The Rise of the Far Right In Britain

I saw it, and I disagree. I was quite encouraged that they're so weak. Everyone shown was a total idiot. The rally amounted to a few hundred fat skinheads in a field - big deal. If the fool Collett was considered a rising star then they're hopeless - he was an ignorant prick who really couldn't articulate or argue any of his nasty views in any way that made sense.

**Is the reason people are swinging to the right because they're assholes**.

Yes. Maybe they should have had better schools, maybe they should have better housing, and maybe they mums and dads should have loved them more, but non-one in Bradford or Burnley is so inherently disadvantaged or thick that they have any justification for voting for this filth. They're assholes.

could you provide more info on this please dom (this is my home town), i'm interested in this a lot (especially as bradford was always held up as a beacon of race relations, at least compared to other similar places. i still think bradford has a different make up to oldham or burnley, perhaps complacency has been a problem?)

dr c: but non-one in Bradford or Burnley is so inherently disadvantaged or thick that they have any justification for voting for this filth. They're assholes.

yes, agreed, BUT is it enough for us just to say "assholes" and box them off that way, are these people separate? or is their graduation? i'm not sure its enough to say they're assholes (is there an implication of absolving ourselves when we take this line of criticism?). if we just think "assholes" are we ever going to get to grips with why different people in different locations follow this path, and then be able to do anything about it?

are there more assholes in oldham than in leicester, or southall?

No, it's flip and doesn't explain WHY they think this way. Then again, I suppose you could expose them to any number of theories to explain why someone else is to blame for lack of jobs and shit housing. Any of these *explanations* would suffice for them, as long as no-one points the finger at THEM and asks them why they don't take some responsibility themselves.

**are there more assholes in oldham than in leicester, or southall?**

Good question - I think the BNP is prob. targeting areas with lots of unemployment etc, and would never gain a foothold in Southall, say, as it's next to prosperous, tolerant Ealing. They also don't have the numbers or resources to fight many seats. Leicester I have to admit I know nothing about - you never really hear about trouble there, although I've never been and I don't know anyone from there.

If it's any help I have good friends in Bradford: they're whitte, live in Manningham with a mosque literally in their backgarden, and (last year's riots apart) love it. I don't think they'd recongise what you say about racist attacks.

Gareth- its from two people (university students) I know from there.... obviously you'd know a lot more about it than me (I've never even been there) that there's a lot of pro-Powell sentiment from the whites around there... like I said, that's just hearsay from my part, if its wrong, I apologise.

The fact that the journalist was Jewish: best irony ever.

I used to know someone who claimed to go honky-bashing in Leicester at weekends, but I think he might have been making it up. I seem to remember Leicester being held up as a model of community policing and what-not.

an Indian immigrants take on the riots.

EDL coming to my city. What's the best course of action?

murder holes, gunge

http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/03/clowns-kicked-kkk-asses/

UAF might have something planned?

Not least of all was how attractive teenage female BNP members are.

The clown thing is good. The UAF have certainly got something going but they are so terribly earnest. And they keep tweeting me to sign their petition, which I'm finding irritating, for some reason.

yeah i think dynamic and photogenic mockery is the way to go

that clowns/kkk story is worded like a child's parable :D

Trouble will be getting enough clowns together.

I know I should have expected that eventually they would have gotten around to us, as they seem to be touring cities with large muslim communities but still I'm very pissed off with whole thing. Freedom of speech sux sometimes.

Free speech is to be avoided. It is merely a way for the incorrect to re-assert themselves. Individual "freedom" is not desirable, it is disastrous for all who are not the individual concerned. Censorship is not injustice, it is justice in the truest sense.

The success of Harry Potter and other magically-oriented popular fictions have created an opportunity for the right wing (in Britain, the USA and elsewhere) by softening minds. Any fiction that promotes the solving of problems through invocation or magic or prayer is best avoided.

You know I realised the other day who it is that Nick Griffin reminded me of, what with his dodgy eyes and his silly rosette.

http://www.ukdvdsonline.com/UserFiles/productImages/131196.jpg

http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/07/babes-of-the-bnp/

“Yeah. I wouldn’t mind them if they actually worked and didn’t take all of our jobs”

uh

UAF are a p dodgy bunch themselves, allegiances-wise

Oh, it's going to be fun this w/end. EDL banned but marching anyway (and winding themselves up into apoplexy on their forums), UAF counter demonstrating, but not marching, so there's something, maybe they can be kept apart. We've already had fake txts and emails going around about EDL beating up muslim students (seemingly sent by the EDL to encourage a ruck). It's all a bit worrying.

yeh staying the fuck out of town this weekend

dont want to google anything on this thread - what do edl and uaf stand for?

edl - English Defen$e Le@gue. Don't know the other one.

Where are they marching this weekend?

3nglish Defense L3ague
Unit3d Again5t Faci5m

xp Leicester

Prob don't have to googleproof the second one.

That's facist!

So, who's got the list of EDL members?

http://www.stokecityfansforum.org.uk/

Are you saying Nick Hancock is a member of the EDL?

* Electronic Defense Laboratories, an American company
* English Defence League, a British far-right single issue organisation, opposed to the spread of Islamism, Sharia law and Islamic extremism in England
* European Democratic Lawyers
* Every Day Life, a rapcore group

he is a member of one of these, but i am not at liberty to say which one

Good luck, UK.
48% of the population would consider supporting a new anti-immigration party committed to challenging Islamist extremism, and would support policies to make it statutory for all public buildings to fly the flag of St George or the union flag.

aye i heard about this. sdl had a demo in paisley yesterday. dead even with the folk brought in. glad that scotland doesn't yet need antifa.

i love catching folk out when they give me some anti-immigrant shite and i say "my dad came to this country as a refugee, he would have been shot if he'd stayed in his country" and give them a shit eating grin.

The Searchlight poll's interesting in a number of regards - not least the fact that those 48% had the option of voting for an openly anti-immigration party (Howard's Conservatives, UKIP, etc) at General Elections and, largely, didn't. It also raises questions about how much people actually know about the scale of non-EU immigration at the moment. The new quotas for skilled workers are extremely limited, English tests have been introduced for spouses (English tests that on the whole aren't actually available to the people who need to take them) and the government is willing to strangle the higher / further education sectors to reduce student visa applications, simply to make the figures look good. There's not much more they can do short of leaving the EU or actively repatriating people.

I genuinely don't think British people are any more xenophobic than those of any other European country, particularly at an individual level. A lot of the people saying that 'Muslims cause problems' will probably have friends or, at least, aquaintances they get on well with, who are Muslims. The line's fed so often from the media, 'Muslims' in the abstract get distanced from the actual Muslims they'll interact with daily. That distance gets harder to maintain when it's talked about in actual policy terms. I'm not sure the likes of Vlaams Blok or the Freedom Party would get much traction here.

by this flag, some guys named vince (pictured l, r (obscured))

what did the romans ever do for you, etc

Finding it difficult to explain to my four-year old. "Daddy, why are there lots of helicopters?" "Because lots of bad people want to walk down the road"

― I've been to Suffolk (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 1 September 2012 13:20 (15 minutes ago) Permalink

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is that banner photoshopped or is that actually what they've written

looks like the appropriate level of discourse to be real

hang on "racist"???

against teh whites i assume

it's tough being a white tbh apparently Professor Griff doesn't like me

Am at bell corner. EDL approaching now, road completely blocked by counter demo and police, no idea what they're gonna do now

their aesthetic is pretty much real ale labels writ large, if a real ale producer decided that their market was too ethnically diverse and cosmopolitan

xxp EDL guys should be given a Public Enema IMO

I'm at The Bell too now, Colonel Poo. Never seen this many police before. Where are the EDL?

I'm at the town hall gate. Can't get through. Police line just put their riot helmets on.

time to lay into those anti-racists

I'm blocked in. The police very kindly let me in to the junction and now won't let me out.

watching the EDL bus getting attacked in Whitechapel last year was some life affirming stuff

I've managed to get back to the bell, seems to be possible to walk through but now a crowd is forming and the police are lining up again. I've just been at the town hall where the EDL actually are, crowd tried to rush some of them but got held back. I'm off back now if I can get down hoe st...

I managed to escape after about 15 mins when they eventually relented and let a couple of elderly Asian men out.

lol @ that pic. "royal berkshire" indeed

Great, now I'm being kettled I guess. Bottom of hoe st was open so I walked up only to meet police line and upon turning back round they've blocked the way back as well.

That's pretty much what happened to me. With any luck you'll be out within half an hour. Can't you use your army connections?

be marching on the other side probly

is this

and i understand the purpose of not letting them march 'unopposed'

but is this too much attention to pay this vermin?

it's all part of the same rigmarole yes, the marchers rely on some SWPified enablers, but what the fuck you gonna do, dudes need heavy bricking

yeah i know, wouldn't want them to have the freedom of the place, but heavy and precipitous police presence seems to dignify 'em. Should just be civvies in deckchairs wearing novelty clown noses, jeering at them, bring the kids, make a day of it

should just be one dead eyed firearms squaddie with an mp5 and a sign saying fuck off

heavy and precipitous police presence seems to be more about lol easy overtime than anything, cf yr average league 2 match

the EDL coach getting attacked in whitechapel was suposedly the 'muslim defence league'

drearily predictable

real entertainment here is the revision war on robinson's wikipedia page

Back home now. Not sure what all that was about, there didn't seem to be much point keeping us in there, especially since people were trying to go the opposite direction from the town hall/EDL route back to Blackhorse Rd.

re giving them the publicity, yeah it's a tricky one. Not sure how I stand on that.

I guess they are being escorted back to the station now. They didn't get to have their rally in the town hall, just got herded into a side street. It was getting a little feisty at one point when some of them were getting escorted from a van, people running along chucking bottles and stuff, thought it might kick off but there were tons of police. Including some hungry looking alsatians.

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/9905922.WALTHAMSTOW__Police_make_arrests_as_far_right_march_turns_violent/
EDL outnumbered ten-to-one by the counter-demo

Robinson was arrested after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets on 3 September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending the demonstration. After his arrest, Lennon began what he called a hunger strike in custody in Bedford Prison, claiming to be a "political prisoner of the state".[16] and refused to eat halal meat (which in fact he had not even been offered).[17] A local paper however reported that Bedford Prison sources had claimed that "his hunger strike lasted only 24 hours and then he gave up when he got peckish".[18] A handful of EDL supporters protested outside the prison in support of Lennon during his incarceration, peaking in a turnout of 100 protesters on 10 September.[19][20][21] Lennon was released from prison on 12 September.[22]

violent enterprise provoking violence turns violent

was gonna say, 'succeeds' was prob the word they were looking for

They can't even do their own signs properly. They needed to leave out the commas, and add Commie Nazi.

I don't know why they were given permission to march in Walthamstow it is very ethnically diverse.
I grew up there.

Robinson was born in Luton to Irish immigrant parents.[4] Robinson has said, "Sixty per cent of Luton is Irish. Nearly every single one of my friends is Irish. I'm proud to have Irish heritage but I call myself English."[4] He married in 2011 and is the father of three children.[5] His family is under 24-hour police protection due to claims that Muslims are threatening to behead his family, and he wears protection when appearing in public.[6][7] Lennon is the owner of a sunbed shop in Luton.[7]He is also a cock juggling thundercunt.

aren't there loads of italians in bedfordshire? if so how do they fit into the race war

making britain tanner

The EDL or similar fascist grouping were in Dundee today - apparently lots of cops and not many marchers.

one and the same etc

lol all cops are racists

Ho ho ho ho ho ho!
http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/809-edl-suffer-humiliating-defeat-in-walthamstow

Yeah it seems to have been a bit of a disaster all round. Lots of EDL members saying they've had it with the group. Of course some are just saying they'll join one of the more hardline groups so it's not necessarily a great thing overall.

i really, really recommend this imminent book: http://www.versobooks.com/books/1163-bloody-nasty-people

disclaimer, dan's a v good friend of mine, but it really does join a lot of interesting dots and he's an excellent writer

yeah, have been looking forward to dan's book for a while...

Lots of EDL members saying they've had it with the group. Of course some are just saying they'll join one of the more hardline groups so it's not necessarily a great thing overall.

considering the edl have a bit of a problem with that arse/elbow thing this is kinda like a cancer metastasising

Some twat called me a "leftie ponce" as he got off the tube tonight. I'm not in any way "hard" but wtf he was sat across from me for half an hour and couldn't bring himself to challenge me until he was getting off the train? Pathetic.

Yeah, sorry about that.

The cunts are trying to come back again:
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/wfnews/9920143.WALTHAMSTOW__EDL_set_date_for_new_march/
http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/latest-news/820-edl-plan-return-to-walthamstow

EDL Walthamstow march on Saturday banned. Stuff going round twitter/"casuals" sites that they're going to be there anyway.