Feminists - search and destroy

Also: who was thrown under the bus and did they deserve it?

this seems like a good idea

I hope so

Surprised there wasn't already such a thread.

were you really, though

Uhhh. How about go fuck yourself?

(Not you, DJP)

Aren't these threads always about looking for good stuff? People don't want to find good feminist writers?

This common ilx-term sounds awfully 8channy all of a sudden...

Hahahahahahahahaha!

Thanks, RAG. Needed a laugh today.

I thought we were all familiar enough with "search and destroy"?

People: search and destroy

Most of us are familiar enough with the concept of "connotation" as well as current events to know that starting a thread called "Feminists - search and destroy" is not going to be particularly well-received in the best of times, let alone barely an hour after Donald Trump has been inaugurated as the leader of one of the most powerful nations in the world. I would have said "all" but we have here empirical evidence that would prove me wrong.

Search: Abigail Scott Duniway, Oregon's own leading suffragette. She agitated for the vote and for women's rights 40 years before Oregon granted women the vote in 1912, eight years before the 19th Amendment was passed.

Destroy: proto-feminist Carrie Nation, who organized women in the cause of "temperance". Here she is with her trademark hatchet:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Carrie_Nation.jpg

Sorry if the destroy part seemed unnecessary but I assumed you might file Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers under that.

Could mods elete the "and destroy" part? If it's really going to make the wrong impression.

'Feminists - search' doesn't really sound too great either.

Feminists - S/D. Even Search/Destroy. S or D. In a post-GamerGate world, where women at times have to go underground due to internet-organized campaigns of abuse, this thread title is also freaking me out.

best

Classic or Dud would have been slightly less offensive but only slightly

also this thread is really not necessary in general

Feminist Theory & "Women's Issues" Discussion Thread: All Gender Identities Are Encouraged To Participate
Feminism: C or D?
Men banging on sanctimoniously about feminism and/or sexism: classic or dud?
Radical Feminism: Discuss

I'm really sorry guys, I was genuinely interested because I was tired of all the anti-feminist assholes I've been seeing recently and apparently now I look like one of them. I didn't think of how it might look to people who weren't familiar with the "search and destroy" format.

wow outic thinks we dont need to talk about feminism nice

Οὖτις- I wanted a thread specifically about finding writers.

I think we're willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that this was just poorly worded, but you could have just put "writers" in the title

not all feminists are writers etc

search: me
destroy: my mom's cat

#notallfeminists

This is a good teaching moment, RAG. Take yer lumps and try to understand why the lumps are happening and then, yes, once the thread title has been changed let's all discuss and recommend some good feminist writers.

Feminists: Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

Uhm, so should we just go ahead and recommend some or just wait for a bit

What are feminists and can we eat them?

thread for contemplating the serious issues raised by the Feminist movement

Uhm, so should we just go ahead and recommend some or just wait for a bit

― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 20 January 2017 18:44

Please recommend some.

my favorites are all sci-fi writers lol

Οὖτις- How To Suppress Women's Writing by Joanna Russ?

Russ is good. LeGuin, Tiptree, Emshwiller.

Are you talking about their fiction, non-fiction or both?

both although I don't think Tiptree ever wrote any non-fiction (dunno about Emshwiller)

Yeah, LeGuin, Butler, Joanna Russ' _The Female Man_

I think this was recommended on ILX last summer. I checked out bell hooks' _The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love_ ,and it's better-written, more empathetic, and caring than the vast majority of her most vocal supporters on social media.

When I mentioned people being thrown under the bus I was referring to important feminists who are seen by some as incompatible with modern feminism and perhaps their achievements aren't taken seriously enough.
Don't want to talk too much about science fiction but this is mainly where I've seen that complaint. Outside of a few authors like LeGuin and Octavia Butler, a lot of young SF feminists don't seem interested in earlier feminist SF.

I'm really sorry guys, I was genuinely interested because I was tired of all the anti-feminist assholes I've been seeing recently and apparently now I look like one of them. I didn't think of how it might look to people who weren't familiar with the "search and destroy" format.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, January 20, 2017 6:31 PM (one hour ago)

I am very familiar with the Search & Destroy format, thanks for mansplaining tho. I also don't think we need any more forums for pitting women against each other and seeing how they measure up. If you want a recommendations thread then don't do an S/D, do a recommendations thread.

And if you want to talk about past history of feminism and the way the movement does or does not include certain women, start a thread about that instead of being super-reductionist. Though tbh I'm not really sure the bunch of majority white dudes that make up ilx are a particularly great demographic to be seeking wisdom about this from.

*pulls down brim of fedora, storms out of thread*

I vote for locking the thread and letting RAG start a new one with a title closer to the intended theme, if indeed it's "recommend me some great feminist writers/texts" or something. Would be a shame if that format did catch on with this thread, but the title (which really is bad, sorry RAG) put people off, or even just if we had to wade through this opening spell when reading back over it.

ditto 1 million times everything emil.y said

lol today of all days to start this stupid thread.

I think Doctor Casino has a good idea. If we just changed the title it would make the opening posts very confusing, so I'll lock this one. RAG, feel free to start a new thread closer to what you say you wanted.