FP: Should 31 be the new 51 y/n

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Having seen numerous calls for bans the last year (u know whot 'n who I mean) and quite a lot of ilxors backing it, but seemingly not enough to materialize because 'lol demise of ilx' in the numbers, should the FP threshold be lowered from 51 to, say, 31? Would it solve anything in the first place, or is it good as it is? Does our FP-law rid the ILX eco-system of toxic unwanted drivel, or is it falling short because the user numbers are (seemingly) falling behind? Or, third option (not in the poll, but do elaborate), all is fair game and maybe we don't need FP anymore in the first place?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
No 31
Yes 27


Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:27 (seven years ago)

display the number of FPs next to the posts that draw them imo

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:29 (seven years ago)

^^this system works on the football forum i post to. also offers a chance for lolz

imago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:31 (seven years ago)

hey, i'm only thinking of the lolz

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:32 (seven years ago)

colour coding of display names for every 10 FPs, goes to flashing red and black when you reach 50

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:35 (seven years ago)

also anybody who reaches 31 has to go to an "Are You Sure You Want To Post This?" confirmation page before every subsequent post is accepted.

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:40 (seven years ago)

^this page is adorned with floating gifs of previous much-flagged posts

imago, Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:41 (seven years ago)

ban no longer lasts for 30 days but is over as soon as the culprit handwrites 51 letters of apology to the relevant ilxors

Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 October 2017 21:45 (seven years ago)

how do you know who is relevant?

sarahell, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:32 (seven years ago)

What is FP?

calstars, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:34 (seven years ago)

flag post. i've only ever done it for one person & one post

flappy bird, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:38 (seven years ago)

ban no longer lasts for 30 days but is over as soon as the culprit handwrites 51 letters of apology to the relevant ilxors

― Pope Urban the Legend (Noodle Vague), Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:45 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is an idea I can embrace

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:38 (seven years ago)

I don't want any email from gabbneb or larry appleton, thanks

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:39 (seven years ago)

abolish the cowardly system altogether plz

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 October 2017 22:58 (seven years ago)

another important question would be how many times a poster has FP'd

flappy bird, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:00 (seven years ago)

Fuck me, Twitter and FB are click for like type meritocracies, and look at the fucking state of them for goodness sake. And 99% of football forum "content" is enough to drive you to ending it for good. I'd say do not change anything ILX.

calzino, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:04 (seven years ago)

Yeah I'm not into public display of which posts have been FP'd and how many times, way too much like FB

flappy bird, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:06 (seven years ago)

has the board really had an issue with abusive or seriously disruptive posters recently?

k3vin k., Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:15 (seven years ago)

remarkable how prevalent the cop mindset is tbh

k3vin k., Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:15 (seven years ago)

we're all cops

ogmor, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:16 (seven years ago)

I think it's just one example that caused this post

and that individual has now been banned, for hitting 51

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:20 (seven years ago)

Good Gulags are needed in these difficult times, the type that Solzhenitsyn + Shalamov would approve of imo.

calzino, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:21 (seven years ago)

write 51 times i will not be a bad poster

assawoman bay (harbl), Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:25 (seven years ago)

i like the new party atmosphere on the Admin Log

Karl Malone, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:30 (seven years ago)

Fuck me, Twitter and FB are click for like type meritocracies, and look at the fucking state of them for goodness sake. And 99% of football forum "content" is enough to drive you to ending it for good. I'd say do not change anything ILX.

― calzino, Sunday, October 29, 2017 7:04 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wisdom

Treeship, Sunday, 29 October 2017 23:42 (seven years ago)

Aw whaddi miss whaddi miss

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2017 00:11 (seven years ago)

we're all cops

― ogmor, Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:16 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes.

I think it's just one example that caused this post

― El Tomboto, Sunday, October 29, 2017 11:20 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really. A bit though yeah, def.

Lots of people otm here, some a bit too eager even to my own liking but that comes with the territory.

Feels like the ilx massive wants to exclude a person or two for quite some time. And it's not happening. Fine by me, but the system seems flawed for 2017 realness. Which is why I asked 31 for 51.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:13 (seven years ago)

Shoulder to the wheel etc

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:14 (seven years ago)

i think we need more posters

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:18 (seven years ago)

is advertising in the budget?

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:19 (seven years ago)

21 imo

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2017 00:21 (seven years ago)

1

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:22 (seven years ago)

11

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:22 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUFSB2plwzM

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:24 (seven years ago)

Don't Cry vs November Rain has new answers

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:34 (seven years ago)

so that was not a useful lead for finding out who you want iced

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:38 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3DllvVSsLc

how's life, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:47 (seven years ago)

Guys. I was going to wait but

I found the perfect venue for this year's ILX reunion

http://www.311cruise.com/

Treeship, Monday, 30 October 2017 00:51 (seven years ago)

So wait... we're complaining because there are less dickheads needing/getting flagged/banhammered because theres less of us now, and this is a problem why exactly?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 30 October 2017 02:09 (seven years ago)

I think that brings up a good point - we might dislike certain posters more than we ever would have in, say, peak noize dude era, because there are less of us, and so the, uh, noize floor is more noticeable

El Tomboto, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:17 (seven years ago)

39, because I just rewatched the 39 Steps

bernard snowy, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:20 (seven years ago)

i support bernard snowy's proposal, seems sound.

if it's true that there are fewer of us, that makes us more vulnerable to assholes hanging around forever, never to reach 51 but able to really derail every thread at their whim. i always thought 51 was kind of shockingly high but i guess people used to do a lot more lol-SBing and you had to compensate for that.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:55 (seven years ago)

btw at first glance I assumed this was a thread about flagging anyone who posted some lifestyle article about how age 31 is "the new 51"

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:56 (seven years ago)

would support that flag policy btw

Doctor Casino, Monday, 30 October 2017 02:56 (seven years ago)

why are we proposing a solution to a problem we do not have, is the question

k3vin k., Monday, 30 October 2017 02:57 (seven years ago)

^^^^^

brimstead, Monday, 30 October 2017 03:05 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6U-TGahwvs

brimstead, Monday, 30 October 2017 03:05 (seven years ago)

why are we proposing a solution to a problem we do not have, is the question

― k3vin k., Monday, 30 October 2017 02:57 (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There aren't any fp's. Try to keep up.

Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Monday, 30 October 2017 03:42 (seven years ago)

I just flag the really bad posts with each of my 27 sock accounts

mh, Monday, 30 October 2017 04:56 (seven years ago)

I suspect this poll was prompted by a particular poster who may have been 51'ed under a different username, but came back and is still a frequent irritant. My sense is that if any poster rises to the level of unacceptability requiring ejection, ILX will muster the necessary 51 FPs.

I personally doubt that there have been many posters who accumulated more than 31 active FPs who did not also pass the 51 threshold soon afterwards, but that is merely a guess on my part. Picking the 'right' number is not a science, but a fairly inexact heuristic. I'm fine with any number, as long as it is high enough that it cannot be driven by relatively small cabal. 51 has been adequately functional so far, imo.

I also note that 51 has deeply entered ILX lore. Changing it would render that lore illegible.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 October 2017 05:19 (seven years ago)

Bloody colonials.

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:26 (seven years ago)

Your people use 'cunt' where a civilized gentleman such as yours truly might utter 'jolly good morning' though

imago, Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:29 (seven years ago)

and how much is 'my posting style' the issue vs 'my ideological pov'

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:18 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ask them i guess

flaneur brayin (darraghmac), Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:30 (seven years ago)

insofar as defensiveness is an ideology they're indistinguishable

imago, Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:33 (seven years ago)

hasn't sacked ours yet and I literally can't imagine how yours is any worse

well, last time it was because we had just abolished conscription, withdrawn from Vietnam, made university free, abolished the death penalty, released Papua New Guinea to be an independent country under the UN, brought in universal health care, instituted laws against racial discrimination, returned land rights to native people, set up arts grants and community radio licences, lowered the voting age to 18, allowed our third largest state-equivalent to elect senators, federally funded the connecting of homes to sewers, cut international tariffs, funded state schools, allowed single mothers to receive welfare for the first time, and brought in both equal pay and a minimum wage for women.

so I guess you guys still have a way to sink before Betty needs to step in again, yeah

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Saturday, 18 August 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

Good to see sarahell

I like deej, Katherine and turrican - in fighting is sad but what can you do

Ross, Monday, 20 August 2018 12:55 (seven years ago)

would sack our government again

be careful what you wish for, folks

▫◌▫ (sic), Friday, 24 August 2018 20:31 (seven years ago)

four months pass...

bring it down to one and the last person left can just agree with themselves all day long

topical mlady (darraghmac), Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:26 (six years ago)

three weeks pass...

seriously tho

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 1 February 2019 21:31 (six years ago)

11

david waster phallus (darraghmac), Friday, 1 February 2019 22:40 (six years ago)

one year passes...

5

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 16:48 (five years ago)

stet is usually kind enough to provide figures showing that activity isnt rly down as much as we might perceive iirc

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:03 (five years ago)

If we were to attempt this poll again today, would there even be a turnout of 31?

toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:04 (five years ago)

I have a dream.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:05 (five years ago)

Here's a thing about FPs that y'all may not realize: your most recent FP doesn't take the place of an older FP you gave to the same poster. Let's say you flagged Poster Z six months ago and again last week; the details page only shows the older one from you, and when a moderator clears out FPs that are six months old or older, your flag against that poster disappears even though you flagged them again just last week.

So if you're serious about using FP as a tool for policing ILXor behavior, it behooves you to flag every post you object to. For instance, I just looked at one particular poster's FP details and cleaned out their older FPs, dropping them from 26 to 13. If any of those 13 flaggers whose FPs got cleared out flagged that same poster AGAIN in the past six months, there's no record of it.

Maybe stet can tweak the code so that the most recent FP from a poster overwrites an older one, I don't know.

Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:47 (five years ago)

It seems like you are effectively saying that one should flag the poster, not the post.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:52 (five years ago)

I feel like something is off in your syntax there

it behooves you to flag every post you object to.

how does this square with "removing old FPs clears new ones as well"?

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:55 (five years ago)

So sorry WmC but I object to that post, it simply had to be done

Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:58 (five years ago)

how does this square with "removing old FPs clears new ones as well"?

my understanding is that the old FP never gets overwritten by the new one. if you flag a post and an old one still exists, no FP will be added. if you flag a post after the old one has been cleared out, a new FP will be added.

uncrut gems (crüt), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:59 (five years ago)

I don't know what I'm saying, except that a poster can only flag one post by another poster at a time, and only the oldest one registers, and when old ones get cleared out, any newer ones that may have existed get cleared out as well. I have muddied the water, ugh.

xp -- yes, crüt has it

Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:02 (five years ago)

hmm I would def prefer it if the 6-month clock reset with each new FP

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:04 (five years ago)

I agree. Honestly, it hadn't occurred to me to ask stet about this until today, duhhhh

Miami weisse (WmC), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:21 (five years ago)

easy remedied by flagging the poster at every conceivable reconfirmation of the behaviour that required banning

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:01 (five years ago)

guys it’s rude to just talk about fred like this without him here

k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:04 (five years ago)

I am everywhere, so it's ok

Frederik B, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:09 (five years ago)

lol

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:10 (five years ago)

lol

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:10 (five years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTt0afiVAAAXcB9.jpg

Frederik B, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 21:11 (five years ago)

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-D2VeuWsAE7js5.jpg

We could also make 1 the new 51, at least for a while? It'll be fun!

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 11:39 (five years ago)

Wonder how many silby picked up.

☮️ (peace, man), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:42 (five years ago)

i kind of want to FP silby for the lolz but i absolutely don't want him banned, can we institute a button for that pls

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:55 (five years ago)

yeah its the fp button

for as long as the number is 51 and not 11

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:56 (five years ago)

xp - FP-ed you for that

sarahell, Monday, 9 March 2020 18:36 (five years ago)

ten months pass...

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A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:26 (four years ago)

Seriously how has this clown not hit 20 yet

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:33 (four years ago)

too “Big”

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:43 (four years ago)

too "Big" to flag

superdeep borehole (harbl), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:45 (four years ago)

^^ not stopping me from fp'ing furiously

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:47 (four years ago)

oh i've done my part for this effort, believe me

superdeep borehole (harbl), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:48 (four years ago)

big don aka the fp driver

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:50 (four years ago)

Lads the individual campaigning has long been an explicit no-no iirc, back to the very first sb-wars threads

(Which everyone should read they are good reading)

cpt otm (darraghmac), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:56 (four years ago)

This isn't individual campaigning, this is humanity begging god "why have u forsaken us lol" etc

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:58 (four years ago)

Look its not holier than thou beseeching from meself ye understand, i fp as a tai-chi exercise

cpt otm (darraghmac), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:00 (four years ago)

tai-chi cpt otm

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:01 (four years ago)

Lads the individual campaigning has long been an explicit no-no iirc, back to the very first sb-wars threads

(Which everyone should read they are good reading)


Feel free to link & also you’re wrong btw

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:12 (four years ago)

And you should say it!

cpt otm (darraghmac), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:20 (four years ago)

The links are easy searched i am *working* dyou mind

cpt otm (darraghmac), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:20 (four years ago)

Seriously how has this clown not hit 20 yet


I guess no one noticed but...he already did (check the admin log). After only a couple months, pretty impressive really.

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:36 (four years ago)

i noticed :)

superdeep borehole (harbl), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:42 (four years ago)

When you saw only one set of footprints, it was them that Big Don was enjoying a two-week vacation

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:48 (four years ago)


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