T/S: New York Style Pizza vs. Chicago 'Deep Dish' Style Pizza

People voting for Chicago hate themselves.

99% of the pizza I eat in my life is “normal” i.e. approximately “New York” style. Chicago style is thus a special treat, and I love a treat. Therefore my vote is for Chicago.

Obv I've never been to either but fuck a deep dish

deep dish is great obv, quit lying to yourselves, but truth is chicagoans don't eat deep dish on the regular, it's more of a yearly treat or something for the tourists. regular pub style pizza in chicago is the real good shit, every neighborhood in the city and suburb has multiple places doing a variation on that style and it's usually great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NCOpoZJOj0

Is cheese the most important ingredient of pizza for you? If so, Chicago.

I voted Chicago.

Detroit red

DC jumbo slice

one of these things is pizza

Neapolitan style

Both great

i don't think i've ever had the quintessential chicago-style deep dish pizza. maybe one day. i eat new york style slices/pizzas on average a couple of times a week.

how has this never been polled

but truth is chicagoans don't eat deep dish on the regular, it's more of a yearly treat or something for the tourists.

I ate deep dish at least once a month and sometimes weely when I lived in Chicago. Granted, that wasn't very long and I was an out-of-towner.

Haha, pizza on a bagel? You can have that anytime.

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Side poll for Chicago style voters: Do you like to drown your spaghetti with 3X the recommended daily allowance of chef boyardee?

regular pub style pizza in chicago is the real good shit

tavern style you mean

iTs a CaSeRoLe nOt a PiZzA

the most important ingredient of pizza

^^^ doesn't 'get' pizza?

tavern, pub...you know what i'm saying though.

I burned out on NY style a long time ago I think. The jumbo slice beats it for greasiness and form factor anyway. I’ll still go for a deep dish whenever it’s available though, as silby points out above.

Write-in vote for English style pizza.

write-in for italian varieties itt is the equivalent of "i don't even own a tv"

(write in for sfincione tho)

I'd go to Giordano's for deep dish on my birthday nearly every year growing up. There was a location by my grandma's so mayyybe we might cajole our parents to go there one other time during a year (back when there were hardly any deep dish options in the burbs). So yeah Omar is right that it's a treat even for locals. Fucking delicious tho and I question people's taste buds if they hate it. There's Giordano's and Malnati's locations in Phoenix now so I'll often pick one up as I'm heading back home. They never seem to be busy, even on a weekend night.

We would save our crusts from Giordano's and give them to my grandma. Kinda gross to think about now, a pile of gnawed on crusts with saliva samples from a bunch of different people, but she loved them.

they opened a Gino's East in L.A. recently

there have been a few deep dish "options" which have been open for awhile in the greater L.A. area but most of them are pretty mediocre attempts.

a pile of gnawed on crusts with saliva samples from a bunch of different people

my future thoughts will be haunted by this

I think deep dish is great as a concept and a memory but I don’t think I was ever able to eat more than one slice at at time.

Write in for the focaccia from the coco pazzo pizzeria in Torino if only for the marketing rhyme, “Una bel’foccacia voi mangiare, alla Coco Pazzo devi andare”

The Giordano's & Malnati's in AZ are just as good as in IL. Back around 1999 we went to a Uno's in AZ, which was abysmal.
There's a Rosati's in Prescott AZ that's almost as good as IL ones but also never busy. Went to their location in Lake Havasu City in December and it was…not good. Just like every food place we tried in town. They didn't even do the square cut!

They sell frozen Gino's at grocery stores here. Got a friend hooked on them. Told him they're so much better from the restaurant. I keep meaning to save him a slice when I pick one up in Phoenix but somehow it disappears…

Also sell frozen home run inn which is pretty good for frozen pizza

Curious how versions of NY style slices on other locale compare to the real thing

There was this great little Chicago style pizza place in Orange County ,CA Tony’s little Italy that had really great Chicago style pizza I used to stop there all the time when I visited my grandparents.It was better than the ones I had in Chicago.

Some of the best pizzas I’ve ever had are the bar pies at a few places here in north jersey.

Obv I've never been to either but fuck a deep dish

if you haven't been to Chicago then it's quite plausible that you are thinking of something that isn't deep dish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooizM4P27lA

Only Detroit style I've had is in Telluride and it is fantastic. Last visit I got it two days in a row, and I'm the type of tourist who likes to try new food places every meal.

I think you're only supposed to eat one slice of Chi-style. Also it seems like there are thousands of places serving a decent NY slice, but only a small handful of places that do truly great Chicago pizza?

(honestly haven't had Chi pizza since the last time I was at Pequod's, which was years ago, and I won't go out of my way for it until the stars align to go back there)

Yeah I did some research and deep dish isn't deep pan, which, well, fuck that pointless monstrosity.

Would still rather have proper pizza tho

https://i.insider.com/5e31f91a24306a1ab34f3454?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp

How is this not a pie?

(from here: https://www.businessinsider.com/giordanos-and-lou-malnatis-deep-dish-pizza-compared-2020-1?international=true&r=US&IR=T#the-other-two-dominant-flavors-in-this-pizza-were-tomato-sauce-and-buttery-crust-21 )

It's a pizza pie.

It's not a pizza anything, not where I'm from.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/pizza-pie

Well, flat it ain't.

The New York Pizza brand over here are the deepest, thickest crust pizza's around, but it's flat as a board compared to Chicago style in the US.

iT's NoT ReAl PiZzA

Write-in vote for Chicago Tavern-style - there's so many good ones.

Write-in vote for English style pizza.

― Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Friday, 7 February 2020 21:11 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

when we needed a hero, one alone stood up

pizza vs lasagna

Luis you do not get a vote in here

Insult to injury, provel is made in WI specifically for St. Louis pizza.

write in for dr. oetker

pmsl chicago absolutely seen off here

too close

― EZ Snappin

Like Granny Dainger above, I "question people's taste buds" if they hate Chicago deep dish.

I have enjoyed it when I've eaten it but it seems a category apart from "pizza" and its countless other varieties mentioned itt

ugh again with this. it's pizza dough with pizza sauce and pizza ingredients. invented by pizza makers in a pizzeria.

but also it's kind of a casserole

it's all good man

anyway the "pizza dough" in deep dish is quite unlike that of most every other pizza, not just neopolitan—buttery and flaky and just v different

lol I was about to bring up the "it's a casserole!" thing. do you really think calling it a casserole would get across its essential nature better? Does it really fit in more with things that are thick and baked but basically never have doughy crusts and layers of tomato sauce and cheese, topped with things like pepperoni, sausage, pepeprs than things that are pizza dough + tomato sauce + cheese + toppings served by the slice? What would you prefer it to be called on menus if not deep dish or stuffed pizza? "Casserole with dough bottom & tomato sauce & cheese"??

http://chicagopizzaandovengrinder.com/menu/

this stretches the definition of pizza even further I think, tho I've never tried it

xp that does have a certain ring to it

do you really think calling it a casserole would get across its essential nature better?

If you put Chicago deep dish in front of an Italian, I bet it's 50-50 they associate it with pizza.

deep dish what? lol

Sorry, Chicago Deep Shit Pizza.

it's a variation on pizza. it's not a variation on a casserole, even tho it has casserole qualities. it's like saying tacos arabe aren't tacos, but a flatbread.

the people who invented it get to name it, sorry

lol I was about to bring up the "it's a casserole!" thing. do you really think calling it a casserole would get across its essential nature better?

Please, how many of you willingly consume "cheeseburger pizza"?

pizza casserole could work? a la pizza bagel

granny dainger u have been seen off. pipe down

whew glad you put your crack pipe down

welcome to the thunderdome @chicago. ur pizza is a casserole.

— New Jersey (@NJGov) March 5, 2020

http://chicagopizzaandovengrinder.com/menu/

I've had it! It's not pizza, it's more like a ... cheese soup on a bread bowl.

New Jersey can go jump in a scrapple lake.

http://chicagopizzaandovengrinder.com/menu/

don't want to sound judgy but everything on this menu looks like garbage. the salad appears to be served up in a dog food dish?

chicago thin crust pizza is a marvellous thing, i haven't eaten it in so long

i bought a chicago deep dish cookbook on a trip there years ago and it messed up my understanding of how pizza dough is made for the longest time. milk??? fennel sausage is the best, though. i really want to visit scarr's.

PIZZA. POT. PIE. Need we say more? #localish pic.twitter.com/dklZ7MehWG

— Localish (@localish) March 21, 2019

this does not look appetizing

New Jersey can go jump in a scrapple lake.

― Josh in Chicago

this deserves a New Jersey response:

Ayyy, fuck you buddy!

as a Garden Stater born and bred I miss not wondering "how the pizza is" in a given pizzeria

not a lot of deviation from the pizza quality norm in NJ

This is true. In the Midwest, you absolutely never know how the pizza will be if you're wandering into a new place.

same here in New England, total crap shoot

is khachapuri pizza?

Doner meat or chicken tikka?

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 8 February 2020 00:39 (one month ago)

How about Full English Breakfast?
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/stoke-pub-pizzeria-launches-new-11139062

https://i2-prod.getsurrey.co.uk/incoming/article11139937.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/JS43370754.jpg

No.

Fun fact: this is from a pub in Guildford that I used to walk past on my way to technical college. It was originally called The Stoke, but them in the early 2000s (I think) it was turned into a dire Irish theme pub called 'Finnegan's Wake'. Then after the owners realised that even in Surrey people don't want shit Irish theme pubs, it went back to being The Stoke.

i've had a pizza with a fried egg on it, i've had a pizza with tomato slices on it, not had black pudding on pizza but i could see it working

my only hard "no" of these is the baked beans

I love pizza with tomato slices. Underrated: pizza with potatoes.

yes, potatoes are a fantastic pizza topping for sure!

I don't care whether a pizza is thin or thick or whatever. My ancestors were from Italy. I care whether it was made by a person of Italian descent. In the cities, the person making your pizza respects their ancestors.
This is a stupid fight when in some parts of the country, people are xenophobic as hell and bastardize pizza in a way that is unforgivable.

I mean, pizza's nothing to die over.

loads of pubs in my town have english breakfast pizzas now

the worst was one i had that looked perfect normal but had all the breakfast components underneath the cheese including scrambled eggs

If that’s just bacon, sausage and mushroom with an egg in the centre alla Veneziana, that’s a pizza I would eat. Baked beans touch it, however, that’s a NO from me.

That egg on top looks overcooked.

We're having Chicago pizza tonight. It's a fundraiser, yeah, but all of you haters will be jealous when we're full for a week and you're hungry tomorrow.

no i've got some leftover casserole in the fridge

Stack that casserole on another casserole and you get a Chicago pizza.

We've got leftover homemade pizza in the fridge from yesterday. Some of it has potatoes, but not much, because that stuff went fast.

Anyway, my favorite style other than neo-neopolitan is the grandma pie, which is a Long Island style pizza. It is a square pie baked in an olive oil coated pan with a crisp crust, like a thin-crust sicilian pie. Judicious use of cheese and crushed tomato rather than tomato sauce. When done right it is very good.

― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Saturday, February 8, 2020 7:43 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Neat little video on the origins of the grandma pie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCuuwMQpQ2Y

interesting video. there is one, not particularly good, pizza place that does the grandma pizza here. it's not bad, and it's cheap - two slices are like $5. a little thicker than these original ones though if i recall correctly.