All Series Must Die (Which Is Why There Are New Ones) -- The Game of Thrones Series Spinoffs

Talk about going all in:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/hbo-and-george-r-r-martin-are-developing-four-game-of-1794928697

While we’ve known for awhile that there was a possibility of a prequel series, this is a lot more of a commitment than we’d previously heard. According to IGN, David Benioff and David Weiss will be on board all four of the projects, with George R.R. Martin helping to write two of them. Jane Goldman (Kingsman: The Secret Service) and Carly Wray (The Leftovers) each have a project with him. The other two shows will be written by Max Borenstein (Kong: Skull Island) and Brian Helgeland (LA: Confidential).

At this point I am now fully convinced he won't bother finishing the book series.

seems a good bet

Tales from the Stoneheart
Sewing with Sansa
Cleganebowl annual events
Fear the Game of Thrones

too bad ian mcshane is busy at the moment

please let someone interesting get to do the music for at least one of these.

(NB djawadi has improved over time but still)

Seems like the only memorable thing he did was the main theme.

The Light of the Seven, the piece that was playing under Cersei's grand plan in the beginning of the most recent season finale, is pretty cool.

https://youtu.be/pS-gbqbVd8c

Is there going to be a Sand Snakes spinoff on TNT?

thats the sound of a thousand fantasy writers re-purposing their nerdy ass shit to be used as GoT spinoff material

And then after a season or two they all team up in Game of Thrones Defenders and beat up Finn Jones one more time.

Oh I'm sorry -- five, not four.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/536859.html

I kinda love how he goes into deep detail on all this and then at the bottom in a bigger font size and all caps goes

I AM STILL WORKING ON WINDS OF WINTER

No doubt.

And as for how many of these will come to fruition:

Some of the reports of these developments seem to suggest that HBO might be adding four successor shows to the schedule to replace GAME OF THRONES. Decades of experience in television and film have taught me that nothing is ever really certain... but I do think it's very unlikely that we'll be getting four (or five) series. At least not immediately. What we do have here is an order for four -- now five -- pilot scripts. How many pilots will be filmed, and how many series might come out of that, remains to be seen. (If we do get five series on the air, I might have to change my name to Dick Direwolf).

Some stuff

https://grrm.livejournal.com/550336.html

bryan seems like a hardworking, productive guy. how is he at writing books?

after last season, I am about as excited about seeing a game of thrones spinoff season as i am to see the next star wars movie

um yesssss

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbkxnp/hbos-game-of-thrones-prequel-the-long-night-george-rr-martin-vgtrn

GRRM:

Yes, this is a prequel, not a sequel. None of the characters or actors from GAME OF THRONES will appear in the new show. All of the successor shows we’ve been developing have been prequels, as I have mentioned before. This one really puts the PRE in prequel, since it is set not ninety years before GAME OF THRONES (like Dunk & Egg), or a few hundred years, but rather ten thousand years (well, assuming the oral histories of the First Men are accurate, but there are maesters at the Citadel who insist it has only been half that long). We’re very early in the process, of course, with the pilot order just in, so we don’t have a director yet, or a cast, or a location, or even a title. (My vote would be THE LONG NIGHT, which says it all, but I’d be surprised if that’s where we end up. More likely HBO will want to work the phrase “game of thrones” in there somewhere. We’ll know sooner or later)

dunno, but this sounds badass to me

"Thousands of years ago, there came a night that lasted a generation," Old Nan explained to Bran back in GoT's first season. "Kings froze to death in their castles, same as the shepherds in their huts. And women smothered their babies rather than see them starve, and wept, and felt the tears freeze on their cheeks... In that darkness, the White Walkers came for the first time. They swept through cities and kingdoms, riding their dead horses, hunting with their packs of pale spiders, big as hounds."

Jane Goldman as showrunner is...not promising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNwwt25mheo

i guess the dragons are still rendering

matt smith? being scary? i always find that so unnerving because he seems like the kind of non-threatening doofus who furiously resents being a non-threatening doofus and then blows up a town.

I mean, without real time source material to contend with, this might be solid.

The source material was basically what made GoT good, though.

this does have source material—it’s based off the biggest section martin’s fire and blood, which is a history of the targaryen family, plus a few short stories that go into more detail, like “the princess and the queen”

Oh right, it might be good then.

My point was more about the “real time” descriptor, meaning they won’t be outpacing them source material during the run and have to scramble to tie shit together. Okay

lol stupid phone added the stray “Okay”

Yes, if based on completed GRRM material it probably will be decent (though of course I've personally yet to see evidence that he can conclude an epic fantasy story in a satisfying manner).

the story they're planning to tell here def has an ending, and a bit of a scouring of the shire-style epilogue which i doubt they'll include

Really enjoyed the first episode of House of the Dragon. Definitely up for lots more political machinations in this world. The young girl Targaryen was very good and Matt Smith looks like he's having (and will be) lots of fun.

Pretty wild - if not surprising - that the original show has finished and we now have the spin off and still no new book has been published.

forgot about this thread. there was a little discussion about it on the "but is it on netflix" thread. fully expect this spinoff series to end before the next book arrives

i'm debating about whether i should go back and read fire & blood again or just let the series surprise me. idk if i can resist lol

Rhaenyra looks eerily like John Mulaney imo? Am I crazy?

Thought the first episode was entertaining enough. I hope they find ways to broaden the sense of the world beyond just the inner turmoil of the Targaryens. My favorite thing about the GOT books and HBO series was the way the world kept getting bigger throughout them. So I hope we get scenes in the free cities and so forth.

xp i will never unsee that lol

I sort of got Elrond of Rivendell vibes from Rhaenyra.

Just watched E2 and am enjoying very much. Most of my friends are still riding high on the whole “game of thrones sucks now” vibes from the end of the series - so feel like I’m going this alone

i found the first ep reprehensibly gratuitous in its sex, violence and exposition. like if an AI was fed all the episodes and told to make a spin off.

Ha! Much less of it in e2. But the weird sad orgy in e1 did feel very unnecessary. Like they thought people would complain if there wasn’t an ott brothel scene.
The violence was just right tho, imho

Yeah I was a bit put off by the half assed tavern orgy scene and the various gory bludgeonings, like OK we get it, you're reminding us what this show was all about before it went all Iceman Cometh.

what i ultimately liked about GoT at its best was how lore was told through plot, how battles became epic iliad-esque dips into hell, where the quiet moments presented opportunities for exploring character development and not chances to be even freakier, how the shifts in locale and different storylines gave natural narrative gear shifting. The sadism and tits were to be endured more than celebrated. Now its like everybody's joffrey. WTF would i wanna watch that for.
but of course i'll probably watch the 2nd ep. I'm a tv masochist.

there's no gore or sex in episode two so don't worry

there is the possibility of an incendiary incident – but let's not spoil things.

I'm not squeamish! It's just kinda boring and predictable.
I'll watch ep 2 before I complain too much more but the telegraphing of the story direction (and eventual red herrings) are coming fast and furious in episode 1. Gosh, i wonder if those cuts the king is getting on the iron throne might be a more serious problem than they appear?

i feel like that's not supposed to be a surprise? they've made it pretty obvious, as they literally talked about the gash on his back that isn't healing.

this first season is gonna be unlike anything else that has ever aired on tv. from what i can tell, this season is gonna cover roughly 30 years of westerosi history, and they can't really compress the timeline because there are characters who factor heavily into the coming conflict who haven't even been born yet lol

xp, of course; i'm just using that as an example. The birthing murder scene was also obvious from 80 feet away. Every character's presumed arc is being played to the rafters right now to the point where bad guys are twirling mustaches "but they aren't really BAD so much as they are machiavellian do you see"
Wake me when there's an interesting conversation.

xp

yes, I was browsing The World of Ice & Fire last night while I was watching this and counted 12 Targaryen kings between this one and Robert, so this series has quite a lot of ground to cover.

Is that their intention? How many season is this supposed to be?

they're planning to cover a period of history called "the dance of the dragons." i won't elaborate or spoil, but the period they're looking to cover is about three decades, not the 20 or so decades until robert's rebellion.

yeah I assume there will be yet another proposed series after this one that fills in some of the gaps. I had thought we'd see the mad king in this series but we are way way way early for that.

daemon's storyline did pay off, tho they could've probably taken one lest episode to play it out

Ulf calling for more ortolan ruled

Also, “do you know my cock was destroyed” almost an insanely inappropriately funny line for the way he just drops that bombshell and then compared it to a sausage exploding on a fire (!) Larys just kind of nodding along to that bombshell, probably wondering if he can bribe a maid for some of Alicent’s dirty socks or something.

i liked daemon's harrenhal adventure, don't get me wrong, i do think they could've used that time on other stories (mostly thinking of that one episode where he has a sex dream about his mom, yikes)

*some of that time

In terms of stories or plotlines that I wish they could have spent more time on (given the hypothetical posed by spending too much time on other plots)... I really wish Alyn's story could have progressed more than it did, although I *loved* his scene with Corlys in the finale. But aside from that I don't really think they overdid Daemon at the expense of something else. Everything has moved at more or less the pace it should. I just wanted some dragon fire, or a naval battle, or mass sword slaying, to make a more climactic conclusion.

I found myself quite confused by Alyn's bitter rant at Corlys at the end, because unless Ive not been paying attention, I dont recall any backstory to explain all that. He's Corlys's bastard is he? I must admit I'm terrible at keeping all the threads going in shows like these.

They’d been hinting at it for a bit

There's a scene in Episode 6 with Alyn diligently shaving off his white Valyrian white hair while Addam chides him for hiding it

Does anyone else think the cocky arsehole dragonrider guy is gunning for comeuppance btw? What a dick.

ooooh yeah, bit of a dick that one.

I missed it but apparently the trailer they showed prior to the finale last night included a glimpse of the other upcoming spin-off, A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

I think it's the other way around. I might've seen a spoiler or something to that extent, that he's some surprising hero while the other guy blows it. Or something.

I don't know, the dream thing, the winter etc etc. It's just the actual GoT series blew it's ending so bad, felt like the white walkers were just killed so easy that I find it hard to think anybody should be so worried about it at this point.

I loved the Alycent & Rhaenyra scene, great emotional punch for a season finale… lots of thread pulling which I love!!

But ffs could we not have plopped Jason Lannister & his mud wrestling in a previous episode? Like, ok, wee yes now they have ships etc i get that logistically important but honestly putting ALL that into THIS ep was maybe not the move imo zzzz

And yes, thx Aegon for the burst sausage overshare O_o

Brings a whole new meaning to “sausage sizzle”

sausages = ruined

Larys shouldve been all *cough* *loud chair scraping* ACTUALLY WHY DONT WE GIVE HIS HIGHNESS SOME MORE MILK OF THE POPPY

He asked for rum and they denied him, he just wants the sweet release of death and if not that let him get drunk dammit

Also, this show definitely seemed to push my Alicent/Rhaenyra agenda when Alicent was like, out of nowhere, RUN AWAY WITH ME. In an episode featuring a pirate queen from the free cities with multiple wives!

I was cutting up some burst half-cooked sausages just 10 mins ago and I regret that line did come back to haunt me :(

Should note, given the overall thread title, that we have the first snippets of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms as part of this coming attractions bit (this should take you right to it, 1:10 in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_fSOMJxgVk

(Alas the embed did not take you right to it, but yes, 1:10 into the overall clip.)

we live in ip hell

knight of a seven kingdoms should be good tho

a thousand xposts but Jason Lannister = Tyland Lannister obv
wtf my brain

I think you mean TyWON/Tyran/Tybob Lannister

TyFFSFUCKMYLIFE

*wife

lol

Jimmy Bob Lannister

A Good Ol' Boy of the Seven Kingdoms

can get you a great deal on a used boat

I'm cautiously optimistic about AKot7K, but I am very wary of a show that takes place 100 years after the current show and 100 years before the original show. Feeling boxed into the canonical storyline - which is the dire fate of most of the Star Wars franchise.

Yeah I’m keen to give it a go, i love these worlds & lore

Matt Smith is on another great run as queen-husband (cf The Crown, his prince philip was gr8)

really loved Daemon’s big scene in this finale w Rhaenyra, both actors really bring the dramz whenever they’re together
A+

I was starting to get irritated with Dr whosit and his castlevania nightmare adventures, so I was pleasantly suprised when he decided Rhaenyra deserved to run things after all. Was he purely convinced by the weirwood vision?

weeks of having to confront his inadequacy issues probably helped open him up to that - have taken to calling harrenhal daemon's therapy castle

honestly that whole storyline doesn't work without matt smith being good at matt smith speeches

agree that it was a good episode but a bad finale - if not a battle climax, felt like they should've closed with last week's ending shot of Rhaenyra standing with her three dragons at dragonstone

As a dumb aside my loathing for *googles IMDB cos I forget which name he has* Aemond is made hundredfold by how weird his face is. He has the profile of a cartoon villain from Wacky Races.

lmao

figured out that an easy way to remember aemond's name is that he's daemon with the d at the end. they both have long hair and look like the weird squished version of the other.

aemond, daemon & aegon i can manage, after that the wheels fall off

this show needs more different names. that said I can't remember the names of the ones that are differrent. corlys, I got...his wife? Rhaenyra's kids? No idea.

Rhaenyra and Rhaenys ok, but I'm always forgetting Rhaena, or "her who's not Baela and wants a dragon"

I’ve never really had this problem apart from infrequent characters (me: “Who the fuck is that fella hanging around with Criston Cole?”) but this is mainly because I watch with subtitles on so get to see the names as well as hear them.

Please to enjoy some casting news:

https://deadline.com/2024/08/a-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms-game-of-thrones-prequel-adds-cast-1236034665/

I have no idea who any of those people are

“the Daeron Targaryen in A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is a different Daeron from the one mentioned in HOTD)”

NOT HELPING

lol

A big interview about things

https://deadline.com/2025/02/house-of-the-dragon-season-3-game-of-thrones-spinoff-knight-renewed-1236285772/