I Just Wanted To Take Another Look At You - the 2018 ILX Film Poll Results Thread

Please, no eating crisps during the feature, and for the full experience, don't read the thread on your phone.

I'll probably just end up watching it on my iPad 8 months later.

you and your titles! at least it's from a 1937 film (originally).

While people are finding their seats, we have some experimental short subjects to open the programme.

One might have thought there would be strong agreement on the year's worst, but it seems voters are mostly adept at avoiding the same flicks. Still, consensus was reached (with a quorum of two) on the following:

Disobedience (d: Lelio, w: Lelio/Lenkiewicz, b: Alderman) 6 pts
Boy Erased (w/d: Edgerton) 7 pts
Vice (w/d: Mckay) 8 pts
Mute (d: Jones, w: Jones/Johnson) 10 pts

A quorum was reached on one more new-to-viewers good film 1890-2017 than on bad films 2018:

青梅竹马 / Taipei Story (1985 d/s: Yang, w: Chu, Hou, Yang) 10 pts
Le Bonheur (1965, w/d: Varda) 13 pts
Distant Voices, Still Lives (1988, w/d: Davies) 13 pts
Cluny Brown (1946, d: Lubitsch, w: Hoffenstein/Reinhardt, b: Sharp) 14 pts
Playtime (1967, d: Tati, w: Tati/Lagrange) 15 pts

Oh, I saw Distant Voices, Still Lives last year and totally forgot about it! It would have made my new-to-viewers category. It's hardly my neck of the woods, but strikes me as being one of the best depictions of working class Britishness I've ever seen. Hearing Davies speak about it in the Q&A afterwards, it sounded like it was quite personally painful to make (and hard to fund).

hardly my neck of the woods

As in Northern, I mean

voted for Playtime, which I first saw last October. there was so much to look at in that film, I had to watch it two times in a row

xp ah was at the same screening i think!

beautiful film and, having not seen much davies, far more enigmatic in form than i expected! voted for that and taipei story; everytime i've seen a yang for the first time it's been a completely overwhelming experience

none of bad films i saw made it, and didn't see any that did because they looked bad

Nearly 800 votes were received from 28 voters for 222 different films.

There are more than one film in the top fifty that refer to types of mammal in the title. 13% of the new productions in the list were primarily photographed on film. 46% of the list are US productions.

Only one TV miniseries has made it in.

https://i.imgur.com/TlVOGHr.jpg

50. The Square
w/d: Ruben Östlund
SE 2017 digital
70 points, 3 votes

Placed at #30 in 2017, with 78 votes and 475 points

Perhaps not quite as good as his masterpiece Play, but a lot better than Force Majeure. I didn't see it as satirizing the art world as much as class structure in Sweden in general. Modern art being just as much an ostentatious display of societal power as the horse statue that get's broken in the first scene. It's not subtle, but I loved it.

- Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 July 2018

most things don't need satires -- most things are bad enough!

- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2018

what, you're not gonna call out what's on RED and what's on Arri Alexa??

lol alfred otm

I liked Force Majeure but thought this sounded smug and unappealing when it came out. Maybe I'll sample it if it appears on any of my streaming services though.

I expect i will have missed most of the top 50. I'm very good at telling when I won't like something.

(so I don't go)

didn't vote in this poll, but i'm thankful this thread has a title i can click on at work.

oh so this thing again

xposts

nm, I just saw the running time.

yeah we were 2 of those 3. bottom of my ballot, but it was quite a short ballot, so i guess i gave it quite a lot of points! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

devvvine, we keep haunting the same places!

I really liked this at the time, though the effect has worn off a bit since. I remember loving the part with the infinite rubbish (non-metaphoric) enough to eclipse any deficiencies.

in the words of Scott Walker and Jacques Brel, NEXT!

there won't be too many more tt/imago double-booster wouldn't-have-placed-otherwise trash, treasure it whole you can

while

https://i.imgur.com/9zDuLX0.jpg

49. Green Book
d. Peter Farrelly w. Nick Vallelonga, Brian Hayes Currie, Peter Farrelly
US 2018 digital
71 points, 3 votes

Haha ok what the FUCK is this green book movie, how is it real. I saw the trailer and it was hilariously bad, it really feels like a parody trailer in the “simple jack” genre. Like, I might actually watch this it looks so bad

― wins, Monday, December 3, 2018

own up whoever u are

gotta be lurkers

or euros

lol smoke'em out

A joke post this early?

Or is that the element of surprise? Really, I'm hoping that's what this is...

Oh god okay. I’m sorry. I was asleep when I made my ballot. But also I went in expecting to hate it and didn’t. It was just way more free-wheelingly entertaining than a lot of the typical Oscar-bait and its (many) errors felt earnestly made and not nefarious, though I may well be wrong on that.

You are, dont worry.

It was right near the bottom of my ballot so I’m not the only culprit here.

I didn't vote for it, but I agree that Green Book is problematic but also entertaining

almost everybody I know in real life loved it

Dan In Real Life is not eligible this year

If it was a fakeout, I would have used this pic:

https://i.imgur.com/Xk0xk2P.jpg

lol

oh great! the "Old Town Road" thread redux

even thinking about that performance art scene in The Square a year + later makes me uncomfortable, it was so creepy

https://i.imgur.com/gZXbB6R.jpg

48. 江湖儿女 [Ash Is Purest White]
w/d: Jia Zhangke
CN 2018 DV-cam, digital, film
77 points, 3 votes

China in de jaren 2000, wat doen ze daar zoal? Ash is Purest White geeft op subtiele wijze een groot aantal hints. Het begint met een mooi kijkje in een small time gangsterwereldje. Redelijk goeiig totdat een mysterieus uitgelokte turfwar het leuke koppel uit elkaar drijf. Zij offert zich voor hem op en hij kan niet op haar wachten. Zo begint een fascinerende reis (richting het westen, gokte ik, mijn topografie van China is zwaar ondermaats) waar de hoofdpersoon nergens lijkt te kunnen aarden. Pijnlijk op zo'n zwijgende Aziatische manier en mistroostig maar ook weer niet te. Laatste 45 minuten lagen wat zwaar op de maag vooral omdat er nog echt weinig gebeurd. Ik zag zelf persoonlijke sores, een maatschappij in beweging richting een soort technologische moderniteit en landschappen die altijd hetzelfde zullen blijven. Ik ontwaarde ook een voorzichtig poëtische kritiek om de censors/geldschieters niet teveel tegen de tenen te stoten.

― OMC, Saturday, June 1, 2019

voted for this, not one of his best but still better than most working directors at their best. the moment of 'unreality' here worked for me a lot better than it did in previous films.

saw it at the 2017 NYFF, voted for it

as ever, towering performance from zhao tao

Second tier Jia, will likely make top 30 on my lis next year

The first act was perfect, it went a bit downhill after that, but still much better 99% of everything else released imo.

Top 4 feels right.

Good poll, sic, thanks for running it. Been too busy to comment much but I enjoyed the rollout.

xxp I loved Daniel Giménez Cacho's performance in this, he was so consistently self-possessed

also Lola Dueñas (Luciana) was mesmerizing as the gossipy noblewoman who teases and frustrates him

re: Shoplifters, I think Sakura Andô is great in this but I also love Lily Franky and Kirin Kiki

feels in retrospect that the crucial scene in it is when Shota confronts Osamu over breaking their moral code

I liked First Reformed a lot, voted for it, but also had a hard time with it, is was so cold and sad. I had to watch the last few scenes over again for the events of it to really sink in, was the ending supposed to represent reality or a dying man's fantasy?

I will revisit the whole thing again at some point but it was heartbreaking to watch

THANK YOU SIC!

imo "cold" is not a pejorative

no I agree, but i grew up in a strict, religious germanic family and "cold" in that sense is an element that I react to

Well done, sic!

Spider-Verse: nerds (didn't see, but I will maybe)
Favourite: high on my worst list; see the Greek stuff
Mandy: ffs {didn't see)
Zama: think I had it 14th, possibly overrated
Burning: overrated
Shoplifters: ditto
First Reformed: my #3

shameful omission: Amazing Grace (NY/LA, December '18)

thanks sic, cept for those funny papers pages you posted

1R was not "cold," this is the old shit Kubrick usta get.

was the ending supposed to represent reality or a dying man's fantasy?

Schrader said it wasn't his idea, but someone brought up the ambiguity, so he cut out the shot of our heroine walking into the rectory to make it ambiguous.

really kevin, u should at least remember the llamas

The Letterboxd list (I've seen 17/50)

I like "cold," and I would describe Kubrick that way. He is my favorite director

just reacting on a personal level to this

that ending was really something

If you mean unsentimental, sure. I don't think the boy's death scene in Barry Lyndon is cold (nor HAL's). Nor Christiane's song at the end of Paths of Glory.

agree

Here was my full top 10:

First Reformed (Paul Schrader)
24 Frames (Abbas Kiarostami)
Cold Water (Olivier Assayas)
Zama (Lucrecia Martel)
Hale County This Morning, This Evening (RaMell Ross)
Monrovia, Indiana (Frederick Wiseman)
BlacKkKlansman (Spike Lee)
Support the Girls (Andrew Bujalski)
Let the Sunshine In (Claire Denis)
Shoplifters (Hirokazu Kore-eda)

I like your list

never heard of Cold Water

it's hard to pick a favorite Assayas film for me

I might've voted for Cold Water if I remembered much about it from the late '90s

(have it out of the library now)

shoplifters made me cry twice, which is a feat

first reformed is one of the greatest movies released in my lifetime

Top Fifty in one place

1 First Reformed (Schrader) 556 points, 18
2 Shoplifters (Kore-eda) 520 points, 18
3 Burning [버닝] (Lee Chang-dong) 492 points, 18 votes,
4 Zama (Martel) 462 points, 15 votes,
5 Mandy (Cosmatos) 384 points, 14 votes,
6 The Favourite (Lanthimos) 329 points, 14 votes,
7 Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (Lord, Rothman, et al) 285 points, 10 votes,
8 Let the Sunshine In (Denis) 278 points, 11 votes,
9 Eighth Grade (Burnham) 274 points, 11 votes,
10 Sorry To Bother You (Riley) 270 points, 10 votes,
11 The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (Coen Bros) 252 points, 10 votes,
12 Hereditary (Aster) 250 points, 10 votes,
13 Leave No Trace (Granik) 246 points, 11 votes,
14 Happy As Lazzaro [Lazzaro felice] (Rohrwacher) 233 points, 9 votes,
15 Western (Grisebach) 231 points, 8 votes,
16 BlacKkKlansman (Spike Lee) 225 points, 10 votes,
17 Claire's Camera (Hong) 202 points, 7 votes,
18 You Were Never Really Here (Ramsay) 200 points, 8 votes,
19 Roma (Cuaron) 186 points, 7 votes,
20 Annihilation (Garland) 182 points, 8 votes,
21 Madeline's Madeline (Decker) 168 points, 7 votes,
22 Support the Girls (Bujalski) 162 points, 7 votes,
23 Isle of Dogs (Anderson, W.) 158 points, 9 votes,
24 Paddington 2 (King, Farnaby) 141 points, 6 votes,
25 The Other Side Of The Wind (Welles) 133 points, 5 votes,
26 Free Solo (Vasarelyi & Chin) 123 points, 6 votes,
27 Monrovia, Indiana (Wiseman) 121 points, 4 votes,
28 The Rider (Zhao) 117 points, 6 votes
29 24 Frames (Kiarostami) 114 points, 4 votes
30 Loveless (Zvyagintsev) 110 points, 4 votes
31 Faces, Places (Varda, JR) 106 points, 5 votes
32 Hale County This Morning, This Evening (Ross) 104 points, 4 votes
33 First Man (Chazelle) 101 points, 4 votes
34 The Death of Stalin (Ianucci) 100 points, 5 votes
35= Can You Ever Forgive Me? (Heller, Holofcener, Whitty) 98 points, 6 votes
35= Dead Souls (Wang) 98 points, 3 votes
35= Eight Hours Are Not A Day (Fassbinder) 98 points, 3 votes
35= Phantom Thread (Anderson, P.T.) 98 points, 4 votes
39= mid90s (Hill) 92 points, 3 votes
39= Thoroughbreds (Finley) 92 points, 4 votes
41= The Image Book (Godard) 91 points, 4 votes,
41= The Wild Pear Tree (Ceylan) 91 points, 3 votes
43 Elephant Sitting Still (Hu Bo) 89 points, 3 votes
44 Bros: After The Screaming Stops (Goss Bros) 84 points, 4 votes
45 Museo (Ruizpalacios) 83 points, 3 votes
46 McQueen (doco) 81 points, 3 votes
47 Minding the Gap (Bing Liu) 78 points, 4 votes
48 Ash Is Purest White (Zhangke) 77 points, 3 votes
49 Green Book (Vallelonga) 71 points, 3 votes
50 The Square (Östlund) 70 points, 3 votes

I surely would have voted for Cold Water if I'd thought about it as being new...not disagreeing; I just didn't realize I was seeing a re-release (or whatever) when I saw it last year (first in a theatre, then again on DVD a few weeks later). Top three or four.

Quick transformation to average points - could be wrong as I relied on excel formulas

1= Dead Souls 32.667 (3 votes)
1= Eight Hours Are Not A Day 32.667 (3 votes)
3 First Reformed 30.889 (18 votes)
4 Zama 30.8 (15 votes)
5 mid90s 30.667 (3 votes)
6 The Wild Pear Tree 30.333 (3 votes)
7 Monrovia Indiana 30.25 (4 votes)
8 Elephant Sitting Still 29.667 (3 votes)
9 Shoplifters 28.889 (18 votes)
10 Western 28.875 (8 votes)
11 Claire's Camera 28.857 (7 votes)
12= Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse 28.5 (10 votes)
12= 24 Frames 28.5 (4 votes)
14 Museo 27.667 (3 votes)
15 Loveless 27.5 (4 votes)
16 Mandy 27.429 (14 votes)
17 Burning [버닝] 27.333 (18 votes)
18= Sorry To Bother You 27 (10 votes)
18= McQueen 27 (3 votes)
20 The Other Side Of The Wind 26.6 (5 votes)
21 Roma 26.571 (7 votes)
22 Hale County This Morning This Evening 26 (4 votes)
23 Happy As Lazzaro [Lazzaro felice] 25.889 (9 votes)
24 Ash Is Purest White 25.667 (3 votes)
25 Let the Sunshine In 25.273 (11 votes)
26 First Man 25.25 (4 votes)
27 The Ballad of Buster Scruggs 25.2 (10 votes)
28= Hereditary 25 (10 votes)
28= You Were Never Really Here 25 (8 votes)
30 Eighth Grade 24.909 (11 votes)
31 Phantom Thread 24.5 (4 votes)
32 Madeline's Madeline 24 (7 votes)
33 Green Book 23.667 (3 votes)
34= The Favourite 23.5 (14 votes)
34= Paddington 2 23.5 (6 votes)
36 The Square 23.333 (3 votes)
37 Support the Girls 23.143 (7 votes)
38 Thoroughbreds 23 (4 votes)
39= Annihilation 22.75 (8 votes)
39= The Image Book 22.75 (4 votes)
41 BlacKkKlansman 22.5 (10 votes)
42 Leave No Trace 22.364 (11 votes)
43 Faces Places 21.2 (5 votes)
44 Bros: After The Screaming Stops 21 (4 votes)
45 Free Solo 20.5 (6 votes)
46 The Death of Stalin 20 (5 votes)
47= The Rider 19.5 (6 votes)
47= Minding the Gap 19.5 (4 votes)
49 Isle of Dogs 17.556 (9 votes)
50 Can You Ever Forgive Me? 16.333 (6 votes)

Biggest absence = Cold War? I thought it was just OK, and not as good as Ida, but made most other Top Ten type lists.

sic, thank you for your service

50 Can You Ever Forgive Me? 16.333 (6 votes)

Perfect.

sic, can we get a list or link for #51-222?

This took a minute. I'm sure I'm missing a few options here; feel free to add your own (and kanopy clicks) if you want:

Currently Streaming in the US (6/2019):

1 First Reformed - Amazon Prime
2 Shoplifters - Hulu
3 Burning - Netflix
4 Zama - Amazon Prime
5 Mandy - Shudder
6 The Favourite – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
7 Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse - Netflix
8 Let the Sunshine In - Hulu
9 Eighth Grade - Amazon Prime
10 Sorry To Bother You - Hulu
11 The Ballad of Buster Scruggs - Netflix
12 Hereditary - Amazon Prime
13 Leave No Trace - Amazon Prime
14 Happy As Lazzaro - Netflix
15 Western - Amazon Prime
16 BlacKkKlansman - HBO
17 Claire's Camera - Criterion
18 You Were Never Really Here - Amazon Prime
19 Roma - Netflix
20 Annihilation - Amazon Prime - Hulu
21 Madeline's Madeline - Amazon Prime
22 Support the Girls - Hulu
23 Isle of Dogs - Hulu
24 Paddington 2 - HBO
25 The Other Side Of The Wind - Netflix
26 Free Solo - Hulu
27 Monrovia, Indiana - PBS
28 The Rider - Starz
29 24 Frames - Criterion
30 Loveless - Starz
31 Faces, Places - Netflix
32 Hale County This Morning, This Evening – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
33 First Man – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
34 The Death of Stalin - Showtime
35= Can You Ever Forgive Me? – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
35= Dead Souls – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
35= Eight Hours Are Not A Day - Criterion
35= Phantom Thread - Cinemax
39= mid90s - Amazon Prime
39= Thoroughbreds – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
41= The Image Book – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
41= The Wild Pear Tree – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
43 Elephant Sitting Still – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
44 Bros: After The Screaming Stop – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
45 Museo – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
46 McQueen - Amazon Prime
47 Minding the Gap - Hulu
48 Ash Is Purest White – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
49 Green Book – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming
50 The Square - Hulu

didn't vote, probably would have voted Death of Stalin, Blackkklansman, Sorry to Bother You, The Favourite, Mandy, First Reformed, IoD, Bear 2, have to figure out the rest.

had no idea First Reformed was so highly regarded, not having been exactly blown away by anything Schrader or fuckin Ethan Hawke has done in like... 20 years?

I mean Dog Eat Dog was *insane* but idk if it was that good

it's a double comeback

xp

you can buy/rent The Image Book on youtube

I see these as available on Kanopy: First Reformed, Eighth Grade, Hereditary, Leave No Trace, Madeline's Madeline, Faces Places, Mid90s, McQueen

Hawke has been in plenty of good/interesting things in that period

i mean yeah Hawke was in Boyhood

44 Bros: After The Screaming Stop – Not Currently Available for Subscription Streaming

Ned's link still works for €3.99

lol if i had voted it would've just reinforced the positions of mandy and first reformed

two movies i straight up hated that placed: annihilation and hereditary

had no idea First Reformed was so highly regarded, not having been exactly blown away by anything Schrader or fuckin Ethan Hawke has done in like... 20 years?

― Οὖτις, Friday, June 28, 2019 1:54 PM (

Hawke swept every critics prize...?

here's the bubbling under:

51 Private Life (Jenkins) 68 points, 4 votes
52 Upgrade (Whannel) 67 points, 4 votes
53= If Beale Street Could Talk (Jenkins) 65 points, 3 votes
53= Mission: Impossible - Fallout (McQuarrie, 35mm/65mm/helmet/phone) 65 points, 3 votes
55= A Star Is Born (Raccoon) 64 points, 2 votes
55= Cold War (Pawlikowski) 64 points, 4 votes
57 Black Panther (Coogler) 62 points, 4 votes
58 Birds Of Passage (Guera, Gallego) 61 points, 2 votes
59= Arcadia (Wright) 59 points, 3 votes
59= Unsane (Sodes &al.) 59 points, 3 votes
61 Blindspotting (Diggs &al.) 58 points, 4 votes,
62= John McEnroe: In the Realm of Perfection (Blind Ref) 57 points, 2 votes
62= Wildlife (Dano, Kazan) 57 points, 3 votes
64 Shirkers (Sandi Tan) 56 points, 3 votes
65 Widows (McQueen) 55 points, 3 votes
66= Gräns [Border] (Abbasi, Lindqvist) 54 points, 2 votes
66= Crazy Rich Asians (v/a) 54 points, 3 votes
68= Game Night (Daley & Goldstein) 50 points, 3 votes
68= Nervous Translation (Seno) 50 points, 2 votes
70= Bisbee '17 (doco) 49 points, 2 votes
70= Three Identical Strangers (doco) 49 points, 3 votes
72 Touch Me Not (Pintile) 48 points, 2 votes
73 Mom And Dad (Taylor) 46 points, 2 votes
74 1985 (Yen Tan) 44 points, 2 votes
75= Climax (Noé) 43 points, 2 votes
75= The Green Fog (Maddin &al.) 43 points, 3 votes
77 The Road Movie (dashcam) 43 points, 2 votes
78 Lean On Pete (Haigh) 38 points, 2 votes
79 The Guilty (Möller) 36 points, 2 votes

Cool that The Guilty got three points! It was my third favorite Danish film from last year

when the kush hits pic.twitter.com/TwJ35UcueR

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) June 22, 2019

various artists directed Crazy Rich Asians?

various asians

the most compelling theme of the movie to me was the depiction of banal oppression (as opposed to histrionic, crushing oppression) of life under colonial rule

― Simon H., Thursday, June 27, 2019 8:59 PM (four days ago)

I compared it to "burmese days" after seeing it, so I think this is an excellent description

still thinking about how perfect CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME? is pic.twitter.com/WlqS8SekUA

— John Oursler (@JMOursler) July 4, 2019

35mm/65mm/helmet/phone

misremembered: there's one shot on SLR, not phone

thought Bisbee '17 was an interesting story about the 1917 deportation of copper mine workers in southern Arizona after a strike

and about the difficulty reconciling collective memory.