pizza vs hamburgers

depends on quality imo

Cheeseburgers over pizza, pizza over hamburgers.

cheeseburgers are part of the hamburgers category for the purposes of this poll

Cheeseburgers are a subset of hamburgers.

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pizza should probably win for versatility and the fact that it can be vegetarian without being ruined but i'm voting hamburgers because a really good one just hits that spot for me.

Do people even order hamburgers without cheese?

I do

I hate the very concept of a fuckin' cheeseburger

a bad burger is so much better than bad pizza
really good pizza is probably objectively better than a really good hamburger. it has an elegance to it.

cheese is horrible for my figure, i try to limit my intake to pizza, mostly

I greatly limit my intake of either, but I wouldn't miss hamburgers if I never ate another and I would miss pizza.

morbs that stuff on your pizza is cheese

oh good, a pizza poll.

reread my last post, hon

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y'all got ham, no burger

i'm definitely very tired of both, if you live in flyover country they're like 70% of all restaurants. but lately for whatever reason i've been consuming a lot of burgers.

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a life without pizza is no life at all, so pizza

This is really tough. It's another peak value (pizza wins) vs. career value (burgers) thing for me. I don't have the equipment to make decent pizza, but I can produce a great burger any day of the year, imo.

Mike Piazza vs. Warren Burger.

pizza for sure

Bad pizza is better than bad burger. The idea of a burger is often appealing, but the reality is usually disappointing in some way. The gap between conception and reality is much smaller for pizza.

^ correct answer

pizza, why is this even a question

can a mod please lock this when it passes 200 new answers

i feel like pizza has a self-selection bias where you can say "but what about such and such" and people will go "well, that's not a pizza" whereas even the most flagrant abuse of social norms won't disqualify a thing from being a burger.

Cheese burger pizza

a bad burger is so much better than bad pizza

madness. you'd trade a piping hot dominos slice for a limp pile of nothing from mcdonalds? madness i say.

those are both disgusting!

Dominos is excellent not-really-pizza pizza

this is tough because there are all sorts of variables to account for

but in the end the best burger beats the best pizza for me

Dominos has a pan pizza which is way better than their mediocre pizzas

you'd trade a piping hot dominos slice for a limp pile of nothing from mcdonalds? madness i say.

― oiocha, Tuesday, March 27, 2018 6:52 PM (one hour ago)

yes!!!

Burgers because you can’t put mayonnaise on pizza

pizza has a better name

still voted burgers

Burgers are kind of like the equivalent of mediocre white man. You think they are a lot better than they really are and have ever been proven to be. Pizza all the way.

Real Italian pizza beats everything.

xp perhaps, but ketchup is revelatory on burgers and less so on mediocre white men

This is just reminding me of that disastrous nickelodeon guy wanting to pour ketchup on teen feet.

making your own burgers is such a great, easy thing to do

i had a 'plain jane' burger from a joint here that was just a good patty and bunz, heinz ketchup, mustard, mayo, tomato and lettuce. so good.

there's a college pizza place near me that overloads their pies with cheese and the crust is thick and bread-y. i don't think i've ever had a burger as gross as that. burgers are really hard to fuck up and most fast food places make a solid one imo.

That's so funny because my whole thought process is that almost everyone fucks up burgers because people cook the shit out of ground meat to tastelessness.

Extremely cheap and bad hamburgers are good; extremely cheap and bad pizza is bad

Not much beats a good quality burger for me.

Although as a meatless option, pizza.

yeah, ground beef is often so bad it's good imo, like if there's char, salt and fat content then you're good to go.

But most people overcook/press all the juice out so everything is completely dry and gross. Like when people say "come over, we are grilling burgers" I'm like that O RLY meme. I think I have had 5 good burgers in my life. I've had hundreds of good pizzas.

vs chocolate chip cookies

Hog roast is rank and nothing like roujiamo

Dude if you want to claim legitimate burger experience you should probably stop describing burger toppings as "vegetables"

And it's not bbq, it has not been grilled in any fashion

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, March 30, 2018 7:07 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

Continuing my tourist-destinations-with-surprisingly-awesome-food-spot guide, this place in Telluride has some of best pizza I've ever had: https://www.browndogpizza.com/
It's all about their Detroit style pies.

Tell me where I can get a burger in the UK that even approaches this, please.

I did have a burger once in Dublin, and it was overcooked, dry and flavourless.

arguing that you have never had a dece burg is not, however, a counter to my argument that you have never had a dece burg

oh shit, just remembered that Dublin burger was at Counter, a chain who in civilised lands are so good that I will eat there twice during a single week in LA (eg once by LACMA, once at Sunset/Fairfax)

worried about magenta burg meat in lion's post

And it's not bbq, it has not been grilled in any fashion

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, March 30, 2018 2:07 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hooooooooboy

Every time someone recommends a "dece berg" to me it turns out to be not a "dece berg" and I am increasingly suspicious that such a thing does not exist, let's put it like that.

Not sure if it's a surprise that a ski town full of rich people has good food, though I ate in some disappointing ones in Telluride. The place downstairs in the New Sheridan is pretty good.

Burgers are kind of like the equivalent of mediocre white man. You think they are a lot better than they really are and have ever been proven to be.

― Yerac, Tuesday, March 27, 2018

But would you let the burger blow you?

Feel I have misunderstood some American definition of bbq, oh well, worse things have happened

idk man if you think "bbq = grilled" then i'm not sure your culinary taxonomy is really up to date

that was an xp but yeah, bbq is a very specific kind of food in america

imo the best burgers i have ever had have been in Atlanta. used to play a venue called The Earl all the time and they gave bands half price on meals and those burgers were incredible. one time i lived in Kirkwood and got something from a cheap bodega looking place (L & L Snack Shack) advertised as ***STUPID BURGER*** and it was great, just loaded with sauce and stuff.

but i've eaten one too many old, cold, dry, burger patties left over at the end of a BBQ. you need ketchup/mustard just to swallow it down. cold pizza on the other hand is still sort of classic in its own trashy way.

ime people always overcook burgers on a bbq grill

idk man if you think "bbq = grilled" then i'm not sure your culinary taxonomy is really up to date

― gbx, Friday, March 30, 2018 8:28 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I actually made this a few years back! Please feel free to amend as fit.

UK

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USA

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China

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dece burg definitely exists. is just sadly rare. two bells tavern in seattle makes (made?) a decent burger. thick, kind of oblong, juicy (fatty) as fuck, nice char even when rare, served on french bread. good with bacon, ketchup, blue cheese, onions. a fucking mess, but worth it.

several thousand miles away though. meanwhile can get good pizza just about anywhere on the east coast. maybe it's a regional thing.

No matter how a hamburger is accoutered, it always comes down to the good or bad qualities of the meat patty. The rest is window dressing. Pizzas have far more scope for subtle flavor and texture combinations and more opportunities for excellence in ingredients to be rewarded.

The honest-to-god best burger I've ever had was consistently from Donna's Bar & Grill in New Orleans, but that's long closed and the man who made it passed away. It definitely wasn't about the quality of the meat, since he sent us out to pick up some more once and just said "get whatever's cheapest". It was all about the process (I don't know all the details but it involved a cast-iron pan, lots of seasoning, and a lifetime of cooking experience).

then he puked. but both are good!

lol

problem with mfktz's comparison chart, as indicated in the preceding conversation, is that "american barbecue" is a wide range with lots of regional variety. some people (savages) use "barbecue" and "grill" interchangeably, while others draw a clear line between the two. far as i'm concerned, any meat cooked quickly over high heat isn't really barbecue.

Pizzas have far more scope for subtle flavor and texture combinations and more opportunities for excellence in ingredients to be rewarded.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, March 30, 2018 12:40 PM (ten minutes ago)

OTM. With the caveat that "subtle flavor and texture combinations" = garlic, and "opportunities for excellence in ingredients" = cheese.

I don't know! The quality of the meat matters, for sure, but in Cubaland we tend to use lots of spice combinations in most foods. I've tasted plenty of burgers with subtle flavors.

It definitely wasn't about the quality of the meat... whatever's cheapest

Yeah. I wasn't thinking of the raw meat, but the finished product.

it involved a cast-iron pan, lots of seasoning, and a lifetime of cooking experience

Yup. That's what I'm talking about.

So if bbq is not grilling then what is it?

slow n low, that's the tempo

meat, often the whole or a large part of the animal, cooked slowly. it can happen in a grill, smoker, pit, wood-fired oven, etc.

But not stewed in a pot?

that's tricky, but I think it could be in the sense that you'd bbq the meat before adding it to the pot.

or grilling them while stewed on pot

Right now it's probably hamburgers for me. There's pizza that I truly love, but Austin, TX, while generally a great food town, is horrible for pizza. Lots of great burger options though, so that's what I go for.

I think we already did this, but I thought home slice was pretty good when I visited.

So if bbq is not grilling then what is it?

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, March 30, 2018 8:02 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In America, "barbecue" or "bbq" signifies a cuisine in addition to or instead of a cooking implement or social gathering. That cuisine generally involves slow cooking by means of indirect-heat "smoking" (except in some tertiary regional traditions that involve slow cooking via a combination of direct grilling and indirect smoking), and therefore "barbecue" is not an appropriate description of food that is not slow smoked but only grilled on what some term a 'barbecue'.

my preferences for a good burger (i apologize in advance because i realize i take my burgers too/very seriously):

1. quality of the meat -- you can ground your own meat from different parts of the cattle and this is where the difference comes in. the way you raise a cattle is of course important. places like kobe, famous for their beef, the so-called wagyu beef. part of this is of course the level of marbling, which i understand everyone has a preference of, but higher quality meats will have a certain tenderness and flavour to them (the famous "sweet" taste of japanese meat, for example). pre-grounded beef at the supermarket is obviously he lowest quality meat, but has another thing going for it: it is about the ritual and shared experience of being out with friends and family grilling patties. likewise, with cheap beer. both of these cheap options are things a lot of north americans like and prefer because of its ritualistic nature, which is fine by me and i will eat them and enjoy this aspect of it. however, my preference is to eat grounded meat from higher quality parts and cattle, where the fat content (marbling), tenderness and taste are emphasized. this is a monumentally difficult task and something pizza does not have to deal with

2. bun -- another thing that is very difficult due to its varieties. some people like brioche, some people like dessert bread-style buns, some generic dry stuff, maybe even ciabatta. i have had burgers with pastry buns and didn't like them one bit and ruined almost the entire experience. making your own buns, softness, thickness, and flavour plays an important part in balancing out the meat flavour

3. dressings/add-ons -- this is a little easier because my palate is used to bottled/canned stuff when eating burgers due to the meat's complex aroma and taste, it helps cut some of the depths of flavour. however, i will prefer in-house/made ketchup, fresh ingredients such as mushrooms, and non-processed cheese

my slight obsession with burgers has led me to taste many types of burgers in the places i have lived and visited, and while i recognize that there is a lot of subjectivity involved, these are my current favourites in los angeles and the surrounding areas:

1. stout (hollywood)
2. congregation (pasadena)
3. the golden state -- i haven't been in a while though
5. plan check (sawtelle area) -- consistently decent
5. bachi burger -- this was in sawtelle and when i first went to it maybe 4 years ago, it was one of the best burgers i had ever tasted. sadly i went back a few times trying to get that same taste and every time it was worse, til they changed names/ownership to ohana and then everything was disgusting

my favourite butchershops in los angeles:

a cut above butchershop
huntington meats

however, consistency and being able to replicate the same burger experience is difficult. maybe it's my mood and what i ate before that day or week, but my palate does change. sometimes burger joints serve a lemon. but i know i do not hold the ultimate truth and that eating a burger -- at a new establishment or at my regular spots -- is an opportunity to learn something new. there are a lot of burgers out there, and i hope to continue eating many of them wherever life may take me

in the meantime, i hope everyone has a nice good friday and enjoys eating a bit of fish or seafood today

I would guess that there are slightly more American cities where you can find a great burger than great pizza, and vastly more European cities where you can find great pizza than a great burger.

Prompted by this thread, I just went to Elevation Burger for the first time and ate an Elevation Burger. It was horrible.

The lesson, obviously, is pizza.

Elevation burger is indeed horrible, they didn't last long over here.

SG, I think I got some slices at Home Slice some years ago and it was pretty decent, but it's a long way for me to drive to get some pizza.

when i was a teenager we were pretty broke and i used to eat 99cent Tostino's pizza you could cook in the microwave. for what it was, it was damn good.

two bells tavern in seattle makes (made?) a decent burger.

they closed on New Year's Eve, thanks Amazon

5. plan check (sawtelle area) -- consistently decent

there are Plan Checks in Fairfax and Santa Monica too ime

Yes. Been to those locations as well

Honourable mention: Rounds Premium Burgers in Pasadena as well

There’s that one burger place in Santa Monica that looks like a barn which is decent enough but I only went once and remember it being very pricey for an exceptionally small burger

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not being pizza is nothing to be ashamed of, hamburger

Jordan how was your Impossible experience?

Pizza, Fuck yeah. Hamburgers are a reward from a tired parent.

Ok, so the impossible burger is in no way on par with a good restaurant burger, but it does do a good job of replicating an overcooked backyard grill-out burger. Or maybe a fast food burger, I don't really eat those enough to know.

It was fine, but for the price ($16 w/fries where I went, vs $13 for the real meat version!) I would definitely not do it again. It seems like it's for a relatively small group of people (moral/practical vegetarians who miss the taste of beef).

solid results btw

i agree.

This wouldn't be as good with a pizza

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