SB 51: the California politics thread

What's up this year? Lots!

- The housing crisis, Prop 10 and SB 827 (RIP (for now))
- Prop 5 (and the hope of a split roll measure in a couple of years?!)
- Prop 6 (lol this is going to lose I hope)
- When did Gavin Newsom disappoint you first?
- Feinstein vs De Leon (lol) and the state democratic party
- The state republican party (lol)
- Ballot Measure C in SF (this one seems nuts!)
- What is the deal with all the ballot measures, isn't that what we pay these people for?
- high speed rail (lol)
- single payer (lol)

Let's talk about it!

someone explain SF measure C to me? is it doomed now breed, weiner, etc. are against it?

re: ballot measure 6, is apparently a lost cause at this point, ha, http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-gas-tax-repeal-campaign-cash-20180930-story.html. but prop 10 is not polling well either (and is kind of a mess legislatively as i understand it): https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article219033985.html.

LA measure B (city bank) is cool btw, and the LA times sucks for opposing it.

I have no idea what's going to happen to measure C but I hope it passes. The split on the Dem side (Pelosi and various supervisors for it, bu Breed/Weiner/others against it) is kind of weird but idk how many voters really take their marching orders from Breed and Weiner tbh. Whereas everyone I know thinks bajillionaire companies paying more to house the people they've misplaced is a no-brainer.

uh wtf at the DST prop?

I'm really behind the times, yall are going to have to hold my hand as I fill out my ballot. The only ones that seem clear cut to me on first blush are 6 (NO) and 10 (YES).

agreed on 6 and 10.

the DST prop changes nothing but it gives the legislature the right to consider and in principle make changes. DST kills a few people people every march. vote yes IMO on that one.

the bond measures (1-4) are all yeses for me.

prop 5 extends the infamous prop 13 (i.e. restricts localities ability to fund education by restricting their ability to tax massive real estate wealth). you could make the case that extends it to be fairer, but any extension of prop 13 makes the task of removing it politically tougher. so no on 5 IMO.

8 11 and 12 are classic examples of "What is the deal with all the ballot measures, isn't that what we pay these people for?" i guess i'd be yes on 8, no on 11 and yes on 12?

Sent my ballot in the other day. Yeah C has been worth it just to see Benioff and Jack@Twitter complaining at each other in public.

given the financial structure that tech VC encourage (i.e. avoid making a profit), i like that ballot measure C is a tax on revenue, not profits.

caek did you go and get naturalized or somethin

no i can't vote, so i'm telling as many people as possible how to vote instead

that's very generous of you; if I couldn't vote I don't know how I could stand researching ballot measures

anyway not californian so y'all can do whatever as long as you don't come for our water

also lol at gerry brown's veto statement for the 4am last call option

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SB-905-Veto.pdf

"mischief and mayhem".

xp
He's the Frederik B of California!

ha i do live here fwiw

much as I find the Salesforce tower annoying (I work right next to it), I have to say this guy's allright. Or at least better than most.

Benioff and Salesforce have donated to multiple San Francisco Bay Area causes including $250 million to support hospitals, $11 million to help the homeless, and $50 million to public schools. In his talk, he acknowledges that some of city's business leaders haven't been as generous.

"I have gone hat in hand to every high net worth individual in the city," he said. "I know who is willing to give money, and who isn't. I already have the list. I know if we're going to raise money for our schools, the homeless and hospitals, there's a group of people in our city who are willing to give. And there's a group of people in the city who give nothing based on the level of wealth they have. You're either for the kids, the homeless and the hospitals, or you're for yourself."

graded on a curve he is easily the best of the bunch. SFDC has an obscure business relationship with ICE/CBP though.

I have to admit I don't know what Salesforce does.

Aside from putting their name on things around the city and buying Metallica.

Salesforce makes Rolodex-as-a-Service for your entire company.

considering the software they sell is basically a spreadsheet/database combo from the 90s, their research team is also bizarrely good at AI/ML, which is one of their reasons their involvement with CBP is unnerving.

I've used a few Salesforce databases in my job and basically a spreadsheet/database combo from the 90s seems about accurate. tbf there was a huge need/demand for this, so their success is not really much of a surprise.

Also it’s a federal election so off topic but it’s interesting because of the top two primary so: the congressional election where I live is between jimmy Gomez (democrat) and a Green Party guy. I believe this is the only two candidate congressional election involving the greens in the country. Based on the lawn signs and the number of times they’ve canvassed our home, the Green Party guy is going to run away with it. (He won’t. He’ll lose by like 40 points.)

I can't believe I am actually going to vote for Gavin Newsom for the first time in like 20 years? ... like I actually voted against him for Lt. Gov. because I hated him so much as SF Mayor and before that as appointed stooge to Willie Brown on the Board of Supes ...

otoh I'm kinda cool with Jerry Brown as governor, and I kinda hated him as mayor,

and actually a lot of the current bullshit in Oakland can kinda be laid at his feet, though not really. Like I don't think any one person can be held responsible for the incompetence, venality, and obstructionist idiocy that is a lot of Oakland government: the people that don't have to run for office, so they can be pretty much awful and stupid with few repercussions to their careers.

There's some new local version of Howard Jarvis Taxpayers sending out mailers to Oakland addresses arguing against voting for various property tax measures on principle.

Oh yeah, Yes on Measure Y -- extending Just Cause protection to people that live in duplexes and triplexes (as opposed to currently where it's like 4+ units)

yeah latimes had a lot of dirt on newsom a few months ago but he was still one of the favorites

i'm still registered to vote but i'm not in the country anymore, but i would vote for newsom

I'm with sarahell on the mixed feelings about Newsom. He is a guy who I *really* don't like or trust, even when a lot of his policy prescriptions and positions line up with mine. He's just a fucking slimeball that wants to be president really badly. Dunno if I will bother voting for him, he's almost certain to be the winner anyway.

i remember being a local blogger about 10 or so years ago and my fave thing was comparing him to Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman

I think he is also a big fan of Huey Lewis & the News iirc

I can't hate him, he stepped forward to support same-sex marriage at a time when most of the rest of the country was charging in the other direction

comparing him to Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman

yeah you weren't alone in this the similarity is just too eerie

he stepped forward to support same-sex marriage at a time when most of the rest of the country was charging in the other direction when it was most politically advantageous to him personally, handed the GOP a wedge-issue that helped get Dubya re-elected, resulted in the passage of Prop 8 in California actually *banning* gay marriage, and did not actually result in any valid gay marriages

fixed

that whole charade was nauseating, grandstanding at his worst. He knew he didn't have a legal leg to stand on and did it for the purposes of benefiting no one but himself.

xp - even when in practice it was preaching to the choir and a high profile distraction from his pro-development/pro-corporate policies?

^^^

he has a history of this grandstanding, like when he wanted to improve the health of poor & working class San Franciscans by banning cigarette sales from chain stores with pharmacies -- that pretty much affected nothing except the ability to buy fairly low-priced cigarettes at Walgreen's stores. ... as opposed to walking a block or less to a liquor store and buying cigarettes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55cG7EytB7M

omg I pulled up this video to show how fuckin obnoxious he was at the time and the closed captioning is wild

**APPLAUSE BY HOMOSEXUALS**

xp the conversation it started was a huge push forward for gay rights

i don't think he literally tried to feed a cat to an ATM tho

the conversation it started was a huge push forward for gay rights

he didn't start it - Alaska and Arizona already had gay marriage rulings on the books - he just made the splashiest (and emptiest) show about it. which is his modus operandi.

xp Dan -- I'm not saying he's evil incarnate, just that it was a self-serving move. And it is often super useful to be reminded that in the central SF Bay Area, one lives in kinda a political bubble and that there is certain hair-splitting we do here, some more-progressive-than-thou type stuff, that looks ridiculous to most other Americans

Oh yeah, and Oakland has a mayoral election ...

Alaska and Arizona, come on. This *was* a big push forward.

Bush had already given his SOTU pressing for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. Massachusetts was on track to start allowing marriages in May of that year. A backlash was going to happen in 2004. And Prop 8 was a direct response to the California Supreme Court recognizing marriage rights in 2008

agree that it was a partly self-serving move, but it was also a very good thing

yeah, on paper he has done all the right things, but you read into the details of his life and he is a total slimeball

thing is, how else would you vote if not on what he has done and the positives more or less outweigh the negatives

i feel like this single payer healthcare program was hyped a lot in california, but like it's crazy when you do the math

i'm not against it though

on paper he has done all the right things

not when he was mayor! he did a lot of not-right things

as mayor his sponsorship of Prop N (Care not Cash) was very controversial

yeah, i know what you mean

i guess i should say given the options

I agree that policy-wise I'm compelled to vote for him, more or less. At the same time, I absolutely hate watching him talk and prior to our current scandal-goalpost-moving POS chief exec I would have assumed Newsom was a lock for doing something scandalously unethical/illegal that would tank his career. I guess we're going to find out soon enough.

Well when the alternative is John Cox...

i was listening to an interview with scott weiner and he mentioned that brown had vetoed the 4am last call thing but he would bring it back next year and didn't expect any problems with newsom on that issue. there was then a weird moment where the interviewer and weiner acknowledged that yes, newsom is a known partier.

a friend of mine/former journalist wrote a semi-autobiographical novel that briefly features an obvious Newsom character riding around in a limo drinking champagne, doing blow and engaging in bisexual hijinks

"That, in turn, should be the opening line of your novel.

god damn i need a voter guide who tf are all these yahoo local judges speaking in code

i forget, are you in LA?

i think santa cruz is only "worse" in the sense that people go there not expecting to commute from like Salinas or Hollister ... whereas people I know who went to UCSD and UCLA and even Berkeley were more prepared to commute.

I wondered whatever happened to that proposed Dormzilla project at UCSB, and thankfully it's dead.
https://therealdeal.com/la/2023/08/08/ucsb-wants-to-replace-charlie-mungers-dorm-design/

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/federal-judge-california-law-gun-magazines/3230467/

Courtesy of this prize.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Benitez

yeah that guy is a POS

Can't wait for more of this genius at work -- Steve Garvey confirms he's running for Senate and says things like this:

He was less anxious to touch base with what may be one of his political liabilities: his personal life. His Mr. Clean image took a hit shortly after he left baseball, when news broke that he fathered two children with different women before marrying a third, his current wife, Candace.

“You know, Joe, life is a journey,” Garvey told me. “We all go through chapters in our lives. That was back in a transitional period. I don’t talk about my family or history. People will judge me as to who I am in 2024. I pray for my children and my family every day.”

"Release the tapes!"

How many mispredictions can you spot? https://t.co/IaH8k4Cnjk pic.twitter.com/N7q4TlTmlK

— Common Ground California (@CACommonGround) February 14, 2024

So how about those propositions?

34 is some serious, targeted bullshit

god I hate propositions

I haven't gotten my mail-in ballot yet (SF elections board sent it on Oct 3 but it was lost in the mail, not a good reflection on the USPS at all). Had to request another one

So I haven't voted yet, but there are something like 10 state-wide propositions and 14 local SF propositions on the ballot! I can understand them asking us to approve bond measures, but a lot of the propositions are too complex to really understand and are deceptively worded.

It is too much, the whole referendum process has gotten out of control, and we the public shouldn't have to be doing the work of the local and state legislatures

xp Me as well... with rare exceptions, it's nearly all special interest groups trying to force something on the ballot so they can go behind the legislative branch - like remember all the bullshit propositions about lunch breaks for ambulance drivers, or overtime at dialysis centers? WTF do I know about this shit

Yes! What Dan S said

is 33 good or bad? I can't keep track.

I'm gonna vote for it, but it'll probably lose

Prop 3

Reaffirm the right of same-sex couples to marry
This constitutional amendment would remove outdated language from Proposition 8, passed by voters in 2008, that characterizes marriage as only between a man and a woman.

Obv. this will pass and obv I will vote for it, but why are we even doing this? Prop 8 is invalid now, isn't it?

next year will we have to re-reaffirm our affirmation?

33 actually makes no changes whatsoever, but gives localities the power to enact rent control beyond the Costa-Hawkins act

Prop 8 is invalid now, isn't it?

it's a ghost law still on the books, this will get rid of it

My understanding is that a lot of the local SF propositions are put forth by the different Supervisor voting blocks to get around the Mayor as well as each other, and vice versa, instead of trying to reach a consensus. Enough already

I still haven't gotten my ballot after requesting another one. The USPS is pathetic. Maybe it is a blessing, since although I know my ranked choice votes for mayor and my choice for my D3 supervisor (Danny Sauter) and district attorney, I am still up in the air about the rest of the incredibly complicated ballot that includes the 24 state and local propositions and votes for the School Board, Community College Board, and BART Board.

It seems inevitable that we in CA will have to make our choices at the last possible minute, since the entire information network about the endless propositions only trickles out at the end.

I enjoy voting by mail and seeing my ballot counted ahead of time by checking online, but this is not the year I can do that. I'm not expecting my ballot to arrive in the mail in time to fill it out and see it counted, so I'm planning on going to my polling place at the Norwegian Seaman's Church (which is a freaky place I like visiting).

I will have to write down my choices for the 24 propositions and everything else that I intend to vote for. I don't like election day voting in California, it seems like it's an afterthought because they count all of the mailed-in votes first, but so be it, it only really matters in the local election

I wish I could vote at my local bar again like during covid!

If you live in Paso Robles's 1st city council district, please vote for Kris Beal, the only non-Trumpy candidate for city council. She is pro-choice, pro-democracy, and pro-humanity! Also, her victory party will have some amazing wine, if that's yr vibe

(full disclosure - i'm providing data/field outreach for her campaign)

Also, if you live in Arroyo Grande, please support Aileen Loe for City Council! She is a damn superstar, and was a huge help in flipping the San Luis Obispo county board of supervisors from being controlled by Trumpy reactionaries to now being run by thoughtful progressives!

I need Santa Barbara county hot tips.

Being a voter in CA is very different than being a voter in tiny tiny DC. I want to be an informed voter and do my due diligence, but honestly I feel like I just give up parsing many of the measures/propositions/etc and just doing whatever the SB Independent tells me to do.

Obviously this is not ideal but there is a point where I'm all I AM NOT QUALIFIED to make these decisions, geez.

That is kind of my feeling too, I look at the SF Chronicle's and LA Times' and other's takes on them and try to decide if I agree with them. If the proposition is too arcane I'm inclined to vote no

I don't think most people go through that agony though, even my somewhat political friends vote early, they just choose what sounds good to them, which makes me wonder about the results and makes me question the whole referendum process

I filled out my ballot today (24 propositions!) and will take it to the North Beach Library dropbox tomorrow, I hope I will get confirmation that they received it by election day

Distressing to see that Prop 6 failed 55% to 45%. Enslavement continues.

It literally had end slavery in the title … it was like “old times” … and the increased prison sentences one passed … again, like the California I grew up in that voted for Reagan and executions. Though it was heartening to see the gay marriage and Medi-cal measures win. Those were signs that our state has progressed

I was disappointed that Prop 33 didn’t pass, but there were so many misleading ads against it, I was not surprised.

A number of good measures passed in SF, and my choice of candidate for a seat on the board of supervisors won. Ground level is important.

I didn't think 33 would pass but voted for it anyway... I kept telling people that it does NOTHING immediately, but the NO side spent a shit-ton of money about how we'd all become homeless if it passed

I just chatted with my mother and was venting about prop 6 failing when I heard her get very silent. She wasn't aware that the state is one of the few to still legally allow for forced unpaid/low paid labor of its prison population, that the 13th Amendment didn't abolish slavery entirely (still allowing incarcerated people into forced labor) and how that is used in states like in the South with shitty drug laws and racist cops to maintain racist driven slavery in the US still. Given her reaction it seemed she voted against it. I bet many other people just ticked the "no" ballot thinking this was some form of "undeserved" nicety to be applied to convicts who didn't deserve it and part of the failed attempts by the left for criminal justice reform, who if they had known the greater context around the issue, would have likely voted yes.

Sigh

xp Yeah like Ned, my choice for my SF district won (I was worried!) and my favorite measures won too. Some silver lining.

yeah ditto to all that. The SF results were quite aligned to my votes this time. Certainly hasn't been the case the last couple cycles.

I think our mayor is getting recalled, but the city council president who would take over is likely to lose her campaign for county supervisor, but I would rather have her as mayor tbh.

I keep forgetting exactly how much of us are actually in SF here. At some point we should do a low key (outdoor) FAP. (Been being a little conscious today about talking with more folks, exuding, not false cheer, just simply some warmth. It does a lot!)

I didn't think 33 would pass but voted for it anyway... I kept telling people that it does NOTHING immediately, but the NO side spent a shit-ton of money about how we'd all become homeless if it passed

I just chatted with my mother and was venting about prop 6 failing when I heard her get very silent. She wasn't aware that the state is one of the few to still legally allow for forced unpaid/low paid labor of its prison population, that the 13th Amendment didn't abolish slavery entirely (still allowing incarcerated people into forced labor) and how that is used in states like in the South with shitty drug laws and racist cops to maintain racist driven slavery in the US still. Given her reaction it seemed she voted against it. I bet many other people just ticked the "no" ballot thinking this was some form of "undeserved" nicety to be applied to convicts who didn't deserve it and part of the failed attempts by the left for criminal justice reform, who if they had known the greater context around the issue, would have likely voted yes.

_Sigh_

Look, your average person would have criminals' organs harvested without anesthesia if they could. I'm sure of that now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/07/us/newsom-trump-california.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

I was wondering…

Meanwhile we are winning the prize for slowest vote counting county …

It would be great to know if our mayor is actually getting recalled, and if our Council President who would take over has lost her supervisor race to the eville dude …

Ranked choice elections really slow the vote. Maybe it's good that it dampens the drama. We just found out who our new mayor is today, and only one of the six SF supervisor races has been called so far

sickening to watch Newsom squirming towards the center.. dude, you will NEVER be president so don't piss off the people that have actually supported some of your previous positions

correction: he's already center, the squirming is to the right

The Newsom - Guilfoyle - Fox News thing still boggles my mind and maybe presages what Andy is talking aobut

I remember when he was an SF Supervisor and then mayor. I have sincerely been positively impressed with him as governor tbh (as in my expectations were very low) … what he’s doing now is about what I had previously expected. Oh yeah and now there’s a deficit.

his hair is gross, looks like it was brushed with icing and then stuck in a freezer