Browserism!

(This probably doesn't apply in this case but I can't even be bothered to spend the ten seconds it takes to load Opera or NS to look at the page, let alone download megabytes of new browser to view it, as the webmaster suggests the general public should be gagging to do just because his page might be so interesting.)

the reason i don't use IE very much is because i don't think it works very well, not because of anti-microsoft sentiments. but i tend to harp less on that, and take the PRO-OPERA tack.

UP WITH OPERA

DOWN WITH PANTS

btw, my opera is set to identify is IE, which it does, but build # identifies Opera5. this guy's site showed up for me

That was very much not worth loading Mozilla for.

You're an idiot.

Andrew

If the information you were trying to access is worth your trouble, you can install Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, or any other browser and then come back. If, on the other hand, you feel that's too much hassle, then obviously you can live just as happily without the information you were trying to access. In that case, off you go to the next site.

This approach is known as "Microsoft manners" and works very well, as Microsoft itself is proving.

The webmaster.

This is provocation.net

Det är det enkla som är det svåra. Den rena avskalade formen, det stringenta
men ändå samtidigt lite mystiska och fantasieggande innehållet. Klar kultstatus.
Efter alla flash-program (som börjar bli jävligt uttjatade och kännas jävligt
billiga vid det här laget) så känns detta som en befrielse.

Thomas Hammar i WebTrend, April 2001

I got a reply from this dickhead, his name is "Zenon Panoussis":

> That was very much not worth loading Mozilla for.

Whether it's worth it or not, is your own decision and your
own risk. I run a whole bunch of domains under the MSIE block
and I have absolutely no idea which one of them was not to
your taste. In any case, downloading a browser to view my
websites is like paying to enter a newspaper archive or a
porn site: either you do what's required of you and don't
complain or you put a finger in the air and go elsewhere.

> You're an idiot.

Look at the mirror and say that again three times aloud.

Z

It's Swedish. Anyone speak it? å + ä + ö => Swedish; Danish and Norwegian have the å but have æ and ø instead of umlauts, though sometimes Danish uses aa for å; Icelandic has fun stuff like þ and ð; Finnish doesn't look like the others and indeed isn't related, it has just ä + ö and likes Ks and As and doubled letters a lot, doesn't like different consonants clustering together, especially not at the start of words, and doesn't like B, C, F or G very much; Estonian looks like Finnish gone wrong.

(Oops, I was going to get up before noon for reasons I can't even remember. Oh well.)

Norweigan to English:
Facts är facts simple as är facts svåra. It rena shells fitness , facts stringenta but ändå at the same a little mysterious och fantasieggande innehållet. Apparent kultstatus. Efter alla bottle program ( as börjar become jävligt uttjatade och kännas jävligt cheap ample facts här layer ) saw känns this as a emancipation.

Finnish to English:
Det är det enkla som är det svåra. Den rena avskalade formen det ankara men ändå samtidigt lite mystique och fantasieggande innehållet. Klar kultstatus. Efter below flash program som börjar bli jävligt uttjatade och pickled jävligt billiga vid det här laget så pickled detta som en befrielse.

Via Intertrans

i heart IE, even if it's supposed to be evil etc. etc.

I can't find the original WebTrend article online so I don't know if it's talking about something else on the same server/domain or what.

Tack så mycket to the people I annoyed in a Swedish chatroom and an IRC channel. Oh, and also to google, http://dictionaries.travlang.com/SwedishEnglish/ and http://hem.passagen.se/qjocke/dictionary/ for allowing me to get 90% of the words and about 0.3% of the meaning last night, I suppose.

Of course, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that it's probably behind-the-scenes stuff that Microsoft was doing to the OS and to other applications (not to mention pages created in FrontPage) that was causing Netscape not to run any more. (I seem to recall the slogan, apparently apocryphal, that M$ was said to use while developing apps and OSes: "the job isn't done until (xxx) won't run".)

I also gave Opera a shot as well and was less than happy with the results despite my optimism; a lot of pages just wouldn't display properly, and parts of the browser were detached from the other parts, and it was just a mess of a user experience. I understand it's gotten better, but IE works just fine, still, usually. Whether that's because of Microsoft trickery or not, it doesn't matter much to me. Those who lock people out because they're using a particular browser for philosophical reasons rather than compatibility reasons really need to ...I was going to say "eat hot death", but that's a bit extreme. Maybe they should just go out and have some fun rather than taking their toxic personality out on the world though petty shit like this.

I just wish IE had a "Find next" function with keyboard shortcut like, oo, every other program in the world, especially since the Find box itself often takes a while to pop up for me, and that bookmark navigation wasn't so awkward, and that it trusted me enough to let me see the actual error messages instead of taking a few seconds to bring up a local file which says the same thing regardless of whether it's a timeout or a DNS error.

At work I'm still on netscape 4.7 on linux, because it's really fast. I've tried out Mozilla, but not recently, so maybe it's gotten better recenlty-- but last time I tried it, it was sooooooooo slow that I gave up after a day & uninstalled it.

Mark, look & see if it has the popup window quashing code still- I think that it does.

Mozilla is not slow anymore! Try it.

God, I'm sounding like some sort of zealot. I don't even use it myself.

One of the nicer features of iCab: you can keep it from passing the "Referer" value in HTTP. This is a boost for privacy, but it also comes in handy for other things. For instance, when that image from somethingawful.com was linked, I saw the intended picture, not the penis picture, because iCab kept them from seeing where my browser was coming from. And when slashdot.org linked to a website recently, and that site temporarily blocked page requests from slashdot.org in order to deal with the "Slashdot effect" (bandwidth/server problems caused by getting 10,000 or more hits in an hour), I was able to get through to the site using iCab.

I've just installed the newest version of Opera on the Win98 machine at the office, and hope to start using it instead of Explorer, but so far, it doesn't really "feel" good enough for me to feel comfortable advocating for it in the office. Maybe I'll try Mozilla there too, though I've heard vague hints that Mozilla can potentially destabilize a Win98 system -- has anyone had any problems along those lines?

(phil, i never worked out how to use that browser system w.the lion's face: but thanks for trying to help out an old man anyway)

it seems that mozilla and opera function very much the same.

re: searching in opera: there are about 15 or so search windows you can place in your links bar. there are about 35 predefined searches that you can access through the address field. for instance, type "g fremme" to google search "fremme" etc. you can easily define your own searches, for instance i made "gl" for google+i'm feeling lucky and "gs" for google site: and so on. you can do all of this in IE also. probably mozilla??

the one thing i did like about the google toolbar in IE was that your search words automatically appeared in the toolbar for in-page finds, i currently have to type 'f fremme' to find the word on the page

[insert Kalaupapa/Molokai joke here]

but thanks for trying to help out an old man anyway)

You're welcome -- always glad to help. MacLynx is a bear, and now that you've got your new iMac (right?), Mozilla's probably your best bet. I do like to keep around a copy of WannaBe for those "give-me-text-and-nothing-but-text" moments, though. It's nice for looking at sites in slow-loading tables.

i think you can do that on opera too, phil. there is a check box to 'disable referrer logging'?? is that it?

Sounds right to me!

Another thing I like about iCab -- the HTML checker. It comes in very handy, especially when you're trying to do ADA-compliant websites...

Opera's good too, but i think Mozilla currently has the edge slightly.

(Rebecca: You're forgetting to be rubbish again. Keep up)