which "included language in which the court basically limited deference to administrative agencies;" and Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which "was all about religious liberty."

"These are three precedents that one would think Representative King would affirm very strongly," Jost said.

marcos, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 15:00 (eight years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/01/03/house-gop-rules-change-would-make-it-easier-to-sell-off-federal-land/?utm_term=.2d728c1aab38

House GOP rules change will make it easier to sell off federal land

By Juliet Eilperin January 3 at 5:41 PM

House Republicans on Tuesday changed the way Congress calculates the cost of transferring federal lands to the states and other entities, a move that will make it easier for members of the new Congress to cede federal control of public lands.

The provision, included as part as a larger rules package the House approved by a vote of 233 to 190 during its first day in session, highlights the extent to which some congressional Republicans hope to change longstanding rules now that the GOP will control the executive and the legislative branches starting Jan. 20.

Many Republicans, including House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Rob Bishop (R-Utah), have been pushing to hand over large areas of federal land to state and local authorities, on the grounds that they will be more responsive to the concerns of local residents.

House Natural Resources Committee spokeswoman Molly Block said in a statement that “in many cases federal lands create a significant burden for the surrounding communities,” because they cannot be taxed and can be “in disrepair.”

“Allowing communities to actually manage and use these lands will generate not only state and local income tax, but also federal income tax revenues” she added, as well as reduce the need for some federally-supported payments. “Unfortunately, current budget practices do not fully recognize these benefits, making it very difficult for non-controversial land transfers between governmental entities for public use and other reasons to happen.”

But many Democrats argue that these lands should be managed on behalf of all Americans, not just those living nearby, and warn that cash-strapped state and local officials might sell these parcels to developers.

Under current Congressional Budget Office accounting rules, any transfer of federal land that generates revenue for the U.S. Treasury — whether through energy extraction, logging, grazing or other activities — has a cost. If lawmakers wanted to give such land to a state, local government or tribe, they would have to account for that loss in expected cash flow.

Bishop authored language in the new rules package that would overturn that requirment, saying any such transfers “shall not be considered as providing new budget authority, decreasing revenues, increasing mandatory spending, or increasing outlays.”

Rep. Raul Grijalva (Ariz.), the top Democrat on the Natural Resources Committee, sent a letter Tuesday to fellow Democrats urging them to oppose the rules package on the basis of that proposal.

“The House Republican plan to give away America’s public lands for free is outrageous and absurd,” Grijalva said in a statement. “This proposed rule change would make it easier to implement this plan by allowing the Congress to give away every single piece of property we own, for free, and pretend we have lost nothing of any value. Not only is this fiscally irresponsible, but it is also a flagrant attack on places and resources valued and beloved by the American people.”

Environmental groups were quick to criticize the move.

Alan Rowsome, senior government relations director for The Wilderness Society, said in a statement, “Right out of the gate, Congressional Republicans are declaring open season on federal lands… This is not Theodore Roosevelt-style governing, this move paves the way for a wholesale giveaway of our American hunting, fishing and camping lands that belong to us all.”

The immediate impact of the rules change is that lawmakers cannot raise a budgetary point of order if a land transfer bill comes to the floor. Under existing House rules, any measure that costs the U.S. Treasury money must be offset by either budget cuts or a revenue-raising provision.

While the official GOP platform endorses the idea of transferring federal land to the states, neither President-elect Donald Trump nor Rep. Ryan Zinke (R-Mont.), his pick to head the Interior Department, embrace that approach. Zinke quit his post as a GOP convention delegate this past summer over the issue, and Trump expressed opposition to the concept a year ago in an interview with Field & Stream magazine.

“I mean, are they going to sell if they get into a little bit of trouble?” he said at the time. “And I don’t think it’s something that should be sold. We have to be great stewards of this land. This is magnificent land.”

The overall rules package became ensnared in a controversy over a different provision, which would have eliminated an independent congressional ethics office. But once that part of the package was removed, the measure passed on a largely party-line vote.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

fuck I hate everything about these pricks

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:37 (eight years ago)

Like maggots slowly nibbling away at a corpse.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:41 (eight years ago)

This seems like a good time to start the habit of writing your congressional representatives, in order to let them know how deeply alarming you find this reckless disregard for responsible governance. This will just be the first of dozens of opportunities in the next half year and it is never too early to get started on forming good habits.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

I heard retiring congressman Steve Israel (a scumbag, admittedly) say something I agree with in a radio interview two weeks ago: SHOW UP AND YELL AT TOWN MEETINGS > writing/phoning. Time for lefty Tea Party stuff.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:52 (eight years ago)

p much

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:56 (eight years ago)

at the risk of sounding politically disengaged, I always wonder about the effectiveness of this considering that my congresswoman is Barbara Lee. She's going to be opposed to this stuff no matter what - are letters from her Bay Area constituents going to have much effect? I mean, I guess I should write so there is some documentation to support the argument.

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)

the last time I wrote my representatives was during the weeks leading to the iraq war

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:59 (eight years ago)

CNN: McConnell: "The American people simply will not tolerate" Democrats blocking Trump's SCOTUS nominee

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/816727208538542080

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:03 (eight years ago)

lol the america people can tolerate a shit ton iirc

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:04 (eight years ago)

in the same vein - from a politico article about confirmation:

Added Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas: “The Senate can stay in session around the clock; we can stay through the weekend. If (Democrats) want to stay here and demonstrate that they’re obstructionists rather than try to work in good faith … then I think they’ll pay a price for that.”

lol no

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:06 (eight years ago)

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/816736373956890624

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:20 (eight years ago)

lol no

the difference is that when republicans obstructed, the media played it down, but when the dems try it, the media will scream and rage and ask where the outrage is. this works exactly as intended with the casual audience who only listens to news with one ear and half a mind.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)

the difference is that when republicans obstructed, the media played it down, but when the dems try it, the media will scream and rage and ask where the outrage is.

none of this is true

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:30 (eight years ago)

The bully reels back in stunned amazement when he learns that his victim is also in possession of fists and is willing to use them.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:39 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/NlEeUnX.png
https://i.imgur.com/cDnPTKb.png

go bernie

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 21:32 (eight years ago)

Dude in WA State trying to
criminalize protests or any sort of action:

http://www.lyndentribune.com/news/ericksen-files-bill-adding-penalties-for-economic-disruption-acts/article_133b241c-c78f-11e6-b773-d72b009f73b9.html

OLYMPIA — Sen. Doug Ericksen, R-Ferndale, has introduced his Preventing Economic Disruption Act (PEDA) for consideration during the 2017 legislative session.

The measure targets illegal activities that aim to create economic harm by impeding legally permitted economic activities. It allows prosecuting attorneys to file special charges that increase penalties for misdemeanors and felonies.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:29 (eight years ago)

what could possibly go worng

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:41 (eight years ago)

forcing ppl to buy New Balances

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:45 (eight years ago)

WA GOP senators introduce all kinds of hilarious nonsense, fortunately we still have a Democratic technocrat for governor

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:13 (eight years ago)

Demechnocrats

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 5 January 2017 01:20 (eight years ago)

WA GOP senators introduce all kinds of hilarious nonsense, fortunately we still have a Democratic technocrat for governor

where do i remember this dynamic from

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 06:00 (eight years ago)

whats the different between the Trump thread and this one

flopson, Thursday, 5 January 2017 06:01 (eight years ago)

the trump thread is about urban planning

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 06:06 (eight years ago)

whats the different between the Trump thread and this one

Trump thread is specific to Trump's actions. This thread is more to cover Congress and all the states governments. The Supreme Court has its own thread.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 5 January 2017 06:26 (eight years ago)

Trump thread will also be off and on about why Hilldawg lost.

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 January 2017 06:34 (eight years ago)

http://assets.amuniversal.com/e7b62920b56b01342acb005056a9545d

daaaaaamn

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Thursday, 5 January 2017 13:30 (eight years ago)

HO

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2017 13:33 (eight years ago)

yeah this thread should be locked. the "trump thread is the federal us politics thread

k3vin k., Thursday, 5 January 2017 13:38 (eight years ago)

There are still 50 states with their own politics, some of which matter outside that state, because similar dynamics on similar issues are playing out everywhere else, too.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 5 January 2017 19:46 (eight years ago)

This is not the federal politics thread

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 January 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

oh crap

House Republicans this week reinstated an arcane procedural rule that enables lawmakers to reach deep into the budget and slash the pay of an individual federal worker — down to $1 — a move that threatens to upend the 130-year-old civil service.

The Holman Rule, named after an Indiana congressman who devised it in 1876, empowers any member of Congress to propose amending an appropriations bill to single out a government employee or cut a specific program.

The use of the rule would not be simple; a majority of the House and the Senate would still have to approve any such amendment. At the same time, opponents and supporters agree that the work of 2.1 million civil servants, designed to be insulated from politics, is now vulnerable to the whims of elected officials....

Democrats and federal employee unions say the provision, which one called the “Armageddon Rule,” could prove alarming to the federal workforce because it comes in combination with President-elect Donald Trump’s criticism of the Washington bureaucracy, his call for a freeze on government hiring and his nomination of Cabinet secretaries who in some cases seem to be at odds with the mission of the agencies they would lead.

“This is part of a very chilling theme that federal workers are seeing right now,” said Maureen Gilman, legislative director for the National Treasury Employees Union, which represents 150,000 federal employees.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/house-republicans-revive-obscure-rule-that-could-allow-them-to-slash-the-pay-of-individual-federal-workers-to-1/2017/01/04/4e80c990-d2b2-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 January 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)

yeah this is insane

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 January 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

(afaik the Trump thread is sposed to be about the executive branch)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 January 2017 17:34 (eight years ago)

we've always done legislative and executive branch discussions in the "politics thread" (which is what the trump thread is afaict) and supreme court stuff in the supreme court thread, no?

k3vin k., Friday, 6 January 2017 17:36 (eight years ago)

take it to the federal civil employee thread, jackass

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 6 January 2017 17:39 (eight years ago)

#sarcasm

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 6 January 2017 17:39 (eight years ago)

so how does one exactly measure 'political capital' and how much is trump flushing down the toilet by fighting this tooth and nail before he's even sworn in? I'm hoping tillerson and sessions also make a dent in it too.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 6 January 2017 17:40 (eight years ago)

Trump only has to worry about the measurements of the beautiful new hotel he's built in the political capital (sic).

Dr. Shitfuck (Old Lunch), Friday, 6 January 2017 17:58 (eight years ago)

Trump loyalist chosen as Ohio GOP chair over Kasich-backed candidate: http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2017/01/jane_timken_elected_ohio_repub.html

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Friday, 6 January 2017 18:05 (eight years ago)

https://twitter.com/gundamman/status/817140206868410368

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 6 January 2017 20:44 (eight years ago)

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/texas-legislator-shot-in-head-by-celebratory-gunfire-wants-stricter-penalties-9085224

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 7 January 2017 07:29 (eight years ago)

maybe he'll get pregnant next

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 7 January 2017 17:43 (eight years ago)

I know/think? people on this thread are super over the whole "Trump the Russian patsy" thing but wow his tweets today are pretty shocking for a Republican pres-elect

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 7 January 2017 18:02 (eight years ago)

I'm not over it, but y'know

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Saturday, 7 January 2017 18:05 (eight years ago)

Dont read his tweets

Οὖτις, Saturday, 7 January 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)

have you heard of the retweet function, it's quite amazing

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 7 January 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

It's really quite extraordinary. This is what press releases are for, not weird piecemeal twitter rants.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 January 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)


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