Lana and Lilly Wachowski

need to see Bound and (somehow, still) Speed Racer, not sure I care to try Cloud Atlas

there is really only one answer here and i think you know what it is.

Glad to know there's another Jupiter Ascending fan here

should've put a "with Tom Tykwer" on the Cloud Atlas entry

watched reloaded and revolutions last saturday... the latter is such a pointless empty bore, i'd love to hear someone say a single interesting thing about it

a fourth The Matrix film, with Lana Wachowski directing alone, is supposedly slated for next year.

anyway Jupiter Ascending is good not bad.

If no one had taken The Matrix seriously as anything but silly entertainment it would be correctly valued for being quite entertaining, but silly. Alas, some people took it seriously and have done their damndest to ruin it.

I didn’t know they had both transitioned! The answer to this is the first matrix!

I would've used to say The Matrix easily, but having seen Bound and Cloud Atlas (yes even this, a magnificent thing that doesn't quite work) in recent years, I'd say those are close. And Speed Racer and Jupiter Ascending are fun. I'll still watch anything they put out.

Bound

speed racer is the masterpiece

have seen three of these, voted for the earliest of them

Cloud Atlas is a very successful adaptation imo - the book is an impressive and fun romp with pretensions to high art; the film dispenses with the pretensions.

I disagree; the pretensions are very much there ("the strong eat the weak!") but that's part of why I sorta love it?

I can't tell if Cloud Atlas is a travesty-of-an-adaptation or if I was just wrong to love the book as I once did

I haven't seen Jupiter Ascending but I can safely say that the correct answer is Speed Racer

Oh and also I'd seriously probably voted for S1 of Sense8, were it an option

Speed Racer the most enjoyable, alongside The Matrix. Bound fine too. the rest i can do without.

jupiter ascending is so batshit but there's something wrong with it that keeps it from being completely enjoyable. maybe it's edited weird? i need to watch it again

i still havent seen cloud atlas bc i wanted to read the book first. lol

idk if i'd be able to say anything interesting about matrix revolutions but i do love it; the subway set, neo's whole journey, the swelling vastness of the emotion during the battle scenes which are just visually staggering imo. i remember finding it disappointing when i was a teenager but now i just see a real commitment to spectacle and genuine earnest feeling. which is of course... perfected in speed racer

oh god and the fight with agent smith in the rain, god, that's kinda like the best shit ever

matrix just spun out of all control

i did really enjoy cloud atlas tho

the action sequences in reloaded are so good it is like a lost james cameron movie to me

huh i voted for speed racer already but i really shouldve voted reloaded just for cave rave

voted speed racer cause it is one of my all time faves and one of my biggest regrets in life is not seeing it in an IMAX when I had the chance. Cloud Atlas close behind though.

i should really watch all 3 post matrix ones. i've read cloud atlas and remember liking it but i was also like 22 at the time which is barely even old enough to be a person

I meant to vote for bound but accidentally voted for the matrix

boringly voted for The Matrix, but fgti is otm about Sense 8's first season

Re: Cloud Atlas. My opinion of David Mitchell has vastly changed over time... he's probably the most talented mimic I've ever read, number9dream is effectively a novel-length homage to Murakami and it ends up being better than any Murakami novel by a considerable margin. Ghostwritten has a very cool cyclical narrative, too. Ultimately, though, Black Swan Green is the only novel of his that I really loved, largely because it doesn't seem to be an exercise, it's pure coming-of-age narrative and it's really beautifully written and has a wonderful high-school dance scene that doesn't try too hard with its references and ends up being very charming (protagonist has a dance-floor epiphany to "Once In A Lifetime").

Jacob De Zoet is ok if you have a high tolerance for people who would use the word "Nihonophile" in casual conversation.

Cloud Atlas is a series of homages, iirc, and it's impressive to read but ultimately hugely unsatisfying-- especially, for me, after having been moved so much by Mitchell playing it straight with "Black Swan Green". It's also very immersive and very dense, everybody I know who has read it has kind of disappeared into it for a week of non-stop turning of pages

The Wachowski's decision to cast the same actors in multiple parts in Cloud Atlas really fucking sucked imo both in concept and execution, I feel like it was intended to be an argument for non-essentialism but it ended up being awkward and at times embarrassing

I fucking loved Sense8 though and I'm gonna watch it again

tbh the only reason I liked Matrix Revolutions was because Cornel West was deep in his starfucker mode when it came out and his character got killed

I agree with Sense 8 deserving a place in any poll like this; it is quintessential Wachowski and one of the desperate few if not sole honestly interesting and worthwhile "Netflix originals" (of which there is an unbearable sea of almost nothing but unmitigated trash otherwise). Far from flawless like the rest of their catalog, but similarly those imperfections and that messiness is a big part of what makes it special and truly unlike virtually anything else in television today or otherwise. Easily one of the best pieces of Queer art of the 2010s, infinitely more interesting and compelling than some of the dreadfully boring and tedious nonsense that happened to receive more think piece attention and acclaim like "Looking", and way more brazen and honest in its LGTBQ representation and exploration than most of those types of shows/films ever dared to imagine (in my opinion).

Of this poll, I can enjoy a sit through of all of these except the final Matrix film, but I think Speed Racer is the easy choice. Ironically and unironically amazing, easily the most visually astounding blockbuster of the 2000s. Definitely deserves reappraisal and revaluation for those who might've ignored or wrote it off back when it was released. In a post Parasite, post Enter the Void/Annihilation/Fury Road world where its kaleidoscopic visual schizophrenia and defiantly anti-capitalist undertones are now the critically and popularly acclaimed norm it would be a much more appreciated phenomenon. It's taken over a decade but its slowly starting to finally garner at least some of that cult reverence it rightfully always deserved but was denied upon release, where it was mercilessly crushed under the weight of Iron Man and the ensuing MCU/comic book tentpole tidal wave that modern blockbuster cinema is still obviously deeply submerged in. Also the GOAT live action anime/manga adaptation, Edge of Tomorrow and the old Lone Wolf and Cub films being the only others of any worth off the top of my head.

booming.

Sorry again to all sense8 fans for sure

I think it should be obvious what my answer is at this point

i haven't seen all these movies but i feel pretty comfortable saying that

Work In Progress

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lilly-wachowski-work-in-progress-1203289567/

completely agree; i'm unclear how much of Work in Progress is lilly's vision though.

“More like non-ja. Terrible what passes for a ninja these days.”

Not going to give folks shit for imprinting on The Matrix, but Felicity and I were absolutely correct on this 11 years ago: Feel the fear: Wachowskis and Christina Ricci do live-action version "Speed Racer"

(thread worth reading: Tombot steadily loses his goddamn mind)

If no one had taken The Matrix seriously as anything but silly entertainment it would be correctly valued for being quite entertaining, but silly. Alas, some people took it seriously and have done their damndest to ruin it.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, May 12, 2020 12:54 AM bookmarkflaglink

otm. I saw this with my high school friends at midnight at the podunk theater as a senior in high school, and had a blast. once I realized they planned to turn this into a fuckin' franchise with DEEP MEANING, MANNNN, I jumped off.

yes thank you Elvis for reminding me that you and felicity were right all along and I focused on all the wrong things in my powerful, roiling doubts

have bumped the thread as is my duty

the first matrix film left a seismic impact, so it’s really difficult to even consider anything else either of them has ever been involved in tbh

Unless you’ve seen Speed Racer

fair

I meant to vote for bound but accidentally voted for the matrix

idve voted series 1 of sense8 in a flash. exceptional television.

I need to watch it again. I mostly just remember "Doona Bae is amazing" and "there's an interdimensional orgy at the end"

Cloud Atlas is a fucking mess of a movie that somehow kind of works although I can't say it's "good". It's one of my favorite novels of recent years and while the movie more or less gets the points across, the pretensions in the book are a big part of why it's enjoyable. Anyway the answer to this is the Matrix (1) and almost all of the others are terrible, though I really liked Bound back in the 90's.

has anyone even seen Jupiter Ascending?

Speed Racer was robbed

missed this poll; would have voted Speed Racer.

bumping since brad is back now

welcome brad

i saw bound for the first time this week! it's perfect

I really enjoyed, stumbled upon it on the tv pre-matrix iirc. my favorites wachowskis movie, although I haven't seen half of them

didn't so much enjoy watching it with my dad as an adolescent mind you

i would still vote for speed racer in this poll but i keep thinking i'll never see another movie that's as good as bound

every time i think about that overhead shot with their hands pressed against each side of the wall ;_;

i also appreciate the really thorough critique of '90s crime movie masculinity wrapped up in joey pants' performance

this thread helped me get a clue in the saturday xword

i just started sense8 and yo I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHOW

just watched speed racer for first time and woah.

sense8 s1 is pretty great but s2 wore me out pretty quickly

what's the best movie ever made? either bound or speed racer

I really must watch speed racer huh

nb its kung fu hustle

I watched Speed Racer on the strength of you guys recommendation and I'm sorry to say I didn't like it much. Everything felt separated, disjointed and actors look like they're talking to nobody or rehearsing their lines to a mirror. The aesthetic and the races were quite good at times but I never felt it was reaching the right level and the little brother + ape were just tiresome. The only total success for me was Susan Sarandon blazing like a furnace of archetypal milf energy.

Dayenu!

lol archetypal milf energy

what, did the prevailing anticapitalism seem hollow? or the heightened oversaturated nonstop green screen aesthetic which in a lesser movie would be calling attention to its own artificiality and stylization but in speed racer is just the sensuous and hyperchromatic world it lives in? could you not feel that world bursting apart and recombining pixel by pixel every time a car accelerated

i will admit that every time the side intrigue between racer x and rain starts i'm like "i forgot this was in the movie," but i think it all fits together nicely and i would like the movie less if it were less needlessly complex

Wait susan sarandon is in this

AND john goodman aka john greatman

My reasons for watching susan sarandon arent the reasons that will swerve quickly to admire whatever john goodman is bringing to table

lmao, the last few posts have piqued my interest in this movie, not so much the archetypal milf energy of susan sarandon but the anticapitlism, honest.

it's about 30% action, 84% anticorporate propaganda

Milf auntycorporatism

i'm sold

I'll definitely give it credit for the anticorporate stuff but sorry, I really didn't enjoy the film much.

lol sorry RAG i just had to defend it a little

RAG vmic itt

this is the only place left on the internet where you can earnestly express admiration for susan sarandon without someone whinging about how she votes, well done folks

https://i.imgur.com/Cs4oWuL.jpg

I would like to see more films in the Speed Racer/Mario Kart/Wacky Races mode. Redline (anime film) is pretty good, I guess Mad Max has a bit of it, I haven't seen Death Race but I'm guessing that's what it is.

Death Race 2050 / Speed Racer would make a good double feature

Redline is great and Fury Road is amazing, I should get to seeing Speed Racer

Speed Racer is great and it does feature automobiles, but is otherwise just about as far from Fury Road as you can get.

Closer than Mad Max.

certainly much more CGI

Speed Racer was indeed great fun once my brain got accustomed to the crazy too-much-candy visuals

I got around to Bound a while ago. Flawless!

Bound def still my fave

Thought this was going to be about this

https://gizmodo.com/the-matrix-4-has-its-official-title-and-first-footage-1847550925

I'm not sure how or when, but my 9 year-old discovered Speed Racer on one of the streaming services and absolutely loves it. He's probably watched it four or five times already and keeps asking me why they didn't make more.

perfect opportunity to discuss the pitfalls of franchise media and the Marvelization of everything with your 9 year old

lol I actually did try to explain that distinction and why it's actually good, but I don't think it landed on a Marvel/Star Wars loving kid.

Also probably not the best example for that argument considering how many times Speed Racer has been rehashed

yeah plenty for him to get on with:

- Mach GoGoGo manga, 1966-68
- anime adaptation, 1967-68 / translated as Speed Racer the same year
- Speed Racer comic book, 1987
- Racer X comic book, 1988
- The New Adventures of Speed Racer TV cartoon, 1993
- Ninja High School featuring Speed Racer comic, 1993
- Speed Racer: The Movie, theatrical edit of two anime episodes, 1993
- Mach Go Go Go: Restart, 1997 (only partially translated as Speed Racer X)
- Speed Racer comic book, 1999
- Speed Racer daily strip, 2000-2001
- Speed Racer Lives! web series, 2007
- Speed Racer OEL, 2007
- Speed Racer live-action movie, 2008
- Speed Racer: The Next Generation TV cartoon, 2008-2011
- Speed Racer: Chronicles of the Racer comic book, 2008
- Racer X comic book, 2008

OEL OEM

You Must Remember This is back to its Erotic 90s season after a break, and the focus is on Bound (and Wild Side).

https://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/episodes/lesbian-chic-bound-and-anne-heche-in-wild-side-erotic-90s-part-15

Bound is on MUBI UK rn. Gonna watch it tonight/this week.