T/S: New York Style Pizza vs. Chicago 'Deep Dish' Style Pizza

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Inspired by, of all things, some random segment I just saw on The Talk. I'm not sure we've ever polled this, but if so it can't hurt to revisit. Who wins?!

Poll Results

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New York 78
Chicago 29


🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:01 (five years ago)

People voting for Chicago hate themselves.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:03 (five years ago)

99% of the pizza I eat in my life is “normal” i.e. approximately “New York” style. Chicago style is thus a special treat, and I love a treat. Therefore my vote is for Chicago.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:04 (five years ago)

Obv I've never been to either but fuck a deep dish

Todd Phillips, party auteur (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:05 (five years ago)

deep dish is great obv, quit lying to yourselves, but truth is chicagoans don't eat deep dish on the regular, it's more of a yearly treat or something for the tourists. regular pub style pizza in chicago is the real good shit, every neighborhood in the city and suburb has multiple places doing a variation on that style and it's usually great.

omar little, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:08 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NCOpoZJOj0

let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:09 (five years ago)

Is cheese the most important ingredient of pizza for you? If so, Chicago.

I voted Chicago.

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:11 (five years ago)

Detroit red

El Tomboto, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:13 (five years ago)

DC jumbo slice

El Tomboto, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:13 (five years ago)

one of these things is pizza

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:14 (five years ago)

Neapolitan style

o. nate, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:16 (five years ago)

Both great

brimstead, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:20 (five years ago)

i don't think i've ever had the quintessential chicago-style deep dish pizza. maybe one day. i eat new york style slices/pizzas on average a couple of times a week.

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:22 (five years ago)

how has this never been polled

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:30 (five years ago)

but truth is chicagoans don't eat deep dish on the regular, it's more of a yearly treat or something for the tourists.

I ate deep dish at least once a month and sometimes weely when I lived in Chicago. Granted, that wasn't very long and I was an out-of-towner.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:33 (five years ago)

Haha, pizza on a bagel? You can have that anytime.

― Hurting 2, Thursday, May 1, 2008 10:25 PM (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:35 (five years ago)

Side poll for Chicago style voters: Do you like to drown your spaghetti with 3X the recommended daily allowance of chef boyardee?

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:38 (five years ago)

regular pub style pizza in chicago is the real good shit

tavern style you mean

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:40 (five years ago)

iTs a CaSeRoLe nOt a PiZzA

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:41 (five years ago)

the most important ingredient of pizza

^^^ doesn't 'get' pizza?

lumen (esby), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:41 (five years ago)

tavern, pub...you know what i'm saying though.

omar little, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:47 (five years ago)

I burned out on NY style a long time ago I think. The jumbo slice beats it for greasiness and form factor anyway. I’ll still go for a deep dish whenever it’s available though, as silby points out above.

El Tomboto, Friday, 7 February 2020 20:57 (five years ago)

Write-in vote for English style pizza.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:11 (five years ago)

write-in for italian varieties itt is the equivalent of "i don't even own a tv"

(write in for sfincione tho)

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:13 (five years ago)

I'd go to Giordano's for deep dish on my birthday nearly every year growing up. There was a location by my grandma's so mayyybe we might cajole our parents to go there one other time during a year (back when there were hardly any deep dish options in the burbs). So yeah Omar is right that it's a treat even for locals. Fucking delicious tho and I question people's taste buds if they hate it. There's Giordano's and Malnati's locations in Phoenix now so I'll often pick one up as I'm heading back home. They never seem to be busy, even on a weekend night.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:23 (five years ago)

We would save our crusts from Giordano's and give them to my grandma. Kinda gross to think about now, a pile of gnawed on crusts with saliva samples from a bunch of different people, but she loved them.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:26 (five years ago)

they opened a Gino's East in L.A. recently

there have been a few deep dish "options" which have been open for awhile in the greater L.A. area but most of them are pretty mediocre attempts.

omar little, Friday, 7 February 2020 21:27 (five years ago)

a pile of gnawed on crusts with saliva samples from a bunch of different people

my future thoughts will be haunted by this

omar little, Friday, 7 February 2020 21:27 (five years ago)

I think deep dish is great as a concept and a memory but I don’t think I was ever able to eat more than one slice at at time.

Write in for the focaccia from the coco pazzo pizzeria in Torino if only for the marketing rhyme, “Una bel’foccacia voi mangiare, alla Coco Pazzo devi andare”

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:34 (five years ago)

The Giordano's & Malnati's in AZ are just as good as in IL. Back around 1999 we went to a Uno's in AZ, which was abysmal.
There's a Rosati's in Prescott AZ that's almost as good as IL ones but also never busy. Went to their location in Lake Havasu City in December and it was…not good. Just like every food place we tried in town. They didn't even do the square cut!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:47 (five years ago)

They sell frozen Gino's at grocery stores here. Got a friend hooked on them. Told him they're so much better from the restaurant. I keep meaning to save him a slice when I pick one up in Phoenix but somehow it disappears…

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:54 (five years ago)

Also sell frozen home run inn which is pretty good for frozen pizza

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:55 (five years ago)

Curious how versions of NY style slices on other locale compare to the real thing

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:56 (five years ago)

There was this great little Chicago style pizza place in Orange County ,CA Tony’s little Italy that had really great Chicago style pizza I used to stop there all the time when I visited my grandparents.It was better than the ones I had in Chicago.

Some of the best pizzas I’ve ever had are the bar pies at a few places here in north jersey.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:05 (five years ago)

Obv I've never been to either but fuck a deep dish

if you haven't been to Chicago then it's quite plausible that you are thinking of something that isn't deep dish

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:17 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooizM4P27lA

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:27 (five years ago)

Only Detroit style I've had is in Telluride and it is fantastic. Last visit I got it two days in a row, and I'm the type of tourist who likes to try new food places every meal.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:30 (five years ago)

I think you're only supposed to eat one slice of Chi-style. Also it seems like there are thousands of places serving a decent NY slice, but only a small handful of places that do truly great Chicago pizza?

(honestly haven't had Chi pizza since the last time I was at Pequod's, which was years ago, and I won't go out of my way for it until the stars align to go back there)

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:30 (five years ago)

Yeah I did some research and deep dish isn't deep pan, which, well, fuck that pointless monstrosity.

Would still rather have proper pizza tho

Todd Phillips, party auteur (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:31 (five years ago)

https://i.insider.com/5e31f91a24306a1ab34f3454?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp

How is this not a pie?

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 7 February 2020 22:35 (five years ago)

It's a pizza pie.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:36 (five years ago)

It's not a pizza anything, not where I'm from.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 7 February 2020 22:36 (five years ago)

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/pizza-pie

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:40 (five years ago)

Well, flat it ain't.

The New York Pizza brand over here are the deepest, thickest crust pizza's around, but it's flat as a board compared to Chicago style in the US.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 7 February 2020 22:42 (five years ago)

iT's NoT ReAl PiZzA

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:45 (five years ago)

Write-in vote for Chicago Tavern-style - there's so many good ones.

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 7 February 2020 22:49 (five years ago)

Write-in vote for English style pizza.

― Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:11 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

when we needed a hero, one alone stood up

TOO LOW, the Curator (imago), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:52 (five years ago)

pizza vs lasagna

k3vin k., Friday, 7 February 2020 22:53 (five years ago)

Luis you do not get a vote in here

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:54 (five years ago)

Insult to injury, provel is made in WI specifically for St. Louis pizza.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:22 (five years ago)

write in for dr. oetker

||||||||, Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:24 (five years ago)

pmsl chicago absolutely seen off here

||||||||, Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:25 (five years ago)

too close

― EZ Snappin

sleeve, Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:25 (five years ago)

Like Granny Dainger above, I "question people's taste buds" if they hate Chicago deep dish.

crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:57 (five years ago)

I have enjoyed it when I've eaten it but it seems a category apart from "pizza" and its countless other varieties mentioned itt

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:01 (five years ago)

ugh again with this. it's pizza dough with pizza sauce and pizza ingredients. invented by pizza makers in a pizzeria.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:05 (five years ago)

but also it's kind of a casserole

it's all good man

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:07 (five years ago)

anyway the "pizza dough" in deep dish is quite unlike that of most every other pizza, not just neopolitan—buttery and flaky and just v different

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:10 (five years ago)

lol I was about to bring up the "it's a casserole!" thing. do you really think calling it a casserole would get across its essential nature better? Does it really fit in more with things that are thick and baked but basically never have doughy crusts and layers of tomato sauce and cheese, topped with things like pepperoni, sausage, pepeprs than things that are pizza dough + tomato sauce + cheese + toppings served by the slice? What would you prefer it to be called on menus if not deep dish or stuffed pizza? "Casserole with dough bottom & tomato sauce & cheese"??

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:14 (five years ago)

http://chicagopizzaandovengrinder.com/menu/

this stretches the definition of pizza even further I think, tho I've never tried it

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:17 (five years ago)

xp that does have a certain ring to it

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:23 (five years ago)

do you really think calling it a casserole would get across its essential nature better?

If you put Chicago deep dish in front of an Italian, I bet it's 50-50 they associate it with pizza.

Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:24 (five years ago)

deep dish what? lol

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:26 (five years ago)

Sorry, Chicago Deep Shit Pizza.

Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:29 (five years ago)

it's a variation on pizza. it's not a variation on a casserole, even tho it has casserole qualities. it's like saying tacos arabe aren't tacos, but a flatbread.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:29 (five years ago)

the people who invented it get to name it, sorry

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:30 (five years ago)

lol I was about to bring up the "it's a casserole!" thing. do you really think calling it a casserole would get across its essential nature better?

Please, how many of you willingly consume "cheeseburger pizza"?

crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 March 2020 19:46 (five years ago)

pizza casserole could work? a la pizza bagel

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:01 (five years ago)

granny dainger u have been seen off. pipe down

||||||||, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:24 (five years ago)

whew glad you put your crack pipe down

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:26 (five years ago)

welcome to the thunderdome @chicago. ur pizza is a casserole.

— New Jersey (@NJGov) March 5, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 March 2020 21:06 (five years ago)

http://chicagopizzaandovengrinder.com/menu/

I've had it! It's not pizza, it's more like a ... cheese soup on a bread bowl.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2020 21:36 (five years ago)

New Jersey can go jump in a scrapple lake.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 March 2020 21:38 (five years ago)

http://chicagopizzaandovengrinder.com/menu/

don't want to sound judgy but everything on this menu looks like garbage. the salad appears to be served up in a dog food dish?

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:26 (five years ago)

chicago thin crust pizza is a marvellous thing, i haven't eaten it in so long

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:26 (five years ago)

i bought a chicago deep dish cookbook on a trip there years ago and it messed up my understanding of how pizza dough is made for the longest time. milk??? fennel sausage is the best, though. i really want to visit scarr's.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:27 (five years ago)

PIZZA. POT. PIE. Need we say more? #localish pic.twitter.com/dklZ7MehWG

— Localish (@localish) March 21, 2019

this does not look appetizing

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 12:19 (five years ago)

New Jersey can go jump in a scrapple lake.

― Josh in Chicago

this deserves a New Jersey response:

Ayyy, fuck you buddy!

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:25 (five years ago)

as a Garden Stater born and bred I miss not wondering "how the pizza is" in a given pizzeria

not a lot of deviation from the pizza quality norm in NJ

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:34 (five years ago)

This is true. In the Midwest, you absolutely never know how the pizza will be if you're wandering into a new place.

crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:38 (five years ago)

same here in New England, total crap shoot

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:40 (five years ago)

is khachapuri pizza?

Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:49 (five years ago)

Doner meat or chicken tikka?

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 8 February 2020 00:39 (one month ago)

How about Full English Breakfast?
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/stoke-pub-pizzeria-launches-new-11139062

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:17 (five years ago)

https://i2-prod.getsurrey.co.uk/incoming/article11139937.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/JS43370754.jpg

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:18 (five years ago)

No.

Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:46 (five years ago)

Fun fact: this is from a pub in Guildford that I used to walk past on my way to technical college. It was originally called The Stoke, but them in the early 2000s (I think) it was turned into a dire Irish theme pub called 'Finnegan's Wake'. Then after the owners realised that even in Surrey people don't want shit Irish theme pubs, it went back to being The Stoke.

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:50 (five years ago)

i've had a pizza with a fried egg on it, i've had a pizza with tomato slices on it, not had black pudding on pizza but i could see it working

my only hard "no" of these is the baked beans

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 16 March 2020 01:22 (five years ago)

I love pizza with tomato slices. Underrated: pizza with potatoes.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 03:08 (five years ago)

yes, potatoes are a fantastic pizza topping for sure!

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 16 March 2020 08:48 (five years ago)

I don't care whether a pizza is thin or thick or whatever. My ancestors were from Italy. I care whether it was made by a person of Italian descent. In the cities, the person making your pizza respects their ancestors.
This is a stupid fight when in some parts of the country, people are xenophobic as hell and bastardize pizza in a way that is unforgivable.

I mean, pizza's nothing to die over.

Two words for you : "Bite Down" (I M Losted), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:56 (five years ago)

loads of pubs in my town have english breakfast pizzas now

the worst was one i had that looked perfect normal but had all the breakfast components underneath the cheese including scrambled eggs

nxd, Monday, 16 March 2020 14:04 (five years ago)

If that’s just bacon, sausage and mushroom with an egg in the centre alla Veneziana, that’s a pizza I would eat. Baked beans touch it, however, that’s a NO from me.

santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 16 March 2020 14:10 (five years ago)

That egg on top looks overcooked.

Yerac, Monday, 16 March 2020 14:14 (five years ago)

We're having Chicago pizza tonight. It's a fundraiser, yeah, but all of you haters will be jealous when we're full for a week and you're hungry tomorrow.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 15:04 (five years ago)

no i've got some leftover casserole in the fridge

j., Monday, 16 March 2020 15:58 (five years ago)

Stack that casserole on another casserole and you get a Chicago pizza.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 16:15 (five years ago)

We've got leftover homemade pizza in the fridge from yesterday. Some of it has potatoes, but not much, because that stuff went fast.

Torei, Monday, 16 March 2020 17:06 (five years ago)

one year passes...

Anyway, my favorite style other than neo-neopolitan is the grandma pie, which is a Long Island style pizza. It is a square pie baked in an olive oil coated pan with a crisp crust, like a thin-crust sicilian pie. Judicious use of cheese and crushed tomato rather than tomato sauce. When done right it is very good.

― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Saturday, February 8, 2020 7:43 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Neat little video on the origins of the grandma pie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCuuwMQpQ2Y

Captain Beefart (PBKR), Thursday, 12 August 2021 12:47 (four years ago)

interesting video. there is one, not particularly good, pizza place that does the grandma pizza here. it's not bad, and it's cheap - two slices are like $5. a little thicker than these original ones though if i recall correctly.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 12 August 2021 19:16 (four years ago)


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