Are you the kind of cockfarmer who drives an SUV?

in fact i drive two, one with each hand

But ... the first year that we moved upstate, our road was barely paved and not always ploughed in the winter. So of course everyone along our stretch had big, massive fuckoff SUVs and cars with 4WD, through sheer necessity.

About six months after we moved in, the road was widened, properly paved, and became such a major artery that it had to be ploughed with the first sight of snow. But everyone kept their SUV's and 4WD's anyway, cause, you know, they still had half mile long unpaved driveways and all.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1818/3_1suv.htm

But enough about the human race, but what SUV drivers specifically?

Like what?

"It's not going to fit into the standard garage," said Mark Oberle, a spokesman for Navistar, based in Warrenville, Ill., outside Chicago. "We can see it as a vehicle for business people who want to make a distinct impression. For personal use, it's for people who want to make a statement."

i drive an suv and i am all of these things

I drive the safest when I'm in my Blazer. I'm more intimately aware of how much pressure to apply on the accelerator and the brakes. I can "read" the vehicle, respond to it on a semi-subconscious level. I know how slow I must go while turning. For that reason and for so much more, I'm not giving my SUV up.

"The stickers TerraPass sends its customers do nothing to stop pollutants from coming out of a car's tailpipe. Instead, the company offers its customers the chance to reduce pollutants from other sources, like power plants, in an amount equivalent to that produced by their car.
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Not surprisingly, few SUV drivers have been buying them. Most have gone to owners of fuel-efficient cars that produce relatively few pollutants."

There's a nice guy on my German course who drives an SUV, but I think he needs it for work and stuff. He is a landscape gardener. Err.... I'm not entirely sure why landscape gardeners can't just drive minis... maybe they need to go up 45 degree slopes all the time or something. In their car.

the statement being that if you are a man, you have undersize genitals, and if a woman you are a secret vegetarian.

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I will try and find some better data later

ambrose to thread I think.

we're doomed

this was a good thread. nice to have it back.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/06/06/SUV.owners/index.html

why do these assholes always moan that they need to keep their SUVs because their kids need rides to soccer practice or piano recitals? how fucking big are these horrible monster kids?

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Stephanie Torgerson, 32, of Pataskala, Ohio, said she simply can't put her three boys in her husband's Mazda 626. The 1-year-old needs a car seat, the 5-year-old needs a booster chair and she doesn't feel comfortable wedging her 8-year-old between the two.

Sure, she could probably get better mileage in a minivan, but she doesn't like the stigma.

"I don't want to be labeled as a soccer mom," she said.

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i still drive an suv and it is completely ridiculous and unnecessary now that i live in the city, commute by train and don't frequently have to move lots of equipment. basically i bought it because my sister was getting rid of it very cheaply and it runs well. i'm sure it will die soon (it has almost 200,000 miles on it) and i won't be able to afford another car and i'll deal.

If I need to haul stuff, it's easy enough (and far less expensive) to rent a big car/truck for a couple days.

if i have kids one day i will rent an suv to haul the lil tykes off to their soccer game~

I drive a godforsaken 1995 Buick Park Avenue (hand-me down from Mom) that probably doesn't get any better gas mileage than lots of mid-size to large SUV's. But it's paid for so I'm going to keep driving it, albeit as little as possible. I dream of the day I can afford like a Civic hybrid or something.

well i used to need to haul stuff 1-3 times a week so renting a truck everytime wasn't really less expensive.

maybe i could rent my car out for ppl to haul stuff. it has passenger side climate control and lighters in the back seat arm rest!

yah i barely drive it now. like once a month i have to go back and forth to pennsylvania, but mostly i just move it from one side of the street to the other to avoid parking tickets. oh yeah and it costs $60 to fill up my tank.

wouldn't fat kids and a car seat fit pretty well in a station wagon or mini-SUV like an Element?

Oh, it's just a bullshit excuse. Though, as much as I like to rag on the SUV-drivin' bourgoisie, buying a new car is fucking expensive, and if you can't afford to do it (even if you'll lose money in the long run), it's excusable that they'd come up with some reasons why they're not just an Earthhating evil suburbanite.

Yeah, but there are like crazy low- or nothing-down lease deals for sizeable vehicles for less than $250 per month all the time. And if you can get a decent mileage deal you're in a much better position than if you buy a new vehicle.

Are you the kind of cockfarmer who has no idea what you're actually talking about?

Public Agenda survey on energy issues
Discussion of Waxman-Markey legislation + said survey

One thing that is clear from this survey is that Americans are not very knowledgeable about the issues.

When asked to name a fossil fuel, 7% gave a wrong answer, and 32% said they did not know, making a total of 39% who did not know.

When asked to name a renewable energy source, 21% gave a wrong answer, and 30% said they did not know, making a total of 51% who did not know.

With respect to climate change, 52 percent said that reducing smog the United States has gone “a long way” in reducing global warming; another 12 percent were unsure if this was true or false. Since reducing smog has nothing to do with reducing global warming (if anything, it has the opposite effect, by removing "global dimming"), a total of 64% were incorrect on this answer.

How the fuck can we get the public to push for replacing fossil fuels with renewables when 39% don't understand what fossil fuels are and 51% don't know what renewables are?

dude americans are stupid `\(°_°)/´

I fear that this is only the first consequence wave of decades of declining math and science competence in the the U.S. education system, with the full brunt of it yet to come.

With respect to climate change, 52 percent said that reducing smog the United States has gone “a long way” in reducing global warming; another 12 percent were unsure if this was true or false. Since reducing smog has nothing to do with reducing global warming (if anything, it has the opposite effect, by removing "global dimming"), a total of 64% were incorrect on this answer.

^^ Not sure if this is exactly true - a lot of the measures used to reduce smog (newer, cleaner engines) also reduce CO2 emissions. And it's kind of weird to argue that we need smog to prevent global warming, much less argue that it's stupid of people to think that the two are totally opposed.

I am not a cockfarmer, but I drive a '74 jaguar and feel okay about it mainly because I walk to work and use it sparingly.

yeah i'm not gonna knock ppl for thinking that one byproduct of car exhaust is somehow related to another

guess what I own a Prius now. had a baby, baby requires car. car is used mostly for baby-related errands (I take public transit to and from work)

no need to apologize

for car ownership

what's so bad about farming cocks

Not sure if this is exactly true - a lot of the measures used to reduce smog (newer, cleaner engines) also reduce CO2 emissions.

whaaaaa? I'm not sure where you got that information. Every gallon of gasoline you use puts 19.6 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere. Are you saying that there is a way to sequester the carbon in the car somehow? Now if you're talking about cars that get more mpg than that's another thing, but I'm pretty sure the measures to reduce smog (which were literally end-of-the-tailpipe-solutions) didn't improve fuel economy.

Well, are you?

No. I am the kind of cockfarmer who drives a 1994 Honda Civic DX 4-dr. sedan. Iit's gray, even -- because the nicer colors cost more and who wants to pay $600 for the same fucking car in a different part of the spectrum? Not me, that's who.

Btw, we paid $11,000 for it, new in December, 1993.

How the fuck can we get the public to push for replacing fossil fuels with renewables when 39% don't understand what fossil fuels are and 51% don't know what renewables are?

Because many of these are the same 50% who don't vote?

what's so bad about farming cocks

haven't you seen those battery farming methods, cages and cages of cocks all in a row, it's terrible

Stephanie Torgerson, 32, of Pataskala, Ohio, said she simply can't put her three boys in her husband's Mazda 626. The 1-year-old needs a car seat, the 5-year-old needs a booster chair FASTENED SEAT BELT and she doesn't feel comfortable wedging her 8-year-old between the two. ANOTHER FASTENED SEAT BELT

fixed

the other fastened seat belt being for the 8-year-old.

but i'm weird... i was raised mostly as an only child, my parents were a one-car household (and the car was always normal-size), and i don't remember ever being driven to a lesson or after-school activity, although i had many of those. my parents let me start taking the bus by myself when i was young. somehow i was never abducted and turned into pet food.

must not have been much of a market for pet food that year

A five year old might be legally required to be in a booster seat depending on what state he is in.

(hmm, in OH, it seems to be ages 4-8)

in KS, not exactly a nanny state fortress, kids through age 7 must be in booster seats, unless they're lol more than 80 pounds or taller than 4'9".