Itt guess whose sock The Sniper is

Squirrel Police

aren't we all the sniper, really?

I'm the sniper

Don't believe me? Watch this

Gentlemen, what you pansies are are a bunch of starving artistes who live off the kindness of the American government or mommy and daddy. You are angry at your own failings and struggle for survival, mock the GOP and ridicule its members, but when Republicans do it to the Democrats and you, you call out racism and class warfare.

You all yammer on like you do, but let me tell you this here message board is one kooky place with as many double standards as the Grand Old Party, which is why I voted TRUMP!

dom p. obv

Could Jay Batman be back

fuck socks

Ooh ooh I kno it's long-time poster Liam O'Flaherty

except for the booty cleaner

xp

Whatever else we do, we should definitely empty this entire 50 lb. bag of troll chow onto the back porch. He seems like a hungry lil guy, what's the harm.

the sniper has been a valuable poster on ILX for several years now

It would be nice to have a conservative around here who was willing to debate and (attempt to) explain fundamental tenets rather than lob some "lol u r all beta cucks, u suck, quit spending my tax $$$ and kill urself" squibs until getting banned. But I doubt Herr Sniper is that poster.

"lol u r all beta cucks, u suck, quit spending my tax $$$ and kill urself

tbf this is what conservatism is now

there are no "fundamental tenets"

Yeah but it's instructive/fun when they try.

Gimme a minute, I'll go over and ask a few people from Quora to sign up here

nabisco :)

i think it's fun, he should stick around a bit

It would be nice to have a conservative around here who was willing to debate and (attempt to) explain fundamental tenets rather than lob some "lol u r all beta cucks, u suck, quit spending my tax $$$ and kill urself" squibs until getting banned. But I doubt Herr Sniper is that poster.

― Cannibal Adderley (WilliamC), Monday, 10 July 2017 17:04 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rather akin to claiming you'd like a sparring ring at your gym when everyone knows you want a punchbag

That's the wider 'you' not specifically at yrself, but yknow.......ilx does not want this type of dissent and ilx will rid itself of this type of dissent regardless of how it is presented

Otm

you don't need a gung ho conservative either. if you want to engage with conservative ideas make a thread and call it "this thread is for good/reasonable conservative ideas & articles only" and then post stuff you find for discussion. there's plenty of good stuff out there. start a reading club on burke or schmitt. discuss hobbes or augustine or macintyre or whoever you think makes compelling cases for their ideas even tho you cannot ultimately sign on. if you literally cannot find a single intelligent or intelligible conservative writer/philosophy/politician consider that this is a flaw in yr own capacity for ideological diversity and not a failing in a millennia long historical political project.

Counterpoint: American conservatives are universally shitty, worthless people and fuck them all.

it's v hard to understand why intelligent thoughtful conservatives don't post here don't they know how awesome we are

Conservative tastes in music don't lead here.

I have reservations about trial lawyers and identity politics, but I'm still a long way from conservative. I think I found this place originally doing a search on "Killing Joke".

NB tbf I'm not even positing that there exists an adequate proponent for the shittiness of the current strain of American right currently in effect just saying that if there were they would not have any place on ilx except as an object to be converted else pilloried, not as someone to be engaged with in any curious or meaningful way.

^very honest post

ILXOR is not a place for conservatives it is barely a place for leftists. all roads lead to the centrist liberal company line here.

Intelligent thoughtful conservatives don't post here because unicorn hooves are too large for QWERTY keyboards.

Sanpaku OTM about finding the place to start with.

Eh, there's a higher percentage of leftists here than any forum I've seen not specifically dedicated to leftist politics.

but let's be honest we have a lot more leftists and liberals leaning left than we have anything close to center-right. when we poll things like capitalism there's some tepid defense of it but overwhelming ilx is critical.

xxp to adam

ILXOR is not a place for conservatives it is barely a place for leftists. all roads lead to the centrist liberal company line here.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/Struggle_session_poster_1.jpg

TL:DM

Conservatism is the wrong word, let's say reactionaries, and there will always be reactionaries and they will always be on the wrong side of glorious revolution.

Also, darragh is the sniper, right? Lawyers within lawyers.

Ha. Nope I have never had a sock, in general I'm against them but there have been some amusing ones

im just glad we are having yet another conversation about discrediting an internet poster rather than discussing an actual topic of interest

Conservative tastes in music don't lead here.

― полезные дурак (Sanpaku), Monday, July 10, 2017 10:14 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol I don't think that this is true at all, e.g. there are three threads about Genesis albums in sna at the moment (NB I like Genesis)

Talking of actual topics of interest.

Three threads on genesis, four on revelations and a poll about the psalms

four on revelations

Too much, it's one of Killing Joke's less impressive albums. Why is there a thread on some who's posted once?

... sorry, four times.

Psalm number 9 is clearly the big hit, right?

29 is the earlier work iirc therefore ilx disdains all else

watching too many conspiracy tv news stories has fucked everyone's minds. having a genuine discussion with somebody is impossible. everyone is trained for paranoia.

im just glad we are having yet another conversation about discrediting an internet poster rather than discussing an actual topic of interest

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, July 10, 2017 5:36 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're like the dude who loudly proclaims "Y'KNOW FRANKENSTEIN IS VICTOR'S SURNAME NOT THE MONSTER'S NAME" at every party

22 is one of those that should really be read at funerals:

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish? 2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, but I find no rest. 3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the one Israel praises. 4 In you our ancestors put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. 5 To you they cried out and were saved; in you they trusted and were not put to shame. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. 7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads. 8 “He trusts in the LORD,” they say, “let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.” 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast. 10 From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God. 11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. 12 Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. 13 Roaring lions that tear their prey open their mouths wide against me.

oh man I am so sick of THAT guy, what a super relatable analogy

oh cool you're here too.

nah this board was og leftist (ur just one of the dumbest current left posters) if often in a cult studs way. mark s, nrq, julio, dom p all smart britisher commies iirc;

This is a very inaccurate caricature - at least one of those named was a rightist leftist who I remember being hostile to British fellow travellers, and afaik none particularly came out of the British cultural studies tradition (while obv being familiar with writing in that vein) - for example, another of those named has made hostile comments on ILX about Dick Hebdige's book Subculture, one of the key texts of 70s Marxist cult studies.

natalia veselnitskaya?

I've never heard of or seen this poster.

You can always do a Search for a particular ilxor and see what they've been posting. If you care, that is.

This is a very inaccurate caricature - at least one of those named was a rightist leftist who I remember being hostile to British fellow travellers, and afaik none particularly came out of the British cultural studies tradition (while obv being familiar with writing in that vein) - for example, another of those named has made hostile comments on ILX about Dick Hebdige's book Subculture, one of the key texts of 70s Marxist cult studies.

It's not entirely accurate but still closer to the truth than "ILX is all liberal centrists" imo.

There's a very occasional poster called Gatemouth whom I suspect to be an intelligent conservative. Certainly he's a good poet

I mean, what has that got to do with it tbf

demonstrates artistic/cultural sensitivity idk

would ezra pound have been a beloved ilxor lol

Larkin coulda been og zc

Yeats = pinefox ito airy distractedness

the apparition of these faces in the crowd/petals on a wet, black bough

^^^borad description

remember also trotsky was pro NEP which means he knew when to compromise on his values. stalin was far more gung ho about pushing the revolution to its actual limits.

yeah. though in actuality, stalin introduced various technocratic measures and heavy labor discipline to increase production, conditions which only thawed with khrushchev who granted more leeway & free time to workers. and obviously, stalin was far more culturally conservative than the previous soviet leadership. but it's true that trotsky was more right-wing economically, in the sense that he wanted to keep market mechanisms, flexible prices for international trade etc since he doubted that a total planned economy was a realistic prospect, after all the USSR was the lone socialist polity in the world and couldn't risk so much in the absence of any partners (cf. the failure of the german revolution under luxemburg). this was the root of the 'socialism in one country' dispute.

there was also the issue of agricultural modernisation, where trotsky wanted a piecemeal approach instead of brutal 'de-kulakisation'. at the same time, trotskyists disapproved of stalin's popular fronts during the war, arguing that the fronts should answer solely to the communist party instead of including soc-dems, liberals & fellow travellers. that latter point sounds super silly to me, since communist parties all over the world were boosted after the war anyway (the Italian CP most famously) so popular fronts didn't compromise anything.

stalin ended up starving millions of ppl in order to trade food for technology and enable industrialization. for whatever reason capitalism has been better at driving wealth. it's not a coincidence of history that all these centralized economies didn't work...

not to apologise for the great famine and other socialist crimes, but the industrialisation of the agricultural sector in every country usually resulted in lots of deaths, it wasn't just a specialty of communist countries. like, I can only think of japan and germany offhand where this didn't happen. what happened in england during the industrial revolution, the U.S. multiple times (incorporation by force of the southern agriculture into market relations and again modernisation of agricultural techniques during the 20s culminating in the dust bowl and great migration), and in nearly every capitalist country that has modernised its agriculture. economic change is violent, especially in backward countries like russia and china which went from feudal relations to GOSPLAN-style economic planning basically overnight. & in the transition from planning to free market capitalism in 90s russia, where production fell by 40% and millions died.

i don't disagree about disruptiveness of industrial growth tho we're not talking about minor degrees of difference re casualties esp when discussing soviets + communist china

agreed w/ Mordy on this particular point. irish potato famine maybe a somewhat comparable calamity but from my very limited understanding it seems like it'd take some legwork to link its proximate causes up to the economic transformation of britain etc.

Hold on there, wasn't Trotsky in favour of a popular front approach to fighting Nazism? And wasn't it Stalin and the Comintern that believed any opposition should be led exclusively by Communists and claimed that Social Democrats were as bad as the fascists?

... says someone who, not long ago, got halfway thru Trotsky's "The Struggle Against Fascim In Germany" before giving up.

well trotsky was killed in exile in 1940 so whatever his opinions on fighting Nazism they weren't particularly relevant to the Soviet Union -- is it possible you're thinking about the Russian Civil War?

so guys who is The Sniper

The poster referred to 'the war', which I assume refers to WW2, which, as you say, Trotsky didn't exactly live to comment on much of. (xp)

Legwork indeed Dr c!

who is The Sniper

tune of "Boris the Spider"

the U.S. multiple times (incorporation by force of the southern agriculture into market relations and again modernisation of agricultural techniques during the 20s culminating in the dust bowl and great migration)

'incorporation by force of the southern agriculture into market relations' is an interesting way to put it :-P

how is dust bowl related to modernisation? did the pre-modernized farms have better Aeolian processes or something?

so guys who is The Sniper

― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:27 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i already admitted it!!!
i'm the sniper

i'm snipin' and i'm snipin' and i'm snipin'
but i damn near got caught
cuz ilx kept gripin'

xxxp he could've meant ww1? i'm not actually sure what he's referring to.

i thought civil war

agreed w/ Mordy on this particular point. irish potato famine maybe a somewhat comparable calamity but from my very limited understanding it seems like it'd take some legwork to link its proximate causes up to the economic transformation of britain etc.

― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, July 12, 2017 8:09 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well the enclosure system - which is perhaps the key to the transformation of society from feudalism to capitalism - had a lot to do with it. common and arable land was given to protestant ascendancy landlords, it was used for cattle breeding, with the cattle being primarily exported to england. this was much more economically productive than the previous system, but meant the scarce land left to the peasants was of poor quality and small size, and only useful for growing potatoes (irish diet had traditionally comprised of dairy and grain).

aha! that's pretty helpful, thank you.

well trotsky was killed in exile in 1940 so whatever his opinions on fighting Nazism they weren't particularly relevant to the Soviet Union -- is it possible you're thinking about the Russian Civil War?

Eh? The Stalin/Comintern rejection of Popular Fronts against fascism (which helped torpedo the Spanish republic and went some ways in dooming France) occurred prior to WWII and Trotsky was very much alive for the 1930s.

To be fair to the Stalinists, in some cases (Germany, IIRC), the hostility and rejection of Popular Front tactics was bilateral. The KPD was rightfully not terribly fond of the SPD, even if in hindsight we can point to their infighting as helpful to bringing the Nazis to power.

comintern endorsed popular front politics from 1934 until the signing of the molotov ribbentrop pact in august 1939

the problem in spain was that the stalinists partaking in popular front groupings took over and jailed/killed political rivals

trotsky also believed in a "united front" in which communists would not have a shared platform with reformist parties, and which would only include working class parties such as socialist parties - whereas some examples of popular fronts have included liberal or radical parties.

sometimes I feel like I'm really conservative on here because I believe all countries have to have machiavellian foreign & defense policies as a matter of course - I love having a terrifyingly oversized nuclear-capable Navy and shit, while it seems like the general consensus on ILX is that defense and intelligence is all just assholes. My position is more like yeah, but they're OUR assholes, you want them to be at least decently capable because have you seen THEIR assholes?

It's a question of 'to what ends' - even without singing The Internationale, our military and intelligence agencies act mostly in service of the class of people who make life shittier for American citizens. So all nation-states have to act cynically in their own interests - but to what extent has American policy since WW2 served me, the common person?

The problem isn't (just) having a big fuck off Navy or the existence of Homeland Security - ratfucking the Black Panthers and arming the Taliban and backing Latin American death squads and having the civilian apparatus treat pipeline protesters like ISIS and etc. doesn't serve my interests or those of 99% of the country.

miss u

think about sniper in quiet moments. Just, when I'm not watching myself, there they are, sniping with that snipey look on their face. Went so quick in the end. Treasured moments left behind like leaves in the wind. *drops rose onto grave of the sniper*

Went shopping today, asked the manager if they had any short-lived socks, he said "like The Sniper?" I immediately broke down crying.

you just got to find the things that get you through the night. the things that help you to keep on keepin' on. we can't go to pieces we just can't

i'm the sniper... i've come to snipe your snindows

please tell me someone already posted that joke itt

sntf

If you like your docter, you can keep them.
Your rates will go down.
I love America.

All just a few lies from obama

fess up who was it

^very honest post

ILXOR is not a place for conservatives it is barely a place for leftists. all roads lead to the centrist liberal company line here.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, July 10, 2017 5:18 PM bookmarkflaglink

If The Sniper is deep state, I hope he has pension and plenty of PTO

Some determined sock at work in the Marilyn Manson thread

I would suggest if the mods can positively ID the sockmaster then this is clear banning territory

Thankfully people are there to engage in good faith because why not

I'm a glutton for punishment

wow those are some posts

I logged on and was like, huh, new info coming out about the allegations? That thread is pretty active. Then I was... oh... oh wow.

I don't want to give that particular troll any more air in the thread in question, but just a reminder folks, smash that FP button.