Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

With apologies if you had a better title.

lol we're all gonna.. die?

this title is terrible lock thread and start again

this is always the subtext of these threads

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yeah the thread titles are almost as bad as the US politics ones.

content is a bit better though

not a poll?

it doesn't mention brexit OR that we're all gnna die, halloween is two days early and it's bad

polly mackenzie and fraser nelson on NN. marked how bad their analysis is when put against stephen bush

sb is so dreamy it’s ridic

Tom D to thread to talk about Fraser’s accent 🚨

xp this is not said enough

it doesn't mention brexit OR that we're all gnna die, halloween is two days early and it's bad

― mark s, Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:13 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Bad as in we're all gonna die, or bad bad like that effing pumpkin gif?

FN has a fairly typical posh northeast highland accent.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIFJxgXWkAIcrwe?format=jpg&name=large

No Lenin hat, no credibility

Some awful layout work there

london engulfed by the sea then smashed by the moon, reindeer noses all red, everything under heaven utter chaos, situation excellent

the fact that they've already got the fucking poppy on the front page is beyond parody.

already got the fucking poppy on the front page

Correct me if I'm wrong but the fucking poppy is displayed all year around nowadays no? Saw it on counters of "trendy" shops a month ago. That shit will never go away.

I find that front page anti-semitic

Bored with the election already tbh.

haha

seems like a bit of a strategic mistake letting parliament vote YES to your deal and then pulling it for an election where you say parliament is BLOCKING brexit

despite all the stage management, the line is sounding paper thin on today rn

despite all my stage i am still paper thin on the page

McDonnell on good form already. Turning on Sky Breakfast News this morning, the strapline: Brexit Election >:(

🎶Rip it up and start again🎶

Corbyn looks great in that Mail front page

Where the fuck has the latest Green messaging been coming from? They've certainly lost me for this election, and I'd imagine their vote will crash across the country, which can only help Labour really

cut to alphie and calz looking smug

The Liberal Democrats are “within a small swing of winning hundreds of seats”, its leader, Jo Swinson, has claimed

https://media.giphy.com/media/1cFNeNUnpn6Tu/giphy.gif

well, i've already hit my limit on how much vox pops i can handle between now and the 12th of December

cut to alphie and calz looking smug

― imago, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Gotta deliver posting at this crucial time, like I've never done before #sorryNotsorry

cut to alphie and calz looking smug

Where the fuck has the latest Green messaging been coming from? They've certainly lost me for this election, and I'd imagine their vote will crash across the country, which can only help Labour really

Keep death-wishing I lived in a marginal and I don't mean a Swinson-brain marginal where the LD vote was in single figures in 2017.

Are we really going to have to look at this thread title for the next month and a half?

I'm already finding it a good mood-setter for the dismalness of the upcoming campaigns from all concerned

I can vote as a Commonwealth citizen but since I'm in a constituency that the Lib Dems narrowly snatched from the Tories in 2017 and I plan on bailing asap with no intention of ever returning, I'd rather just sit this one out and wish you all the best of luck.

Matt - I believe you have powers to change this title?

it won't take effect in bookmarks where it counts

I can vote as a Commonwealth citizen but since I'm in a constituency that the Lib Dems narrowly snatched from the Tories in 2017 and I plan on bailing asap with no intention of ever returning, I'd rather just sit this one out and wish you all the best of luck.

Pom, no one really minds a vote for LDs in that circumstance and as someone who has lived here for nearly three decades who nevertheless cannot vote, please vote.

I would be delighted to be able to vote for my MP, Keir Starmer.

That's fair, suzy (and gyac). Labour got less 15% in 2017 so it appears to be a lost cause 'round these parts.

I will be voting for Keir Starmer. If this parliament goes the full term (no chance) this will be the last UK general election I get to vote in.

Wouldn't want that dilemma of voting LD in a Tory seat where they're the likeliest gainer. Wouldn't judge anyone for doing so.

Labour if elected should change the expat franchise rules - 15 years FLIES by.

Especially because the labor election loss handwringing seems to be resulting in costing up with coal mining shitbags down here.

Just registered. I'll get a postal vote application form, which should keep it hassle-free. I do find it somewhat amusing that my Canadian citizenship affords me more democratic rights than my EU one in this instance.

the fucking wankers retweeting that John Lennon vid from '72 imploring people to register to vote are all dead to me.

John Lennon: #brexitInADitch

Xps. Being pro remain works well in remain areas, e.g. scotland, putney. Not so good in gammon-on-wear and wales

What else did the Tories have to offer but Brexit?

Racism
Discrimination
Inequality
Benefit cuts
NHS up for sale
etc etc

A lot of people sure are on board with all of this.

Heard way too many "well they got what they deserve, they can get fucked and fuck right off out of the eu" already today, around me and in the media here. Which isn't that unexpected really. Ugh. So sorry for you guys.

Seems so much like a return to the Victorian era. & I guess things haven't even started yet.
If Boris was acting like that before he had a mandate how much worse does he become once he's got one.
Keep thining that both he and trump ought o simply be signs that the respective electoral processes are broken but they seem to be held as beacons by some. Is this actually real? Cos my suspension of disbelief isn't working for it.

LBI otm - I understand the desire to point at a thing and say "that made the difference", but after a pasting like this, everything made a difference, including offering socialism to the English.

My mother is a leave-voting Tory and thinks that Johnson’s majority means he can start to isolate the hard right and govern as a Cameron-style social liberal, which seems optimistic to say the least.

It’s pretty much just the hard right left.

Why didn't Labour, Greens, LDs work harder to form some sort of alliance? brexit party worked perfectly as a spoiler party for the tories, but greens, LDs and labour just got in each other's way.

― Graham Kendrick Lamar (cajunsunday), Friday, 13 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Worked in NI. But in England it would've won an extra 20 seats. At constituency level leave massively favoured the Tories

Heard way too many "well they got what they deserve, they can get fucked and fuck right off out of the eu" already today, around me and in the media here.

This is by far the most common take in France. Can't really blame them tbh.

And I agree with Andrew that there's a significant portion of the population (and not just in this country, mind you) that prefers sadomasochism to socialism: it's a matter of 'character' to them.

― pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

That's just ludicrous btw.

We have to keep offering an alternative and double down on it. A lot of people will need to do work to turn this around.

In both countries people turned out and voted within well understood systems for representative democracy. So I think it's difficult to say they're broken. I think FPTP is a huge problem, but it was as likely to deliver Labour votes as Tory ones.

I do think the interplay between the right wing press and the BBC - the hegemonic broadcaster - is disastrous for democratic accountability. The throttling of local government funding is a handy way to blame local parties for central government ideology and austerity, with the knock-on effect of making pork-barrel handouts more electorally useful, which corrupts democracy. It has been in the Tory party interests to increase a sense of political futility (the establishment). The move away from material considerations to culture wars and nationalisms results in a reduction in an understanding of and support of the civic realm - the location of the demos if you like - and so democracy is damaged once again by a lack of a sense of a shared notion of being a citizen. Ultimately the Tory party has been pursuing nationalist populism, which says that the State is the problem, and its ability to deliver social and civic structures that benefit society is in fact the expression of an unaccountable Establishment that wastes your money. Again, I think that is a failure of democracy.

But the voting mechanisms, not so much.

Keep telling yourself that, if it helps you get up in the morning. But the fact of the matter is that not everyone wants the same things as you, and some people – a lot of people – are outright malevolent in their selfishness.

xp

xpost to the 'is democracy borked' q.

Pom - people have voted for this in the past. You shouldn't lay stuff like this on people you don't know and don't care to understand.

I don’t think England realises the significance of the fact that the son of the human rights lawyer the British state collaborated in the murder of is now an MP

— Kuba Stawiski 🇵🇱 (@kayes67) December 13, 2019

I mean if you believe that's what people are why do you get up in the morning? xp

See you "I'm moving to Scotland" lot? I welcome anyone anywhere they want to be, but your patter's rotten.

Here's a thread to make you feel even more shite about the election. There's gey little hope in our result either.

— Harry Josephine (@HarryJosieGiles) December 13, 2019

pom otm and I don't know why I get up in the morning tbh

Can't really blame them tbh.

Except to say that thousands and thousands of vulnerable people will suffer as a result of this, including a lot of EU nationals who, like myself, have put down enough roots here that simply leaving isn't an option and, unlike myself, aren't privileged enough to be sheltered from the worst of it.

I mean I know you know this pom but really today my tolerance for that kind of flippancy is at an all time low.

What does 'double down' mean for you - a second Twitter account?

people you don't know and don't care to understand

Cuts both ways, you know.

I'm fundamentally neither a pessimist nor an optimist when it comes to so-called 'human nature'. You seem to be more of the latter, and that's ok.

Sorry Daniel, but you have to expect some amount of blowback from the continent after being systematically demonized for so long.

And yeah, agree with pom that significant portions of the British populace have been brainwashed into thinking that better things aren't possible and spite towards the Other is the only benefit they will ever get. Agree with xyzz that we need to continue proposing an alternative nonetheless. #hegel

The age breakdown of voters really gives the best indication of how 2024 might be. Though landscape in 2024 is of course likely to be substantially different

bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Lol you know what it means Andrew - permanently left Labour that offers the kind of things people still think are good. For a start.

That list of things people still think are good in full:

Racism
Discrimination
Inequality
Benefit cuts
NHS up for sale

better things aren't possible and spite towards the Other is the only benefit they will ever get

It's not just that, though. It's that what we believe are 'better things' aren't better at all according to their model. That spite is precisely what they cherish and nurse: it's their primary motivator – lest we fall back on a Catholic-style 'sin is separation from God' ideology, which I don't buy at all. Awfulness and selfishness and violence are their own reward for some people, and this is part of who we are as a species.

Precisely.

xp

Sorry Daniel, but you have to expect some amount of blowback from the continent after being systematically demonized for so long.

This is footie team nonsense, there's not some amorphous The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

"I'm fundamentally neither a pessimist nor an optimist when it comes to so-called 'human nature'."

I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol. But it's not so much optimism. I don't see last night's result as a rejection of socialism. Forms of it gave been voted for.

It's a nice way to let off some steam fwiw. To wit: since it's going to become a Singapore-style tax haven that will hurt the rest of Europe, fuck the UK.

That kind of thing.

2xp

I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol.

I can see why you'd think that, but I'm certainly not for giving up the fight or jettisoning politics altogether. On the contrary.

People liked the manifesto in 2017. The media strategy didn't work.

The problem this time around really came down to Brexit.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

Nine times out of ten that sort of "letting off steam" comes from ppl who will be negatively affected in only the most abstract of ways, and as with the same sort of ppl tittering "lol dumb yanks, they deserve their Trump" or "haha those fucking russians, of course they love Putin" I find it callous and contemptible. There's plenty of worthy targets to take aim at, reducing things to some abstract "Britain" w/o thinking of the fact that there's actual lives that are going to be affected is, I dare say, a very brexit way of thinking.

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I mean neutralise as in "it's going to happen anyway, how do we make sure we limit the damage as much as possible?" That's reasonably uncontroversial, surely?

There's very little doubt in my mind that media coverage over a number of years affected the result, voters looked at the Labour Party and thought 'that looks like a shambles'. The fact that the Tory Party was also as much of a mess registered less because it was covered less.

A first (exasperated) reaction isn't a position, though.

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

Is there any way that this will not be a 5 year term?

Yes. Once they've repealed the FTPA and gerrymandered the constituencies and introduced voter suppression, they can call an election whenever it most suits them.

NEW THREAD SO LOCK THIS ONE AND GO TO THAT ONE:
bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

do we need a new thread yet?

Fair enough, Daniel, I guess it's one for the private moments of irrational, cathartic exasperation.

The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

I don't think anyone on here is denying the real implications Daniel, it's not so much lols either. It's more that a lot of people are thinking "a big majority of the people voted for their own people to suffer."

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Did it vote leave or not in 2016?

(will move to the new one in a bit)

sorry to be clear I should say the Dennis Skinner result

We're all gonna die.

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