Well, here we go.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/quentin-tarantino-prepping-new-movie-tackling-manson-murders-1020165
Barely any details there except that it's coming together.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:15 (seven years ago)
huh
does not really sound like a good idea tbh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:16 (seven years ago)
sounds like it *could* be a good idea, you read so much about the aura around L.A. during this period and the spookiness of these murders (and other crimes of the era) and the whole sinister vibe surrounding so much of celebrity culture (and the spookiness of the hills, which was so heavy it even permeated the L.A. parts of "Mad Men" even without anything being explicitly mentioned.) but it would take another director who's capable of pulling that off.
― nomar, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:19 (seven years ago)
otoh another opportunity for Tarantino to liberally use the n-word
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:19 (seven years ago)
Have to say that Karina Longworth's deep dive into it all was the first time I ever really paid attention to the full sweep of the story. Scroll to the bottom for the first one, work your way along -- very illuminating. (And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Tarantino heard this and that's what gave him a new spark to pursue this, etc.)
http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/episodes/?category=CharlesManson%27sHollywood
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:25 (seven years ago)
I liked the Aquarius series on NBC (w/David Duchovny), which covered that scene and LA in general, but it looks like it's been cancelled.
― nickn, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:07 (seven years ago)
I seem to recall Tarantino talking about the Manson murders in a TV interview years ago. Considering his love of that era of films and stuff, I'm sure Helter Skelter the book and movie was something he probably read and saw as a kid.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:13 (seven years ago)
How has QT avoided Charlie up until now? They were made to mate and produce offspring.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:26 (seven years ago)
There's an image.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:31 (seven years ago)
I couldn't find it online, but I swear that thing with Tarantino and Manson coming up might have been on an old episode of Politically Incorrect. It was some type of panel show where Manson came up as a topic.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:46 (seven years ago)
Why the hell not? At least it isn't set pre-1965.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:02 (seven years ago)
(Rob Zombie and Bret Easton Ellis were supposed to develop a mini-series in this vein years ago; I'd love for them to be involved somehow, and won't hold my breath for that.)
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:03 (seven years ago)
Ha, was about to come here and say this could go very bad and end up some Rob Zombie parade of grotesqueries.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:21 (seven years ago)
yeah, the fact that he'll be working around an actual event kind of throws me, and might impact the *enjoyment* of the film. Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:25 (seven years ago)
He could cast Sam Jackson as Manson.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:26 (seven years ago)
(x)xpost
That's what I'm afraid of. I'm also wary in that I probably just really don't want to see a movie on this subject.
― some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:26 (seven years ago)
Don't trust an Elvis guy to make a Beatles movie.
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:32 (seven years ago)
I'm just glad he's not at Reservoir Dogs sequel time yet
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:40 (seven years ago)
time for the victims' families to take 'preemptive' action
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:42 (seven years ago)
Reservoir Doges
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:44 (seven years ago)
what if this is the event that sets off a Polanski/Tarantino feud
― mh, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:45 (seven years ago)
xp why did you make me google it
http://i.imgur.com/Impkc8r.png
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:47 (seven years ago)
lol
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:48 (seven years ago)
QT: No, it's gonna be great - you think Tim bled from his stomach in Dogs? Ha! This time –
DANIELA: Quentin...
QT: No, hold on. BLOOD EVERYWHERE! Total 70s drive-in. And even if Harvey said he can get me a couple of White Album songs –
QT: Wait! So like instead of all that Helter Skelter crap, I'M GONNA USE MONKEES SONGS. Right? Get it?
DANIELA: QUENTIN.
QT: Oh, fuck. Why didn't you tell me sooner?
http://i.imgur.com/0COQZqS.jpg
QT: *Do you think he heard anything I said?*
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:49 (seven years ago)
hahahaha
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:51 (seven years ago)
RP looks like the bastard child of an elf and a hobbit there
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:52 (seven years ago)
This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:33 (seven years ago)
Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit
lol that's a horrible idea. who wants to see a not-Manson movie. and James Cameron should have renamed Titanic to Unsinkable Ship
pretty excited for this. it will have a killer soundtrack at the very least.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:37 (seven years ago)
Yeah, I'm sure Cory Labianca will appreciate hearing that "killer soundtrack" while flipping through the channels in a couple years.
Quentin Tarantino, go away forever.
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:56 (seven years ago)
Guess Charlie smoking Red Apples in this world will make sense then.
http://i.imgur.com/CGjl7OB.jpg
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 02:59 (seven years ago)
There is a great film to be made about the Manson murders (just like there was a great film to be made about the O.J. case), but no, I doubt very much that Tarantino's the guy to make it.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:34 (seven years ago)
I really liked the first episode of the Karina Longworth series. I don't know this story well. The film history lens she brings seems apt.
― jmm, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 04:42 (seven years ago)
Yeah it works very well, she's great for contemporary context.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 05:59 (seven years ago)
I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:50 (seven years ago)
i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:
http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:56 (seven years ago)
Dude from Phantasm seems to be the most frequent reference.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 08:59 (seven years ago)
Tarantino basically looks like the vampire version of himself from from dusk till dawn these days
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:02 (seven years ago)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-21q65Zr2qSs/Tq7usF5wGJI/AAAAAAAACT4/5AmDwPDb1t8/s1600/From+Dusk+Till+Dawn+1+10.jpg
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:03 (seven years ago)
He reminds me of Bad Cooper tbh
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 09:04 (seven years ago)
Thinking David Mitchell's Evil Genius character
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CTmLU9VOJlM/0.jpg
There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women. Tarantino's not the guy to make it.
― полезные дурак (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:10 (seven years ago)
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KKLqK4avrRM/UQQi1YXP2tI/AAAAAAAAIJU/RGUv1uRFsRI/s1600/tumblr_mekw0vEht01qdxpbvo1_500.jpg
― mark s, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 11:21 (seven years ago)
http://iowa.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-11-at-9.50.24-AM.png
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:32 (seven years ago)
There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.― полезные дурак (Sanpaku)
That'd be one way to do it. Another would be to take the approach of Jeff Guinn's excellent biography (or simply adapt Guinn's book) and meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker. Tarantino has (had?) strengths, but the first and third there are not among them. He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:16 (seven years ago)
I want to believe that Tarantino was finally inspired to pull the trigger after reading Mike Love's autobiography.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:20 (seven years ago)
Never made that claim myself! Pretty much all the seasons are remarkable.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:23 (seven years ago)
There's something about a Manson movie as filtered through Dennis Wilson's increasingly-panicked accounts to an increasingly-incredulous Mike Love that I find darkly hilarious.
― Dippin' Sauce on my Nice New Slacks (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:24 (seven years ago)
they should adopt from "On His Own Words":
http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347289621l/651024.jpg
there was a really good documentary with interviews with the women and they were sitting on top of desks holding machine guns during the interview. i tried finding it but there are so many Manson movies.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:30 (seven years ago)
Couldn't Tarantino be the subject of Charles Manson's next project instead?— NOT RECONCILED (@NickPinkerton) July 12, 2017
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:18 (seven years ago)
LOLLLLLLL
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 14:37 (seven years ago)
Or there's this, from the LAist comment section:
Cochise • 11 hours agoPresumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 15:01 (seven years ago)
I just confused Rolling Thunder with Blue Thunder and could not compute.
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 22:15 (two years ago)
"Blue Thunder" is John Badham, right? I used to watch that movie a lot on cable as a kid (at a friend's house). And the TV show, too! Which, until watching this trailer, I had no idea co-starred Dana Carvey!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROZpwD7kQys
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 22:19 (two years ago)
Hell I saw the movie way back when and forgot Daniel Stern was in it!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 May 2023 01:54 (two years ago)
I saw it as some kind of bonus screening for a film class a week before it premiered, which is why I was so sure of the release date.
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 11 May 2023 06:11 (two years ago)
OK, now "Deliverance," that's a movie. I guess I kinda agree with Ebert's contemporaneous review, in that there's not really as much going on as the movie perhaps thinks it has going on, but like fellow violent fantasy "Dirty Harry," there's still enough to talk and think about. Also like "Dirty Harry," I see echoes of it in tons of stuff that came after, right up to the present, both good and bad, and cross-genre (though especially horror). The big difference is that unlike that aforementioned list, including "Dirty Harry," this one is extremely well made by a director that really knows what he's doing and a DP that really knows how to make it look great, though I suppose "Dirty Harry" gets nearly as much out of its urban setting as this one gets out of rural Appalachia. And more importantly, no annoyingly omnipresent folly work. Boorman is smart enough to frequently let the relative silence speak volumes.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 May 2023 21:24 (two years ago)
assuming folly=foley
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 May 2023 23:38 (two years ago)
Ha, yeah. The other more inept movies had more folly work.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 May 2023 23:40 (two years ago)
Rolling Thunder is particularly good imo. Weirdly sensitive and soulful piece of work for what should have been a basic piece of revenge exploitation. Fantastic performances in it too. Some talk about it in a Paul Schrader thread here recently.
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 May 2023 00:20 (two years ago)
https://deadline.com/2023/05/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-star-rick-dalton-dead-quentin-tarantino-declares-1235373860/
Rick Dalton, 1933-2023
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Saturday, 20 May 2023 13:54 (two years ago)
Is he alright?
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Saturday, 20 May 2023 13:58 (two years ago)
no, he’s dead
― rick semper moranis (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 20 May 2023 14:17 (two years ago)
For how long?
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 May 2023 15:12 (two years ago)
As someone who liked this film a lot the idea that we need to be filled in on Rick dalton lore feels depressingly wrongheaded Both QT books look unreadable — he’s a bad writer — but I agree that it’s silly to expect different even if I’m not familiar with his podcast work (just the fact that his career finds its rightful place there is perfect, it’s his destiny on the radio)
― michel goindry (wins), Saturday, 20 May 2023 15:35 (two years ago)
I was surprised to enjoy almost all of Cinema Speculations and not surprised to find Once Upon a Time in Hollywood intolerable after two chapters
― Brad C., Saturday, 20 May 2023 16:34 (two years ago)
I agree he is often a poor writer--particularly when he's trying extra hard to play Quentin Tarantino--but Cinema Speculations is very readable because just as often he has interesting things to say.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 May 2023 16:50 (two years ago)
"dirty harry isnt well made, the director doesn't know what he's doing" is a shockingly terrible take and if it's not a knowing attempt at challops should really see repercussions like you shouldnt maybe be allowed watch things and state things afterwards about them
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 May 2023 17:38 (two years ago)
His worst take is that he doesn't rate Hitchcock but likes movies that are Hitchcockian
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Sunday, 21 May 2023 14:01 (two years ago)
tbc im not talking about a tarantino take there
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 May 2023 16:10 (two years ago)
As someone who liked this film a lot the idea that we need to be filled in on Rick dalton lore feels depressingly wrongheaded
the kayfabe on the first episode is so good that it feels like the entire series was a long game just to get them practised up to do this
― serving bundt (sic), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:05 (two years ago)
i listened to a bit of it (as i check in on the podcast here and there) and couldn't hang at all. whole enterprise is corny.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:40 (two years ago)
I haven't listened to it yet, but I think it's exactly the nerdy deep dive I'm excited to hear (then again, I was also the kid dreaming up entire fake label discographies and band histories).
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:51 (two years ago)
As a creative exercise, it seems likely to be a warm-up for the next movie more than QT thinking it was time to respond to incessant public clamour for the Rick Dalton Chronicles
― serving bundt (sic), Thursday, 1 June 2023 00:27 (two years ago)
I’m glad Rick Dalton died. That one movie was more than enough.
― Josefa, Thursday, 1 June 2023 00:44 (two years ago)
It appears that Leslie Van Houten may finally be paroled. She's 73 years old.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 1 June 2023 00:49 (two years ago)
“closer” insofar far as being *recommended* for parole…but it’ll prob go to supreme court & long court battles blahdy blah so she is still a long way from being irl paroled
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 June 2023 01:38 (two years ago)
Watched Hollywood again the other day for something I was doing--fourth time? I won't change or even bother checking anything I posted above, but I do find Tarantino's deep attachment to pre-Manson Hollywood oddly moving. I say oddly because I have no attachment to that specific moment (Matt Helm movies, TV westerns, etc.) whatsoever--to the time period, yes, but not to that corner of it. But the film does move me, even the wildly self-indulgent conceit of the ending--loved how Sebring and Tate are improbable Rick Dalton fans at the end.
― clemenza, Friday, 26 January 2024 22:47 (one year ago)
“Hey, are *you* Rick Dalton?”
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 26 January 2024 22:49 (one year ago)
And DiCaprio plays the scene beautifully. I've been knocking him a lot recently for his Scorsese work, but I think he's really good in this.
― clemenza, Friday, 26 January 2024 22:53 (one year ago)
Fully agree, his acting is amazing throughout the film, and that final shot is one of the most haunting and beautiful things Tarantino has done.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 26 January 2024 23:05 (one year ago)
I really do think the what-if scenario, which purports to be some kind of shallow wish fulfillment, is actually a way to really underscore the absolute abhorrence of the real life tragedy, and the magnitude of the loss.
― omar little, Friday, 26 January 2024 23:14 (one year ago)
I kind of felt the same way about the righteous fury at the end of inglourious basterds, though i think OUATIH is definitely the better film as far as really making it something above and beyond.
― omar little, Friday, 26 January 2024 23:17 (one year ago)
The only thing I'd still change is that Manson himself gets the flamethrower instead of whichever of the two women got it. I forget what the rationales for that were earlier in the thread, but I still don't get that at all.
― clemenza, Friday, 26 January 2024 23:28 (one year ago)
it’s definitely one of my favorite movies he’s ever done, maybe because he is coming from a more sentimental place & it resonates w me
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 January 2024 23:31 (one year ago)
robbie is such a superstar in it. i dont think it works if shes not as incredible in it as she is.
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 27 January 2024 00:36 (one year ago)
i dont think theres another character or performance of that type across his entire catalogue.
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 27 January 2024 00:37 (one year ago)
yeah she’s so vibrant and joyful, definitely key to the movie & the emotional power of the endingShe does such a beautiful job of making Tate a real person, even if its only an approximation - her performance is a lovely tribute to her memory
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 27 January 2024 00:57 (one year ago)
...the sequel?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-brad-pitt-1236178785/
Fincher directing from a Tarantino script, Pitt and maybe DiCaprio back in.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 April 2025 04:05 (two months ago)
Was just coming to post this. Very unexpected! I have no idea what to expect.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 04:08 (two months ago)
whoaFincher + Pitt again? i’m in! shut up & take my money etc
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 04:42 (two months ago)
The Benjamin Button dream team!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 April 2025 05:25 (two months ago)
not an april fools, no?
― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 10:24 (two months ago)
Nope, was announced at CinemaCon.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 April 2025 10:25 (two months ago)
cinema what, ned?
― tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 10:30 (two months ago)
"And while it is April 1, this news is not an April Fool’s joke. It is also ostensibly not a sequel to Once Upon a Time but a “derivative” that takes inspiration from it. The Playlist first reported on the film. "
― Ste, Wednesday, 2 April 2025 10:39 (two months ago)
I'll welcome it, enjoyed the first one.
404ing, must have been a joke
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 13:09 (two months ago)
ok well it's being reported in a bunch of other places.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 2 April 2025 13:13 (two months ago)
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/david-fincher-direct-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-sequel-1236354356/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 April 2025 13:15 (two months ago)
I'm guessing it will, at least in part, probably build off of some of the non film Cliff Booth material from Tarantino's paperback version. That would seem to meet the "not really a sequel", since that's largely before the film's events with his backstory.
― better than ezra collective soul asylum (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 17:55 (two months ago)
I mean, Fincher did great with this era in Zodiac...
― the way out of (Eazy), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 18:23 (two months ago)