Terrorist attacks throughout Europe

Following Barcelona, hate that we're at this point but as others have suggested it might be best to contain thoughts and info on these in one place.

Back in June Europol published an EU terrorism report: https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-foiled-and-completed-attacks-1002-arrests-and-142-victims-died

i just wanna go on record as saying these attacks are bad and i do not enjoy them

now i'm justing going to be filled with dread whenever i see this in SNA

better this than not knowing if a city thread has been bumped for art gallery advice or mangled corpses

Open to suggestions - maybe the thread title should have 'Rolling discussion of' added to make it clearer it's not necessarily been bumped in response to a new attack.

Finland stabbings breaking news?

#pray4tuomas

Eight people stabbed in Surgut, Russia with the attacker shot dead.

Turku attack confirmed as a terrorist incident.

One of the worst aspects of all these attacks is that they seem to have no definable political content other than a desire to kill westerners because they are westerners. The attackers apparently have no political demands at all.

Not Westerners, the perpetrators are usually 'Westerners' themselves, infidels.

The desire is more to strike fear in the West. The victims themselves can come from all over the world.

Not quite sure what happened at Nimes station last night - man arrested with "fake gun"?

gun forgery is a serious offence

news says it was a « pistolet d'alarme », a gun replica that can't shoot. They're evidently legal to use in private but not in public.

Too early to say if it's terrorist related. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/21/marseille-car-old-port-france-police

evidently the murderer had been brought by an "association" (usually this means a private group) from Grenoble to Marseille for specialized psychiatric care.

Reports that the van driver in the Barcelona attack has been shot and killed. They don't hang about, the Spanish police.

Wait, had he been arrested?

Nothing confirmed yet.

OK, now I'm hearing he has been arrested and the police have shot dead someone else 'wearing an explosives belt'.

Do you have to arrest someone before shooting them I wonder

Ultimate right to remain silent iirc

Woman I work with is over visiting her parents.

― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 August 2017 16:30 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

She was safe and well but her parents live 10 minutes away from where this guy just got offed by the Catalan cops.

The Guardian is reporting that the man identified as the driver has been shot dead and that he was wearing a fake vest.

http://www.bluemaize.net/im/automotive/vest-t-shirt-8.jpg

?

you can see why they'd shoot him

Brussels attack: Man shot after stabbing troops

Result

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41055985

Dunno when we decide that attacks pass whatever smell test is required but Buckingham palace

Headcases are always waving knives about or setting themselves on fire or whatever outside Buckingham Palace, it's like a, er, Mecca for the criminally insane.

Eyyyyy

OK, so the guy at Buck House drove at a police car, brandished a 4ft sword and repeatedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", as ever though the line between terrorism and mental disorder is thin.

Arah haven't we all done it

Well, you know how things can get on top of you.

Policemen?

A few years back there were two very disturbed local people who were arrested for planning to kidnap the singer Joss Stone and decapitate her with a samurai sword. If it wasn't so genuinely disturbing, some of the details of how they got caught were quite darkly comical. This was only a few years into the Tory cuts on mental health services, as well.

is this a good thread for this? http://www.jpost.com/International/EU-envoy-Israel-can-learn-from-Europe-how-to-fight-terrorism-503168

London ?

Or possible industrial/gas accident

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/15/trains-london-euston-milton-keynes-cancelled-huge-fire-in-harrow

Sorry for bump, seems fairly clearly industrial

alternatively:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

that is mental. I just keep thinking, what would I do if I saw someone with a lit bucket on the tube?

i tell you what i definitely wouldn't do is stop to take fucking pictures of it, as multiple train passengers apparently did

kind of appreciate that they did, though

p sad that some people got trampled on the way out. though it is london public transport i suppose.

If it's a bomb, it's the world's worst - based on the reports at the moment (noise, flame, heatwave), it sounds like a chemical reaction, some bloody painter reckoning he can carry these two things in the same tub with some cardboard between them or such.

Someone on TV at some point today will say "chemicals don't just explode!", which is as damning an indictment of the educational system as you can imagine.‬

somebody's done their Run, Trample, Crush, Hide, Tell training

Must admit I hadn't thought Parsons Green would be high up on the list of potential targets for an ISIS operation.

first clue would be, idk, the fact that the article shows it's most recent version was published 35 minutes ago, when the original was quite obviously posted hours ago. very clearly indicating a recent update, but y'know...."dunks"

so it was "unwarranted" to post this here? I hardly think so.

Half the threads on ILE have lately turned into races to see who can dunk on another poster the fastest, so who knows. I thought it was fine to post here, especially with the caveat provided, esp because I can't think of a better, more relevant thread and starting a whole new one might not have been worth it.

I hardly think so.

Knowing your expressed opinion of me, whatever I say is not likely to cause you to reconsider. But other people read these threads, so...

Basically all that was said in the article at the time it was posted to this thread was that an assault with a bow and arrow had happened in a public place in Norway and multiple people had been killed or injured. Dan Worsley in his OP said it was "too early to say if it's a terrorist attack", yet he chose to treat it as one by selecting this thread.

I think it is not a good thing when people jump to hasty conclusions about the motives of an assault and label the act as 'terrorism' and the perpetrator a 'terrorist' when nothing in the available reporting leads to that conclusion. It just heightens fear and tension, sometimes for no reason. So, the complete lack of details at the time Dan posted (and I responded) did make his choice of thread unwarranted, in my opinion.

I have to admit I was scared to to open this thread and then I saw it was about a bow and arrow attack. So I guess that part was nice?

"yet he chose to treat it as one by selecting this thread"

I wouldn't be such a supercilious arrogant prick if I didn't have a basic understanding of how threads work on here.

Hah! I shall raise my eyebrows at you!

Here you go, let's not fall out over this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/15/counter-terrorism-police-take-over-inquiry-into-david-amess-killing

"Basically all that was said in the article at the time it was posted to this thread was that an assault with a bow and arrow had happened in a public place in Norway and multiple people had been killed or injured."

So basically it was totally fine to revive the thread. If it had turned out not to have been a terror attack this would've been corrected eventually.

Oops
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/world/europe/norway-attack.amp.html
In Norway Attack, 'Sharp Object,' Not Arrows, Killed 5, Police Say

interesting headline choice when that part seems like a simple mistake and this part seems a bit more important

The police had previously contacted Mr. Brathen, a 37-year-old Danish citizen and Muslim convert, over concerns that he had been radicalized, and the Norwegian security agency, known as PST, said soon after the attack that it appeared to be an “act of terrorism.”

But on Monday, Per Thomas Omholt, the chief of police in the Sor-Ost Police District, said of the motivation for the crime that “the initial hypothesis about conversion to Islam is weakened.”

“He has said he converted in public, but he has not lived up to this in practice,” Mr. Omholt said.

murderer: "i'm a terrorist"
police: "let's not jump to conclusions. after all, you are very white"

https://inews.co.uk/news/liverpool-womens-hospital-explosion-terror-police-lead-probe-blast-kills-one-injures-one-1300303

Bomb outside liverpool women's hospital at 10:59 on Remembrance sunday...

(bomber apparently took taxi to the hospital, the taxi driver noticed and locked him in)

The taxi driver has been released from hospital already! The only person killed was the bomber. Still, what a nerve the driver had.

Shades of Smeato.

Curious, if the taxi driver could not get far enough away before the blast to not escape injury, how would the terrorist have had any time to try to exit the vehicle themselves if they tried?

Idk, does it matter? Who cares?

good job the fuckwit used a taxi, not that I'd imagine there would be people queueing up for a suicide mission driving job in aid of blowing up a hospital ffs!

Theory is the hospital wasn't the target but the driver drove to what I assume was the nearest car park, locked the doors and scarpered.

ah right, in a scary af high pressure situation like that not much else he could do really

Re evans q I assumed it wasn’t a timed detonation so much as the guy triggered it when he realised he was stuck in the car, so if he hadn’t been locked in he’d have had time to go wherever and blow himself up there

The Torygraph sez..

The bomber, who died when his Improvised Explosive Device (IED) went off, had ordered a taxi to take him to Liverpool Women’s Hospital but well-placed sources stressed his motivation remained unclear as was his intended target.

One possible theory is the bomber was intending to walk towards Liverpool’s Anglican Cathedral to detonate the device as the congregation left following a Remembrance Day service.

If he hadn't locked the doors that could have been a very horrible situation

Does this mean taxi drivers are good now?

Re evans q I assumed it wasn’t a timed detonation so much as the guy triggered it when he realised he was stuck in the car, so if he hadn’t been locked in he’d have had time to go wherever and blow himself up there

Bloody traffic, smh!

Who doesn’t factor in traffic?

Lamentable organizational skills.

How do you lock someone in a taxi? Can't they just get out like in a normal car?

Central locking, all have it to stop naughty fair dodgers. and now terrorists

The story now is he didn't lock the doors and the explosion happened while he was still in the taxi.

yeah, if you've seen the cctv footage the explosion happens as soon as the taxi arrives at the hospital.

mans gonna need a new air freshener for his cab

I thought I heard on the radio this morning that the device didn't explode properly, something about the detonator going off but not the complete load of explosives.

I often overlook that in the big cities there are lots of white taxi drivers and of that ranting racist taxi driver stereotype. There are very few white ones where I live, perhaps even none at the moment. The most fascist taxi driver I ever encountered was a sikh with a brummie accent who had R4 on and was complaining that they never talk about Hitler's good policies. He was a real oddball. I bet if it had been an Asian taxi driver who was the hero of the hour, he'd have been handcuffed to the hospital bed!

Yes, I think it was only the detonator went off, hence the fact that the taxi driver is sitting at home just now with his feet up watching Escape To The Country.

I thought I heard on the radio this morning that the device didn't explode properly, something about the detonator going off but not the complete load of explosives.

here is that thin line between successfully causing terror, death, mayhem and just blowing your bollox off in the back of a taxi!

The story now is he didn't lock the doors and the explosion happened while he was still in the taxi.

― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, November 15, 2021 9:46 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Aha, OK. I was asking earlier because I wasn't understanding the described events.

Women's hospital? If this happened in the US, I'd figure that it was an antiabortion attack.

Not the intended target.

Though you're right that in the US it might have been!

It's more well known as a maternity hospital anyway, iirc

This story gets weirder. It seems like the hospital might have been the target after all. The bomber was a Christian convert who'd been sectioned before. Why did he get a taxi at all? He only lived a mile away from the hospital, he could have walked there.

A taxi just this once, as a treat

what could possibly go wrong

jesus wept

A Conservative councillor has apologised after a tweet was posted from his account which mocked the Liverpool terror attack.

The tweet, sent by Paul Nickerson, who is an Conservative councillor in East Riding in Yorkshire, included an image of the taxi on fire after the explosion that occurred outside Liverpool Women's Hospital on Sunday.

But an image of former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn had been superimposed and made to appear to be walking towards the flaming wreckage of the car.

some of those with advanced Corbyn derangement syndrome find this kind of meme extremely hilarious. I should add in the shopped pic Corbyn is holding a wreath, presumably for his dear friend Emad Al Swealmeen.

There's some weird stuff coming out about the perpetrator of this attack on the Christmas market in Magdeburg. He seems to be an anti-Islam Saudi dissident who was once featured on the BBC talking about a website he'd set up to help people seeking asylum from Gulf states. This attack looks like it could be motivated by a grudge against the German state.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/21/germany-christmas-market-attack-magdeburg-saudi-doctor-arrested-car-crowd

Saudi psychiatrist working near Magdeurg, didn't like how Germany treated Saudi asylum seekers, apparently - but how this could lead to this kind of thing... I'll never understand (nor do I want to)