Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

Well, here we go.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/quentin-tarantino-prepping-new-movie-tackling-manson-murders-1020165

Barely any details there except that it's coming together.

huh

does not really sound like a good idea tbh

sounds like it *could* be a good idea, you read so much about the aura around L.A. during this period and the spookiness of these murders (and other crimes of the era) and the whole sinister vibe surrounding so much of celebrity culture (and the spookiness of the hills, which was so heavy it even permeated the L.A. parts of "Mad Men" even without anything being explicitly mentioned.) but it would take another director who's capable of pulling that off.

otoh another opportunity for Tarantino to liberally use the n-word

Have to say that Karina Longworth's deep dive into it all was the first time I ever really paid attention to the full sweep of the story. Scroll to the bottom for the first one, work your way along -- very illuminating. (And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Tarantino heard this and that's what gave him a new spark to pursue this, etc.)

http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/episodes/?category=CharlesManson%27sHollywood

I liked the Aquarius series on NBC (w/David Duchovny), which covered that scene and LA in general, but it looks like it's been cancelled.

I seem to recall Tarantino talking about the Manson murders in a TV interview years ago. Considering his love of that era of films and stuff, I'm sure Helter Skelter the book and movie was something he probably read and saw as a kid.

How has QT avoided Charlie up until now? They were made to mate and produce offspring.

There's an image.

I couldn't find it online, but I swear that thing with Tarantino and Manson coming up might have been on an old episode of Politically Incorrect. It was some type of panel show where Manson came up as a topic.

Why the hell not? At least it isn't set pre-1965.

(Rob Zombie and Bret Easton Ellis were supposed to develop a mini-series in this vein years ago; I'd love for them to be involved somehow, and won't hold my breath for that.)

Ha, was about to come here and say this could go very bad and end up some Rob Zombie parade of grotesqueries.

yeah, the fact that he'll be working around an actual event kind of throws me, and might impact the *enjoyment* of the film. Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

He could cast Sam Jackson as Manson.

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That's what I'm afraid of. I'm also wary in that I probably just really don't want to see a movie on this subject.

Don't trust an Elvis guy to make a Beatles movie.

I'm just glad he's not at Reservoir Dogs sequel time yet

time for the victims' families to take 'preemptive' action

Reservoir Doges

what if this is the event that sets off a Polanski/Tarantino feud

xp why did you make me google it

http://i.imgur.com/Impkc8r.png

lol

QT: No, it's gonna be great - you think Tim bled from his stomach in Dogs? Ha! This time –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: No, hold on. BLOOD EVERYWHERE! Total 70s drive-in. And even if Harvey said he can get me a couple of White Album songs –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: Wait! So like instead of all that Helter Skelter crap, I'M GONNA USE MONKEES SONGS. Right? Get it?

DANIELA: QUENTIN.

QT: Oh, fuck. Why didn't you tell me sooner?

http://i.imgur.com/0COQZqS.jpg

QT: *Do you think he heard anything I said?*

hahahaha

RP looks like the bastard child of an elf and a hobbit there

This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.

Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

lol that's a horrible idea. who wants to see a not-Manson movie. and James Cameron should have renamed Titanic to Unsinkable Ship

pretty excited for this. it will have a killer soundtrack at the very least.

Yeah, I'm sure Cory Labianca will appreciate hearing that "killer soundtrack" while flipping through the channels in a couple years.

Quentin Tarantino, go away forever.

Guess Charlie smoking Red Apples in this world will make sense then.

http://i.imgur.com/CGjl7OB.jpg

There is a great film to be made about the Manson murders (just like there was a great film to be made about the O.J. case), but no, I doubt very much that Tarantino's the guy to make it.

I really liked the first episode of the Karina Longworth series. I don't know this story well. The film history lens she brings seems apt.

Yeah it works very well, she's great for contemporary context.

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg

Dude from Phantasm seems to be the most frequent reference.

Tarantino basically looks like the vampire version of himself from from dusk till dawn these days

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-21q65Zr2qSs/Tq7usF5wGJI/AAAAAAAACT4/5AmDwPDb1t8/s1600/From+Dusk+Till+Dawn+1+10.jpg

He reminds me of Bad Cooper tbh

Thinking David Mitchell's Evil Genius character

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CTmLU9VOJlM/0.jpg

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women. Tarantino's not the guy to make it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KKLqK4avrRM/UQQi1YXP2tI/AAAAAAAAIJU/RGUv1uRFsRI/s1600/tumblr_mekw0vEht01qdxpbvo1_500.jpg

http://iowa.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-11-at-9.50.24-AM.png

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.
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That'd be one way to do it. Another would be to take the approach of Jeff Guinn's excellent biography (or simply adapt Guinn's book) and meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker. Tarantino has (had?) strengths, but the first and third there are not among them. He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.

I want to believe that Tarantino was finally inspired to pull the trigger after reading Mike Love's autobiography.

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

Never made that claim myself! Pretty much all the seasons are remarkable.

There's something about a Manson movie as filtered through Dennis Wilson's increasingly-panicked accounts to an increasingly-incredulous Mike Love that I find darkly hilarious.

they should adopt from "On His Own Words":

http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347289621l/651024.jpg

there was a really good documentary with interviews with the women and they were sitting on top of desks holding machine guns during the interview. i tried finding it but there are so many Manson movies.

Couldn't Tarantino be the subject of Charles Manson's next project instead?

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LOLLLLLLL

Or there's this, from the LAist comment section:

Cochise • 11 hours ago
Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.

I haven't listened to it yet, but I think it's exactly the nerdy deep dive I'm excited to hear (then again, I was also the kid dreaming up entire fake label discographies and band histories).

As a creative exercise, it seems likely to be a warm-up for the next movie more than QT thinking it was time to respond to incessant public clamour for the Rick Dalton Chronicles

I’m glad Rick Dalton died. That one movie was more than enough.

It appears that Leslie Van Houten may finally be paroled. She's 73 years old.

“closer” insofar far as being *recommended* for parole…but it’ll prob go to supreme court & long court battles blahdy blah so she is still a long way from being irl paroled

Watched Hollywood again the other day for something I was doing--fourth time? I won't change or even bother checking anything I posted above, but I do find Tarantino's deep attachment to pre-Manson Hollywood oddly moving. I say oddly because I have no attachment to that specific moment (Matt Helm movies, TV westerns, etc.) whatsoever--to the time period, yes, but not to that corner of it. But the film does move me, even the wildly self-indulgent conceit of the ending--loved how Sebring and Tate are improbable Rick Dalton fans at the end.

“Hey, are *you* Rick Dalton?”

And DiCaprio plays the scene beautifully. I've been knocking him a lot recently for his Scorsese work, but I think he's really good in this.

Fully agree, his acting is amazing throughout the film, and that final shot is one of the most haunting and beautiful things Tarantino has done.

I really do think the what-if scenario, which purports to be some kind of shallow wish fulfillment, is actually a way to really underscore the absolute abhorrence of the real life tragedy, and the magnitude of the loss.

I kind of felt the same way about the righteous fury at the end of inglourious basterds, though i think OUATIH is definitely the better film as far as really making it something above and beyond.

The only thing I'd still change is that Manson himself gets the flamethrower instead of whichever of the two women got it. I forget what the rationales for that were earlier in the thread, but I still don't get that at all.

it’s definitely one of my favorite movies he’s ever done, maybe because he is coming from a more sentimental place & it resonates w me

robbie is such a superstar in it. i dont think it works if shes not as incredible in it as she is.

i dont think theres another character or performance of that type across his entire catalogue.

yeah she’s so vibrant and joyful, definitely key to the movie & the emotional power of the ending

She does such a beautiful job of making Tate a real person, even if its only an approximation - her performance is a lovely tribute to her memory

...the sequel?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-brad-pitt-1236178785/

Fincher directing from a Tarantino script, Pitt and maybe DiCaprio back in.

Was just coming to post this. Very unexpected! I have no idea what to expect.

whoa

Fincher + Pitt again?

i’m in! shut up & take my money etc

The Benjamin Button dream team!!!

not an april fools, no?

Nope, was announced at CinemaCon.

cinema what, ned?

"And while it is April 1, this news is not an April Fool’s joke. It is also ostensibly not a sequel to Once Upon a Time but a “derivative” that takes inspiration from it. The Playlist first reported on the film. "

I'll welcome it, enjoyed the first one.

404ing, must have been a joke

ok well it's being reported in a bunch of other places.

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/david-fincher-direct-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-sequel-1236354356/

I'm guessing it will, at least in part, probably build off of some of the non film Cliff Booth material from Tarantino's paperback version. That would seem to meet the "not really a sequel", since that's largely before the film's events with his backstory.

I mean, Fincher did great with this era in Zodiac...

Wonder if anyone has seen the Jay Sebring doc.

No, but I will tonight; free on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=medoTn7XQwE

ooh thx

Watched the first half hour. Really good so far.

Subtitles keep messing up the name of a guy called Gene Shacove.

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/18/magazine/message-in-a-shampoo-bottle.html

https://www.instagram.com/p/C9DooAVIy8M/

YouTube version might be Canada-only. I'm watching on Hoopla courtesy of my public library.

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/18/magazine/message-in-a-shampoo-bottle.html

what’s this about and who wrote it

https://www.instagram.com/p/C9DooAVIy8M

what’s this

Picture of Sharon Tate with Gene Shacove.

_ https://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/18/magazine/message-in-a-shampoo-bottle.html🕸_

what’s this about and who wrote it

Thought the documentary was pretty good. There was maybe a little bit too much special pleading towards the end, and the Manson stuff is pretty familar by now. But I liked the middle part that concentrated on his career. Based on the film's description of Sebring rolling in at 3:00 p.m. every day, and of all the women he was involved with, surely there can't be any doubt that Shampoo is based on him (the story if not Beatty's actual performance).

The interviewees he (Sebring's nephew) managed to assemble for such a small film was pretty impressive.

Yeah

Think that maybe when he arrived at 3:00PM he had been working at the studios earlier, but maybe sometimes he was only pretending that was the case, was the impression I got.

Felt like the doc made his relationship with Shannon Tate much more relatable than any stereotypical impressions I might have had earlier and ultimately very sweet and touching, if I may.

Also, as a Star Trek TOS fan of the Morbius vintage, I really appreciated seeing Barbara Luna (although now maybe she styles it BarBara) show up at a key point.

Is it common knowledge that Tate was about to file for divorce (with the implication being so she could reunite with Sebring)? I don't remember hearing that anywhere. That's partly what I meant by special pleading.

Feel like I have heard that before but couldn't tell you where.