the Norman Conquest c/d

I don’t know myself tbh, I do like all the loanwords we ended up with

the harrying of the north was a pretty rough move, but you can't deny William was pretty bad-ass.

One set of aristos running a hostile takeover on another set, I dunno

Presumably in the later 11th century there was a bunch of pundits who were pleased that we were part of a European union tho

can never keep straight in my head which set of ye done worse on us tbh

It all comes down to how you feel about the past nine and a half centuries of English history. Personally, I have mixed feelings.

iirc it was the Normans that started the colonization process D

Bloody Normans coming here, taking our jobs...

spiny norman clming here taking our hogs

nv i think that may be correct

but to align myself too tightly with that view would be to accept that some sections of anglo-saxons have suffered alongside us imo

so im taking knee for the team yunnerstand

Normans v. Saxons. Bloody immigrants.

formorian OG

It is pretty funny that the Norman Conquest did give us hundreds of years of England claiming the throne of France, like, lol

Like did they ever officially stop claiming it

....and ireland and Scotland..

Those aren’t as funny :(

Given that the Normans was only semi-domesticated vikings whose cousins had already given Ireland the business it's just one bunch of shitheads after another. There's no real nation states back then so I haven't got a clue who'd count as an immigrant anyway, it's not like England or Ireland had been single unified kingdoms for v long by the time the conquest happened

Scotland invited the Normans in btw.

Yeah silby I think there was a point when some king or queen formally renounced their claim to France but it's late on, 16th century at the very earliesy

What is it with Scotland and inviting your future oppressors to stick it to you?

That reminds me, Scotland are in the World Cup Finals this year.

Hey, no Normans, no Robert the Bruce.

It was George III who dropped the claim to the throne of France, ten years after it had become a republic lol

Well the gig was rather less attractive at that pt I suppose

just one bunch of shitheads after another

would that tim pat coogan had left it at that tbh

Reminds me I've still not gone to the castle ruins, which given they are at the top of my road and I've lived here 18 months is a bit lazy of me

one thing I've learnt since moving here is that the Battle of Hastings wasn't actually in Hastings but at a village a few miles north that has the imaginative name of Battle.

the only reason anybody cares about the norman conquest is that there haven't been any since. and that tapestry is shit.

nah the tapestry rules. I visited it last fall. the bit where William (i think) shoots a guy in the face with an arrow, that’s class.

I like the story of William's all alcohol diet plan after the teasing of Philip I of France, who enquired if he was pregnant. But he was onto something cos apparently Red Wine blocks the development of fat cells, or at least I like to tell myself that.

although I don't it was ever confirmed if he was pissed when he fell off his horse and died.

"the only reason anybody cares about the norman conquest is that there haven't been any since."

whoah! Don't forget the Norman Conquest in S Italy!

although I don't it was ever confirmed if he was pissed when he fell off his horse and died.

― calzino

i'd be pissed if i fell off my horse and died

swoosh

Drinks, shoots (a guy in the face with an arrow) and leaves (on a horse that he then falls off of and dies).

Chemistry teacher at my secondary school was called Norman Conquest.

periodic reminder to ILX to read The Wake by Paul Kingsnorth

that book is .. problematic

Last Kingdom on ver netflix is a good look at what was going on pre-1066 (hint: it wasn't pretty)

http://www.emersonkent.com/images/england_shires_10th.jpg
some pretty small clubs in the Premiership back then.

that book is .. problematic

― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:34 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

despite sympathetic efforts to understand its narrator it p clearly turns on him. the problem is encoded into england

I loved it!

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51V5EPHM9CL.jpg

if we're doing this joke his work on the cosa brava record is pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM4TiaDnnYM
there is a decent Bartlett series on The Normans, not on i-player at the moment but all there on youtube.

that book is .. problematic

― the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:34 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

despite sympathetic efforts to understand its narrator it p clearly turns on him. the problem is encoded into england

― imago, Saturday, June 2, 2018 11:02 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol not really what i was referring to, i meant the kinda fake nature of all the linguistic stuff meant to underpin it. fun read tho!

oh the shadow tongue? that is badass imo

whenever ppl talk abt the actions of like 100 years ago not being relevant now I think of https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8424904/People-with-Norman-names-wealthier-than-other-Britons.html

fuck me, the occult Norman deep state seems have quietly spanned the centuries without causing many ripples.

land ownership is the real conspiracy

it is quite blindingly obvious, but also sort of invisible and sometimes people look at you funny if you start ranting about the landed gentry.

Yep. I wrote a lyric with the line "a thousand years of tenancy" many years back, it's the not-so-secret history of the islands

by other metrics like looking at the surnames of ppl who go eton there is more social mobility than you might think, but without land reform, you get what we've got. worst in scotland iirc

Obviously events like the industrial revolution shook things up to some extent but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Conquest_(footballer)

that name reminds me of the Nairn Across Britain cameraman Bob Sleigh. Parents with humour tumours, saddling their children with comical names are obviously oblivious to the importance of one's name.

Classique, sans contredit.

normanative determinism

Bingo

normannative if I may stand upon the shoulder of deems

it's impossible for the history of capitalism which is a perfectly rational distribution of ah fuck it

Uncle Joe + Mao sometimes did liquidate the right people!

xps you get the considered and curated version lj, when kubrick leaves out a detail its because it was the wrong detail buck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6TJYV5gIKs

Dr Eleanor Janega is one of best medieval historian presenters, this is far superior to any of the shite you get on the bbc these days.

The Dan Snow guy who's the main presenter for that channel has a terribly annoying voice.

Not all that's annoying about 7 foot tall posh Nepo twat.

yeah, I fucking hate that cunt. The fucking grandson of British political elites should be barred from doing history programs.

I'm just highlighting Dr Eleanor because some people might discern against by her association, but no she's actually brilliant at doing this stuff and has a sharp mind.

all the history Dans are fucking horrible except for my beloved Cruikshank

Eleanor Janega is great and that's why she's not getting the BBC money

this is enjoyable thx