haha try and defend vice from accusations of stupidity NOW

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."Native Williamsburgers can handle it," he says. "But then you have rich kids who dive right in. They are going to ruin their lives."

oh those resillient savages! how i admire their constitution!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

second "funniest" line: Or maybe just get jobs. In the meantime, though, the return of crack is posing some other problems. "Now when you say to someone, 'Are you on crack?,' " complains McInnes, "they really might be."

my god, the rise in crack might lead to jokes being deflated!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

"Native Williamsburgers can handle it," he says.

Those Polacks love the crack rock!

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

RSACi: Language - Level 1: Mild expletives
RSACi: Language - Level 1: Mild expletives

The rating was obtained from the Web page.

The computer I'm at won't let me look a the web page!@#%*^+

― brg30 (brg30), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Why can't I make this work with that Jack Chick Page.......

― brg30 (brg30), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha, and I just finished reading _Invisible Man_!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Ironic crack use: classic or dud?

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:52 (twenty-three years ago)

what does "Chloë Sevigny–esque" mean? That "Alice" doesn't have a career?

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

an anorexic parasite.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

The words 'oy' and 'vey' come to mind and stay there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 November 2002 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean, is it really possible to feel ANY "sympathy" for these people at all? i can probably even work up some for heroin addicts in 2002.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

i think i can work up some scarequoted sympathy. not the real stuff tho.

― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

The punchline is that while they might smoke it ironically, they'll unironically be addicts begging to blow me for $5. And I will laugh at them.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Ironic crack use: classic or dud?

I'm thinking that a lot of the "ironic crack users" don't even realize how ironic they're being, cuz they didn't live in NYC in the '80s, with all the crackheads spazzing out on the subways and hassling people for change at the Port Authority.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Scarequoted sympathy = a punch to the face. I think I can work up some "sympathy" for Vice editorial.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

New York is becoming more mid 90s Los Angeles than I expected.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Is this 'haha let's kick Vice' thing just a way for you to even broach an important subject?

The article struck me as just a more-interestingly written version of this one in the Guardian, about how 50% of London street crime is now coke and crack-related. Vice wrote about the problem from a sympathetic insider POV, whereas The Guardian was more managerial and bland, full of police spokespersons with vague statements of alarm / reassurance.

Both articles point out that this resurgence of crack crosses the class divide.

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

no, momus, because i really don't find slumming hipsters blowing their minds on crack to even be remotely "important". a little funny, yes, but not important.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, fair enough.

Hey, we now know that you're a regular Vice reader. But why be so ashamed? You don't have to pretend to think it's 'stupid' every time you admit you've been learning stuff from its pages. Even stuff you care so little about. (It's not just slumming hipsters, this is a problem which affects all social classes.)

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Vice wrote about the problem from a sympathetic insider POV

Actually, the article's not from Vice. It's from NewYorkMetro.com.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

(the a.m.homes story is really good btw)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:52 (twenty-three years ago)

(i think it was actually written in the 80s)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Just got this e mail from a good New York friend:

'The "recession" has deepened in New York, and now with Bush's rout we'll
be getting even less attention from Washington. People are starting to
move away, people that I assumed would live here til the day they die.
You left at a good time.'

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, the article's not from Vice. It's from NewYorkMetro.com.

Yeah, I thought it was a little strange how they quoted their own editor as if he were an interviewee!

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 11 November 2002 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

New York is the new Beirut.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:02 (twenty-three years ago)

In Vice's defense, the article is quoting just Gavin McInnes.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 00:03 (twenty-three years ago)

did no one else hear that vice UK!!! is soon come?

― bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Er, Bob, we talked about this. At length.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 01:27 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah momus like i was gonna trawl through all that just to see if anyone had heard about vice coming out with a london edition

― bob zemko (bob), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Momus - have you seen Bamboozled?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 06:22 (twenty-three years ago)

At least in the US you can get REAL crack unlike in London where you get stuff scraped off plasterers' boots for four times the price

― dave q, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 08:06 (twenty-three years ago)

prescient.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

bizarre — invented before j.brown's corp bought it up — has actually pretty much been destroyed by j.brown, according to my buds who work on it: sort of a porny freakshow versh of the fortean times, which it shared a lot of contributors with, and VERY VERY HEAVY on research (albeit fairly bonkers research)

vice uk is i think getting the editor who left bizarre in disgust at brown's interfering (and sales-wrecking) antics

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

The Village Voice article is interesting, but I think it's a mistake to compare Vice to Answer Me! -- because Answer Me! was always better written, and Jim Goad never came up with any "post-ironic" excuses for his assholism. This made Answer Me! a difficult read rather than a mere guilty pleasure.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Agreed, Colin. The Goads are misanthropes, whereas the Vice guys are just decadents.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)

PLEASE READ THE FALL ISSUE OF "THE FADER MAGAZINE" AND PUKE.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

why is it that we have a semi-recession for maybe a year and NYC is already going to hell? I mean, they've had a 10 year recession in Japan and Tokyo looks fine to me? I know the 80s J-bubble was huge but we have got problems.

― g (graysonlane), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

The Goads are misanthropes, whereas the Vice guys are just decadents.

Actually, scratch that. There's no hard-and-fast distinction between the two.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

You're right about the Bizarre editor's row with JB, Mark - the creator and long-time editor of Bizarre is among my best friends (I've known her since she was 15!)(and I was at the cinema with her husband a couple of hours ago), and this is what she says too. He didn't exactly have a long tenure on Bizarre, though.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 14 November 2002 00:53 (twenty-three years ago)

James Brown is actually SCARED OF ME. Has been since 1990. Dweeb.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 14 November 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

James Brown is actually SCARED OF ME. Has been since 1990. Dweeb.

That's cos you know karate, and he only knows karaaayzeee!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 14 November 2002 01:59 (twenty-three years ago)

bizzare was the best mag ever.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 14 November 2002 02:24 (twenty-three years ago)

You're thinking of Oui.

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 14 November 2002 07:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Picked up UK Vice last night (hey, I had to, it was field research). A lot of it is shared content with the American one, there haven't been many attempts to make it more British. All the "pussy" and "dude" just means it isn't talking our language (and I know even in North America it's a kind of jumped-up frat boy patois), but I can't connect in a bad way or in a good way. It's not really UK Vice.
(There is a bit about taking drugs at Glastonbury, written under the name of 'Jack Steel' who says the cocktail was so perfect loosing his phone and having the theif send text messages to everyone in his address book didn't bother him. Lies! That person on Glastonbury Sunday was very dispondant, worried about message theif had sent to his dad and described it all as "sinister". Aw, Vice Boys love their parents really.)

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 14 November 2002 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

[Note to particular Googlers - I'm not stalking you, I just have a good memory okay?]

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 14 November 2002 11:23 (twenty-three years ago)

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