Is President Trump one of the best presidents the USA has ever had? Does he deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?

I want Trump to win the Nobel Peace Prize because that will be the point when everything stops meaning anything and I assume I'll be able to just like fly and pick up cars at that point. Or maybe the universe will just stop existing. That might be okay, too.

the peace prize hasn't meant anything for awhile now

i like obama as much as anybody but cmon

interesting old lunch

so you're saying the nobel peace prize still means something

late great, i was getting at that, but many defend obama on that point

No no, it basically already meant nothing (see, uh, Kissinger) but once you give it to the embodiment of chaotic evil you're basically imposing an intractable opposite day on reality AFAICT.

is the peace prize a life time achievement award or for a specific accomplishment?

not that i think he had very much to do w/ ending the korean war (which isn't even over yet ffs) but if he did then i'd say that's a pretty decent accomplishment

Plus the thing where the ABSOLUTE WORST THING ANYONE CAN POSSIBLY DO for a narcissist of that magnitude is to fete him in any way that involves awards or ribbons or even certificates of participation. Dude probably has his fourth grade perfect attendance award in a gold frame above his bed.

Man, Trump really is the big psychic alien squid thing at the end of Watchmen at this point.

trump is at worst like a 3rd level chaotic neutral bard

If N&S Korea do come together in peace and brotherhood, it will be because the world-at-large is beginning to see the threat that Trump poses and the subsequent need to get over petty things like half a century of sustained enmity.

i don't know if that's a reasonable interpretation ... i'm sure n & s korea have self-interests in mind that outweigh, uh, banding together to resist trump or whatever

you guys know i'm an npr guy

i was listening to it this morning and david greene was interviewing suzanne dimaggio of new america

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/30/607006665/ahead-of-the-u-s-north-korea-summit-whos-in-the-drivers-seat

a lot of the things she said was very wrong

a lot of the korean scholars i read say the usa has mostly been the one that has stopped efforts to make peace for a while now

also, they say, it is china, not north korea, that wants the us military out of korea, because it wants to hold greater influence over that region, but north korea wants the us military there, as does most other east asian countries, as they have always felt the us's presence there as a balance to china's presence

interesting times

oh so what i do agree on with dimaggio is that the koreas (and other east asian countries except china) are manipulating trump/the us

Nobel? More like total bell.

The Nobel is fine, but it's really a shame he's never gotten a MacArthur. I think they ought to retroactively give him one for every year he's been eligible, starting from whatever year he was first a demonstrated genius.

i mean china is manipulating the us in other ways, just not in this particular event

Sorry, I should have specified in my last post that I believe, to the extent that Trump is in any way a catalyst in mending Korean fences (which may be fairly minimal), it will be in oppositional 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' terms and very pointedly not because he knows the first thing about driving a goddamn fencepost.

'I deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for encouraging people to buy fire insurance.' - some arsonist

peace abroad, war at home

can someone point out what exactly Trump *did* to make this happen? did he just force SK's hand by repeatedly threatening to nuke NK?

from the nytimes article in my op:

In recent months, Mr. Moon and his senior aides have repeatedly thanked Mr. Trump for making a rapprochement between the Koreas possible. Mr. Trump’s “maximum pressure” approach of tightening the noose around the North with economic sanctions and military threats was largely responsible for forcing Mr. Kim to the negotiating table, they said.

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Senator Lindsey Graham, a Trump ally who is sometimes critical of the president, said that if Mr. Trump “can lead us to ending the Korean War” while “getting North Korea to give up their nuclear program” in a verifiable way, then he “deserves the Nobel Peace Prize and then some.”

sure. obama got it for nothing so why not

I think everyone needs to focus all of their time and energy on trying to get Pence the Nobel Peace Prize for sitting silently in a room with and ignoring Kim's sister. It arguably had more of an impact on Korean relations (read: still basically zero impact) and it's 'Peace Price for Pence' is the kind of undertaking that might literally make Trump's head explode. And I want to see that. I need to see that.

it's

nothing personal but i think sometimes your criticism of trump is a bit OTT

peace abroad, war at home

― we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 30, 2018 7:04 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The world can only hope etc

The unspoken thing here from the South Korean govt appears to be “give the guy who’s threatened to kill everybody an award in order to lessen the chance of him doing that”. And I guess I’m on board with that, sure.

I fail to see what's OTT about predicting a scenario wherein Trump's head literally explodes of its own accord.

i'm just thinking back on other awards given where the candidate wasn't obvious but shocked everyone

bob dylan
kendrick lamar

crazy times

marisa tomei's best supporting actress oscar

Talking about peace prize at this point is pretty much being up a field goal in the first half and declaring game mvp.

Next time NK chubby cheeks doesn't get his boxed wine or petroleum shipment, you know he will toss a rocket into the sea of Japan or capture a fishing boat at sea.

saying the north korean leader will test nuclear weapons when he doesn't get what he wants is like saying drogba will cry foul and fake dive when he doesn't get his way

being an erratic, knee-jerk asshole is an act that keeps people on their toes whether it's real or staged

Talking about peace prize at this point is pretty much being up a field goal in the first half and declaring game mvp.

yeah but there's a precedent for this, obama in 2009

the Obama prize made them look fawning and ridiculous, but even he seemed to realize that.

him and his base are gonna be absolutely insufferable if he wins it, even more so if he doesn't

I'll take the version of insufferable that doesn't come with a side of increased legitimacy for their doctrine of awfulness.

need a poll of which nobel peace prize recipient's merits have aged the worst

the dawes plan (Charles G. Dawes, 1925) seemed like a decent idea but set a lot of bad precedents about war reparations and the long-term effect on the german economy was a mixed bag, to say the least

or Frank Kellogg (1929) and the Kellogg-Briand pact, which didn't stop the second world war but set a precedent for countries starting conflicts but refusing to actually declare war, giving us conflicts without the legal declaration

Also his cereals are not all that great, really.

I've got to hand it to all of the recipients, though: unlike Nobel, none of them invented dynamite and very few directly profited from the manufacture of armaments

Prizes and awards should only be recorded in the annals of history when they're declined by the intended recipient.

was it super-awkward at the time when Kissinger accepted but Lê Đức Thọ didn't and sent a nice letter saying he didn't think the ceasefire would hold? it was pretty obviously a ploy by the Nobel community to cement the ceasefire into something lasting, and it seems like it was a chump move on Kissinger's part to show up when his counterpart declined

Kissinger tried to return it when the ceasefire broke but it doesn't work like that

Who gives a fuck about this prize?

So stupid.

here's what happened

someone asked Moon if he thinks him and Trump should win a joint peace prize, to which he responded "Trump can have it, all we want is peace"

which of course the media, desperate to find something to praise Trump over, interprets as "Moon says Trump *deserves* Nobel Prize"

or maybe just an innocent mistranslation. but still

idk about the nobel peace prize, but he got the nobel pees prize locked up

marisa tomei's best supporting actress oscar

a ludicrous example when there's Crash, and Quinton Tarantella for "writing"

not ludicrous at all when you consider the category under discussion was 'the candidate wasn't obvious but shocked everyone' given that it was a big deal at the time and people still occasionally suggest that tomei's name was read out at the podium by mistake - my comment wasn't anything to do with the quality of her performance

fuck outta here with the suggestion that people were shocked that tarantino won awards for writing or that the year's most cringing and self-congratulatory 'examination' of race picked up best picture from a panel of idiotic white people with guilt complexes

oh ok i guess

does it shock everyone when you flip a quarter and it lands on tails when you think it will land heads

I just look at it like god choosing against me, every time

i'm just thinking back on other awards given where the candidate wasn't obvious but shocked everyone

bob dylan
kendrick lamar

crazy times

― F# A# (∞), Monday, April 30, 2018 10:39 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

marisa tomei's best supporting actress oscar

― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Monday, April 30, 2018 10:48 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a ludicrous example when there's Crash, and Quinton Tarantella for "writing"

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, May 1, 2018 6:41 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who amongst us would not have bedded a crash era marisa tomei tho

the fellas were thinking "nice"

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/south-korea-says-it-wants-us-troops-to-stay-regardless-of-any-treaty-with-north-korea-10193856

However, Seoul wants the troops to stay because U.S. forces in South Korea play the role of a mediator in military confrontations between neighbouring superpowers like China and Japan, another presidential official told reporters on condition of anonymity earlier on Wednesday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/05/02/is-kim-jong-un-trustworthy-78-percent-of-south-koreans-think-so-poll-finds/

After a year of increased weapons testing and bellicose threats in state media, it's a noteworthy shift in tone — and it appears to have resulted in a significant reappraisal of Kim's intentions among South Koreans. A poll released this week by MBC television channel found that more than 78 percent of South Koreans now view Kim as trustworthy.

Of that figure, 60 percent had said Kim was generally trustworthy, while 17 percent said he was “very trustworthy.”

It seems to be a public opinion coup for Kim, who until recently was viewed extremely negatively by most South Koreans. One poll conducted by Gallup Korea in March found that Kim was viewed favorably by just 10 percent of the population, while 83 percent said they viewed him unfavorably.

The Gallup Korea poll was conducted between March 13 and 15, with 1,003 South Koreans over 19 contacted by telephone. It also found that a majority of South Koreans viewed President Trump negatively (67 percent), and only 64 percent thought North Korea would ever give up its nuclear weapons program.

redemption narrative

Kim Jong-untrustworthy

http://i63.tinypic.com/8zqxz5.jpg

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If North Korea and South Korea do by some minor miracle settle into an amicable and growing rapprochement as a result of their current talks, it would be very sassy of the Nobel Prize Committee to give the Peace prize to Kim Jong Un and Moon Jae-in, while leaving Trump out of it. Sassy!

it would not actually be real-life funny because of people’s lives, but theoretically funny if it’s a triple prize, and KJ-U pulls out at the last minute leaving the other two to decide if they accept it or not

no way Trump doesn’t, he does and it’s an incredible self-own