The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

Well, shit.

And if some kind mod could change that to "stars" in the thread title so I look like less of an idiot in my haste that would be nice

welp

3+4 just went up, talk to you clowns in 3 hours

(1 extra for collecting myself, maybe)

same

God dammit, I won't be able to watch 3+4 until tomorrow so I'm steering clear until then. But man oh man the first two <3

Also the chromatics owe lunch at least $30

Oh fuck it we're watching 3 right now

God this day has been awesome

Lynch!

David

Love I

The evolution of the arm was genuinely unsettling and an elegant workaround given Michael J Anderson's instability of late, and the attempted passage out of the Lodge reminded me more strongly of the more abstract passages in Eraserhead than anything Lynch's done since. (I have to wait until tomorrow at least to watch episodes 3 and 4, so I'll be staying out of this thread until then.)

do I need to watch the original Twin Peaks before watching this

Yes

It won't make sense unless you've watched the series and Fire Walk with Me.

I mean, insofar as it makes sense so far.

Well sky are being slowcoaches about putting the next two up so I will just say

Loved what they did with the arm, I got huge eraserhead vibes too

The red room is as weird as ever but it feels a bit like some of the "good" lodge inhabitants are speaking a bit too plainly at times?

I guess they recast Jeffries & maybe maj Briggs too?!

?!?!?!?????!

James is cool

Oh & I was in bits @ log lady

Yes, very pleasantly surprised by how reminiscent of Eraserhead this was in places.

So...that was Jacques tending bar at the end, yes?

I think I laughed harder at "James is cool" than any other line in the first two episodes.

It definitely looked like Jacques!

Also, yes, the Log Lady scenes were heartbreaking.

I do appreciate that Lynch decided to not just maintain the continuity of having a bad Dale running free in the world but to completely upend any sense of fan service by making him irredeemably awful.

Matthew Lillard has aged worse than anyone who was on the show.

took me a minute to place it, but did the arm reminded me of the gamesters of triskelion

http://i.imgur.com/JvDohgA.jpg

Now tv still not coming through 😔 might have to go to bed!

The violence/horror in this was so upsetting tho I don't know that I want to sleep lol. The South Dakota & New York scenes are the stuff of nightmares

The palmer house is still a hellish place

A small part of me hopes Robert Forster's part in this is as large as his role in mulholland dr & we just get told he's gone fishin every week until the finale where he's in it for one minute

Btw Frank Silva was credited as BOB in pt 2, did I miss something?

i'm about to start 4. three was the best yet. this is....really something

xpost Just a brief repurposed scene of Bob and Doppelcooper in the Black Lodge from the final episode.

i guess the only grievance i have is the occasionally really artificial quality of the effects (and which is probably magnified for me by how this is filmed digitally) but even in this respect they remind me of lynch's animation

Ah god I have to bail if pt 3 chatter is starting up, fuckin rupert murdoch son of a bitch

Enjoy, those of you who can! :-)

I'm determined to wait on 3 and 4 until next week, so I'll probably be bowing out of here soon. I'm just still kinda reeling over this. It's actually happening, and so far it's actually exactly what I hoped for (a new Lynch project that actually feels like a natural progression from his recent work and that continues the story of Twin Peaks in ways that are completely unpredictable and that sears a number of unique and indelible moments onto my brain).

The thing that came out of the box, the other thing sitting on the prison bunk, the evolution of the arm, the various distortions within the Red Room...they're all already enshrined among the pantheon of unshakable Lynch imagery. And I'm only two effing hours in.

Oh, and MacLachlan squishing the old dude's face. Momentarily hilarious until you realize what ultimately occurred. That's our Lynch

Only watched up to episode 3 but shit, this is really good!

Straight up near cried during the Log Lady scenes...

What about goddamn Jerry Horne, btw! So much stuff I've already almost forgotten. I may need the week of downtime to rewatch.

hahahahahaha holy fucking shit @ cera

i just came here to say the same thing

Okay, yes, I'm out. You guys have fun and we can all talk about Cera next week.

my initial feeling is that it's like if you took every aspect of TP (except, notably, for the soapiness) and amplified it tenfold - the banal parts are more banal, the goofy bits are goofier, the infuriating bits are more infuriating, the surreal bits are much more intensely surreal.

i wanna celebrate a specific thing about episode three but i think i'll wait until tomorrow when more ppl have seen it

needless to say this is everything i could hope for

there's even a minor soapy moment wrt the principal and his wife! i loved it

yes that is true, felt like a brief resurrection of catherine

14 more hours of this doesn't seem like enough lol

14 more hours of mr. jackpots

brad can you give me a hint about the particular thing in ep 3

well now i can't remember if it was ep 3 or 4, but it's when bobby sees a picture

Critical scene: delivering shovels to Dr. Jacobi

I appreciated how disconnected and nearly unintellible the first episode was. But by the end of the second, it felt like all the strands were coming together. This show is truly uncompromising. Love it.

I imagine the room with the glass box is probably some wing in Lynch's house where he conducts his experiments with time and space.

only two episodes in, far far better than i was expecting. the cinematography in particular is staggering (except the weirdly conspicuous effects as bradnelson mentioned upthread). biggest distraction/downside so far is this is the whitest thing i've seen since the last australian thing i saw.

xp that entire scene with bobby outside the diner is peak Lynch horror.

I meant it honestly - but to clarify: I can’t imagine wanting to change a single thing about the return, there might be things people would have liked more of, or less of, which is fine, but it’s a personal preference and has no bearing on what Lynch wanted to produce. X post

Yeah it definitely has that White Album, warts and all, not everything is equally meaningful, but everything has its sacred place, kind of vibe for me.

Jim Belushi is “Piggies” I guess

Belushi was great in The Return!

He sure was!

Green glove guy can be Piggies, or Bungalow Bill maybe

Less Caleb Landry Jones would’ve been good!

(xposts) Okay. Even my very favourite films have something that nags at me--a supporting performance, a line, something--and they run two or three hours, not 18. And personal preference is always more important to me than whatever the artist did or didn't intend; I'm me, not David Lynch.

i think the point being personal preference is a different category to criticism that aims at the intent or execute of something

im as prone as anyone else not from finland to musing about how something could have been more perfectly tailored to my own special desires but thats a very different thing than opining whether an effort misses the mark it aims for, as a rule?

Especially true on a show full of scenes that aim for a kind of Dadaist anti-entertainment.

personally I think it's OK to not like something. especially if it sucks

otoh I often find myself thinking "call for help"

I'm either misunderstanding, or we just have a fundamental disagreement. I'm reading this as, The Return is so locked up in some private universe of David Lynch's making, it's immune from all criticism; you're welcome to criticize, but your criticism belongs to you and has no bearing to the show, which is perfect.

The 'ardware stowah

The clurk in the 'ardware stowah

xxp exactly! Lynch cannot fail, he can only be failed.

it is a good bit, never explain anything, if someone thinks it's rubbish it's because they don't get it. you can never fail. I am glad he stuck to that tbh. apart from that green glove guy, wtf was that

I don't know if I'll ever rewatch this. it is brilliant, and I do repeat things from it in my head a lot, but it's tied up with a lot of things I don't really want to revisit yet

I do associate with 2017 and being bummed by the start of Trump’s term

CP went through a family illness and loss at that time iirc

I just watched the bit where the gun goes off at the diner and it's just like "whoa okay. Whoa now what. Holy-- whoa okay yikes!"

That scene is mental.

Finished my third run of this with my partner and daughters. As before, it stirred vast currents below the surface and left me feeling profoundly uneasy and adrift.

Well that was a trip. Finished it tonight. I'd be ready to say as a complete work it outstripped even Mulholland Drive for me.

Still scratching my head about the final episode of course, but that's the idea I suppose.

Green glove kid is not good though. Every time he appeared on screen I could not take it seriously in any way

Knowing it was a fun thing he wanted to do with Jack Nance was helpful to me. Also helps lean into the "we live inside a dream" thesis.

Every time he appeared on screen I could not take it seriously in any way

just finished my rewatch and the green glove guy is fine. a really hilarious plot point

the only things that suck about the return are:
- the overwhelming misogyny
- the wigs

All of the Audrey thing is unfortunate. And boring.

that’s actually one of my favorite plotlines

it’s purgatory

For her or anyone watching?

I didn't know what to make of the Audrey stuff, it felt a bit thrown in at the end

it literally was. Fenn declined the original plotline that Frost & Lynch wrote (the Sylvia/Johnny scene was originally Audrey) and Lynch worked up something she found acceptable and shot it separately.

and it’s really good imo

Yeah I like Audrey's dreamstate universe. It is frustrating, in the same way as Dougie is frustrating, the denial of fan service. But Lynch liked playing with that kind of stuff.

what else was in the original plotline aside from the johnny/sylvia scene?

the last Audrey shot is pretty special

xp I dunno and I don’t wanna know! (just happened to rewatch ep 10 two days ago and remembered). I read her segments on first viewing as her still being in a coma after the bank explosion, but hearing / perceiving things outside and trying to process them while being confused by her powerlessness to act on anything.

(Having since seen a little about Frost’s, Fenn’s and Lynch’s individual readings on the scene/s, I expect to stick to my first take when I get there.)

this time through i am enormously enjoying the dougie sequences for and in themselves (not even a challops, i will explain all* when i complete the rewatch)

(also i like how evil coop's legs seem much longer than dougie's: i assume this is some tailoring trickery with where and how KM's respective costume jackets are cut but)

*(some, possibly)

no his legs are just longer

27 years spent sat in the lodge comfy chair will just do that to yr thighs (render them squishy)

I was just going through the credits and have no memory of Jeremy Davies or Moby being in this!

Moby played guitar during Rebekah Del Rio's set at the Roadhouse.

I'm not familiar with Jeremy Davies, other than his name, but I looked up his TP performance, and it shines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmuH1042AFo

Had to look it up but Jeremy Davies was one of the loan sharks Naomi Watts gave two barrels to in this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmuH1042AFo

Oh sorry, xpost

Watched Solaris again the other day with JD's twitchy performance

hes an incredible twitcher i love him

Tbh I think he might overdo it in Solaris

"Nevertheless, lady..."

Barely remember the first season and love FWWM. Started on the first two EPs over the weekend and loving it. How freaky is that glass box between the talk of coffee and Doughnuts? That's right.

Apparently there’s a documentary about the life and death of Catherine Coulson with various screenings in the next month or two: https://iknowcatherine.com/blogs/news/screenings

Halfway through. Loved the 1946-50s sequence and really enjoying it overall though that was unexpectedly cool to have it dropped in.

Which brings me to how different the pacing is. Lynch will give a particular scene a good 10-15 mins to play out. Really unlike any TV I've seen (though I've not watched much TV properly for a good decade).

Nine Inch Nails have been the worst band so far.

Three EPs from the end. The log lady's calls to the sheriff are really something else. What a character.