Double, Double Toil and SATAN: The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina on Netflix

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Seriously though how great is this show?

(i say that knowing it’s a buzzkill batsignal & ilx dudez will say its not THAT great etc)

BUT IT’S SO GOOD

I am up to episode 7 or 8 & am loving how dark it goes! i am unfamiliar with the comics but it is a great departure from the goofy/corny-dark of Riverdale

michelle gomez, as ever, ftw

(i say that knowing it’s a buzzkill batsignal & ilx dudez will say its not THAT great etc)

^this is unworthy stuff tbh^ as well to project that people only like it cos ~reasons~ and just give up on unironically liking or disliking anything. we can maybe agree not do this?

shipka has been a superstar waiting to happen since mad men and most of the rest of the cast is bang on

looks/feels great, almost stranger things good

story is a bit rushed and the parts fairly clunk into place, but hey i stopped watching mad men cos i couldnt take the ridiculously forced narrative so yknow

darkness and danger is good

sjw stuff- a lot of it is far too on the nose to be anything but clumsy but its hiding it in plain sight at least

decent effort

I watched the first episode and I didn't not like it but god the tone was so weird to me, also the constant gauzy vignetting is inexplicable

hail Satan obvi, maybe I'll watch some more

rrrobyn said in another thread it could benefit from
a good comedy writer & i agree, tonally it is a touch flat & could do with laughs

yeah id agree with that

aunts obv are great

like if had more of a Buffy-ish tone

but i love the visuals soooo much. and yeah the cast is great, miranda otto & the other aunt whose irl name i always forget. enjoying ambrose too

yeah they said "Dark Baptism" about 90 times in just the first episode and I was like please take it down just a single notch

I especially enjoy the cinematography of the witch vision. I don’t know if it’s done in camera or in post-production... but it sort of looks of like its a bunch of glidecam stuff shot through a prism.

It looks almost fisheye crossed with vaseline smear.

Mentioned on the Netflix thread, but for all the bits I liked, the first episode was a tonal wreck. You get Sabrina - who is a great sort of naif - and her witchy family - who are sort of broad/sitcom. Then you get the evil witch, who is like Disney villain ott. And yet, she stabs people in the neck with scissors and stuff, which is pretty gruesome, esp. for a character who is not scary, and the rest of the episode's tone is super moody and dark, too. It's basically like Buffy without much of a sense of humor or wit (which, yeah, this needs!). And the boyfriend and basically every kid but Sabrina are pretty meh as actors. Or at least merely standard, which is a bummer, because it does have high production values and a compelling look and I love that it jumps right into SATAN. Though I wonder if it will later give Satan and his Dark Lord worshippers much more in the way of motivation than just ... existing as witches. Like, can you be in league with the devil and not be outright evil? What does Satan get out of this arrangement?

And for the record, I am prepared to watch more, but my wife and daughter are like ehh.

tonally it is a touch flat & could do with laughs

I had this problem with Riverdale! I never got past the pilot - everyone was a drip.

aw the dumbness is the fun of Riverdale for me

Good to know! I do wanna try it again. I watched six seasons of Gossip Girl, I can do dumb.

All the witchy people I follow seem to like it.

I’m on ep 7 and am still into this show. I didn’t think I’d like the one-off dream demon ep but it was great because it was its own story with some tension and character expansion and also slightly forwarded the show’s arc. That’s all I ask of tv tbh.

But what I also want to see aside from some decent comedy writing is MORE ACTUAL MAGIC!! Not to beat the Buffy comparison into the ground, but at least Buffy was constantly kicking demon ass with her super powers - and when she wasn’t kicking demon ass she was cracking jokes! I keep thinking maybe I’m not paying enough attention and am somehow missing all the magic stuff, ha.

I love the aunties. I do not love the boring boyfriend.

somehow seemed totally on point that the boring boyfriend had a lined denim jacket (only boring smooth boys have this jacket)

omg for real

Like, can you be in league with the devil and not be outright evil? What does Satan get out of this arrangement?

These are questions I’ve been thinking they’ll get to, and more on the nature of dark lord evil vs the nature of human evil. I’d like this to be cleverly done, but...

it only has to beat al pacinos aybsantee layyynnndloid so that should be doable

i like yerman in the role of the dark priest

(i say that knowing it’s a buzzkill batsignal & ilx dudez will say its not THAT great etc)

hell no Veg ur my guiding light in terms of things to like.

*cues on Netflix*

queues rather

rrrobyn said in another thread it could benefit from
a good comedy writer & i agree, tonally it is a touch flat & could do with laughs

The guy writing it writes the comic. It's a while since I read it, and I only read the first story arc (which is broadly the same as here) but there are way, way more jokes in the TV show.

Just finished the series and the second half us much stronger than the first even if - curse of the Netflix original programming - the final episode feels like one too far and a bit tacked on.

It's all about Jeff Out Of Coupling and Dawn Out Of The Office for me, and of course the ever-delightful Michelle Gomez.

cousin

fuckin

balki

low-key bronson pinchot is hella creepy, he’s great

harvey is sooooo boring but as mr veg pointed out maybe his (spoiler ) in ep 9 will go some way to deepening/enhancing his character somewhat

or its lined denim jackets all the way down

Michelle Gomez 4 ever tho, my god she’s the best

The Grandmother and the 'cunning' or whatever was the only part I didn't like. It felt really off to me - like there was something racist about it, though I can't express it.

Anyway, I really enjoyed this. The clash of tones was surely the point - it's kind of like when people joke about how Casper died; takes the premise seriously, to see where it goes. You could do the same thing imagining Samantha from Bewitched meeting with Satan, killing people etc.

otm x1000 xp

Praise Satan. On ep 7, and I'm starting to tire of Sabrina. Does she have to be such a witch buzzkill? (And yes I get wanting Sabrina to be more evil is missing the point a bit lol).

I love the Aunties, Ambrose, and Michelle Gomez of course. I wish Sabrina's girlfriends had more to do other than fill in the diversity quota, and have backstories that amount to more than "they are descendants of important townspeople who hated each other, and also inherited the traits of those ancestors."

watched the finale last night - suitably exciting!

"You're playing with life and death and you don't even know the basics!"

Lol Ambrose is me watching this show.

Yeah Mr Veg and I were basically yelling at Sabrina through the final few episodes. Goddamn teens!

I watched the pilot, it was great! Definitely on board. I actually found the earnestness and lack of jokes quite refreshing!

...then afterwards I went back and rewatched the Riverdale pilot - it was also ok! Is it worth the effort of watching the rest?

By the way - a quick, high recommendation for The Book Group if any Michelle Gomez (and cringe dramedy) fans itt haven't seen it.

Riverdale is dopey fun, totally worth it imo

oh another thing the spells are really dull and flat they need a spell writer

It's okay if you're a teenager and don't know much, but when they're 'in vino veritas carpe deum sic semper tyrranis' it's kind of weak.

I finished watching Sabrina last night! The last few episodes were great! And both scarier and funnier than I expected.

i wasnt ready for how dope Sabrina/Kiernan looks with white hair

Right!?

https://www.surreynowleader.com/home/cloverdale-sabrina-set-will-welcome-trick-or-treaters-on-halloween/

is this appropriate for an 11yo Archie fan who (I think) has read the relevant/recent Sabrina GNs

Right, been seeing this turn up on torrent sites and not checked it out. Used to like the old tv version was that 20 years ago?
Beth Broderick as one of the 2 aunts.
Think it's been a cartoon since then too.
Was it a sibling publication to Archie originally or something?

xpost - maybe?? some of the horror elements are pretty full on, visually.

she can handle comedy gore like Gremlins but anything too realistic/shocking is probz not for her

yeah there’s some throat cutting & whatnot that is pretty confronting.

yikes okay

back to Supergirl!

it feels like a mid-teen & older show. any younger & it seems like it could be nightmare city

This show is so weird re. parentage.

Sabrina, her aunts, Harvey, Roz, Susie and Prudence are all motherless (as of episode 6). And Michelle Gomez is only a mother of demons. In fact, there’s not a single non-toxic mother on the show. I imagine this is part of the plan, but it’s sort of noteable.

moms r bad, mkay

disappointed she committed herself to the third way tbh, sabrina the teenage neoliberal :|

The Satanic Temple is not happy with Sabrina

welcome to the big leagues, Church of Satan

Satanic Temple of Judea, whatever...you know what i meant

Ha, I think Church of Satan have their own issues with this season of American Horror Story.

Yeah, as if they'd let a former Gawker staffer into the CoS.

This is not good and not bad, but I wouldn't call it mediocre, either. It's... something.

GREAT

Not everything has to be “good” or “bad”

not everything has to be good or bad but this show happens to be very good indeed

Miss wardwell is effing hot

Good to know witches with slutty dresses still exist

First 4 episodes were kinda ... silly?

Finally picked up on episode 5 and now I’m digging it

see if u can squeeze bossy into yr next critique, call me ill ve in the bunker

Okay, ill ve in the bunker

Digging this show so far. After some brilliant music cues in the first couple of episodes ("Hurdy Gurdy Man" works xtway better than the on-the-nose "Season of the Witch" would have), they seemed to vanish from subsequent episodes...until episode seven. Perfect.

Ha, I totally thought 'wait, they didn't use Season of the Witch? Cool...'.

ooo had no idea we were getting new eps so soon

ooo me neither! :D

They better give Salem more to do this season.

The actor who plays Sabrina is terrible.

It was mostly ignorable in the first season but over the first couple of episodes of the new season she's got more scenes that require believable emotion and she just can't pull it off.

most of this is awful

disagree but go ahead and live yr lives

imo the heart of this show is an examination of how/why women are complicit with patriarchy

L is way into this show, I feel like the "normal high school friends" subplots fall flat but it's fun regardless

the SJ stuff is sometimes too on the nose but i still really enjoy this show

The veil between the worlds is thinnest at... Christmas?!?

hope this isn't spoilers but very faintly in the background of the penultimate episode they play skeeter davis' "the end of the world" while they're sitting in the diner which is such a great song and it's such an amazing music cue but it's really blink (or however you blink with your ears) and you miss it.

I liked that the season started with DEVO...

yeah that was maybe my fave scene, the clothes changes, perfectly executed

remember how last season started out weak but then got much stronger? this is great right out of the gate.

i remember it starting weak certainly

Pan and Circe are bad, but Hecate’s cool???

the
fuckin
accents

sorry, we dont have anywhere else i can go in this apt when this absolute shit is on

YES

FFS where are the noise cancelling headphones

hahaha

Good luck to all who enjoy it etc

This is the worst show that I thoroughly enjoy

Diappointing song choice for battle of the bands. A missed opportunity to build some hipster cachet.

Anytime anyone is singing is definitely the worst part of this show. It once again reminds me that most actors are theater kids who just can't wait to sing.

the music is SO BAD

This is the worst show that I thoroughly enjoy

thoroughly otm