Console Game Poll vol. 3 - Vote for the best 5th Generation Console Games (PS1, Saturn, N64, Jaguar, GBC, etc.) here! (Ballot Deadline: November 8th)

(also the campaigning thread)

We're back with the FIFTH generation console games poll! Time to cast your ballot! Games were nominated from the Sony Playstation, Sega Saturn, Nintendo 64, Game Boy Color, and 3DO. Sorry, PC-Fx/Neo Geo Pocket/Virtual Boy, you were snubbed again.

Because why not, instead of a 20-game max ballot, I've upped it to 40!!! THIS ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN YOU NEED 40 GAMES. If you only wanna do 5 or 3 or 1 even, that's great! WE NEVER GET MANY BALLOTS FOR VIDEO GAME STUFF so anything I can do to encourage you to cast one, I will do. What do you need? Tell me!!!

I'm using a similar system to last time, you can make a weighted, unweighted or hybrid ballot...

- Weighted. You can vote for up to 40 games, in order, and they will receive 80, 78, 76... 6, 4, 2 points respectively.
- Unweighted. You can vote for up to 40 games, in any order, and they will all receive 42 points.
- Hybrid. The first games will receive weighted points (80, 78, 76...) and anything after the "weighted" section will receive the remaining points, split equally. Don't worry, the spreadsheet handles this.

The spreadsheet for ballot-making! Select File -> Make a Copy to have your very own.

Consoles are not listed on the ballot, but you can check this separate spreadsheet to see what it's listed as (comment here or in the spreadsheet if i've screwed something up and I'll fix it. Lots of those PS1/Saturn games are listed as one console when they're probably on both.)

Once you have your ballot, send it to ps2ilx at gmail (I prefer you just copy-paste the ballot text! sending google sheets is annoying and complicated) and I'll start adding them up! Deadline set for November 8th which will almost certainly end up getting pushed but if MOST of you can hit this deadline it'll make my life MUCH EASIER. There's already stuff in the ballot to show how it works, just erase that and do yours.

knowing me i've probably madea boneheaded mistake somewhere along the line so don't hesitate to lmk in the thread if the ballot doesn't work for you!

BALLOTTHELEPER!

it helps with ballots! :D

shit, some late nominations, if it's possible to add!

PS1
Colony Wars
Colony Wars: Vengeance

for a second i thought this was about the playstation five vs the xbox series whatever

late noms added!

Lots of nominations are missing. Crash Bandicoot 2, Tomba, etc

Console Game Poll vol. 3 - Nominate the best 5th Generation Console Games (1993–2005; N64, PSX, Saturn and more!)

that sounds like something i'd forget to do, i'll go thru the list again!

fixed! (i think!) (see noms thread)

also if that changes anything for the one person who already sent a ballot feel free to resubmit if you want! i haven't even booted my other google sheet yet, which is called BALLOTCOMPILER-5G in case anyone was wondering if i name my sheets consistently

i already voted! and no, no crash bandicoot for me

my ballot is normcore as hell though

how do I vote for Marvel Puzzle Quest

you have to post your ballot on an iPhone that's reverted to iOS 7 or earlier

jailbreak your mind

my ballot is normcore as hell though

― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:35 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i did think it was gutsy to put Simple 2000 vol. 126: Beige Sneaker Wearing Rogue #1 on your ballot, but now it makes sense

whatever game is a flat color and blends into the room, that's what i'm playing

now i am trying to think of what videogames are the most normcore video games. maybe i should ask t1m r0gers on his patreon thing

haha, well i probably wasn't using normcore in the proper way. but i was just thinking - very popular - titles that pretty much everyone agrees are top titles. the SMB3 of the genres.

whereas fashion normcore is probably not really popular/mainstream, so much as just wearing plain clothes?

i am 2% on the style-o-meter, i don't know what i'm talking about

xxp i just asked tim lets see waht he says

I'm stuck at 9 entries and I've already included some marginal titles/basic sequels. :\

honestly, i had a bit of an *tim rogers deep voice* _emotional experience_ while making my ballot. i went to wikipedia and sorted the PS1 and N64 releases by date of release in NA. and with the PS1, especially, it was like being teleported back to 1996. somehow i got my dad to buy me a playstation soon after it came out, when it was like fucking $500!! i remember asking him, with guilt, to buy me the $19.99 memory card on top of everything else, so i could save the game. he did it. as much as he is not cool at all, he was always ok with buying me games, i gotta give him that.

anyway, because i was 12 or 13 and i had subscriptions to gamepro and pc gamer, i was very much connected to the playstation scene and the game pipeline, from the beginning. i recognized almost all the games for first several dozen rows of releases, and rented many of them at movie gallery.

i know this experience isn't unique, but for me it whisked me straight back into that time, and all the other shitty stuff that was going on around me at the time, and what the town was like, and also being 13 and like 4'10 still, and getting driven around by your mom, all that stuff. it felt like an instant timewarp, it was almost disorienting, and almost painful.

then i realized i was only looking at the A-M list of ps1 games, and did the whole thing again with the N-Z list, reliving the history, remembering a game like Loaded, which i had completely forgotten about, but yet played a TON somehow

sorry, Loaded was a bad example to give right there, as it was in the A-M list of course. but i just mean in general it was very weird to remember a game like Loaded and imagine sitting in that damp basement with the silverfish always crawling down the walls, playing fucking Loaded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcQXqZks4g

hahahaha i had a very similar flashback when i saw loaded on the list too!!! those ADS

im pretty sure they did a thing where they bought an ad every few pages so as you went thru your gamepro you learned a new loaded character every once in a while

right! and then when you played it...it was terrible! it was really, really terrible

i don't think i did play it but i DID play that one game that was never released but somehow people had bootlegs of, the one that was too mature/violent for release?! i've been trying to remember the name of this game for days

i could probably google it but i kinda dont want to and see if i just remember at 3am on a random night

Postal?

nah it was a kinda top down... fighting game? it exists in the same part of my brain as loaded. i think it was a two word name like fatal fight or something (but not that).

ahhh i gave up and looked it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrill_Kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66MCaIa_wbo

god it looks even worse than i remember lol

i honestly don't remember that one!

it wasn't Fighting Force, by chance? because that was another "!" moment for me. maybe that and Loaded were on a similar demo disc?

i think i was mixing it up with fighting force as well!!! i was def thinknig of thrill kill though, which notably never came out and onyl appeared on pirated discs.

I thought Thrill Kill looked familiar - the studio that made it later made Wu-Tang: Shaolin Style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhggSrdcta4

Actually fuck it, have ODB drunken master

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIwQd4wVGgY

voted!

I did mine. Surprising #1.

Two write-ins: The New Tetris, and Sin And Punishment

Funny: I was in Japan in 2005 and I was balefully eyeing the extremely expensive copy of Radiant Silvergun in a game store there, and they had Sin And Punishment right next to it (same developer) and the clerk convinced me it was a great game, worth buying, I'd never heard of it, I took it home, took a hot knife to the "don't play this outside of Japan" cartridge tabs and yeah that game is amazing

My extremely basic ballot is almost entirely N64-slanted. Not to say I had no experience with contemporaneous PS1 games; I have fond memories of hanging with my best junior high bud watching him play through FFVIII (yes, 8), and trying my hand at the occasional Jet Moto or Bushido Blade match, but I never had any deep, first-hand experiences with PS1 games that weren't ported to other consoles; your Residents Evil and Tonys Hawk, etc. I often wonder if my tastes these days would be very different had we been a PS household.

Also I didn't nom or vote for any of them, but I also have fond memories of renting weird N64 also-rans like Hybrid Heaven and Body Harvest from Blockbuster video, and being somewhat confounded by them

basic. that's what i was looking for. not normcore. thank you zchyrs. you have all my initials, along with the consonants of my first name. you gotta take it from here. i'm counting on you!

I did a bunch of PS1 games at the time, and enjoyed them-- weird things like Siphon Filter and Driver were enjoyable. Going back in present-day to PS1 is less rewarding than N64, though... I still really enjoy, say, Banjo-Kazooie but have no idea where I had the patience for FF7 and Metal Gear Solid when I was young

xp KM I will do my best at whatever it is you are handing off exactly

oof thank, that's a load off. huuuuuge load. i will take a first shot at an outline of an inventory, but you are a saint!

so my experience with this gen was my first three years or so of college and one of my roomies at the time was a guy from Thailand who shipped over something like 5 or 6 hundred bootleg Playstation and Saturn discs so we played A LOT of random games. BUT! I never had an N64 so I'm completely shut out there.

can we do custom rankings, as long as we stay within:
- 1680 or less total ballot points
- 40 or less individual games
- 80 or less maximum weight for any game(s)?

like could i submit a ballot with 10 games only and give them all 80, or 5 80s and 3 50s and 2 10s or whatever? or does this make it harder for tallying?

important note, fgti had three write-ins, not two -- the other is einhander. i am noting this because einhander is awesome and i can't believe we forgot it and i might need to change my ballot now that i have remembered it!

also i will note that i replayed mgs not that long ago (i replayed 1, 2, 3, 4 and PW before 5 came out because i live like that) and it held up imo! is gamecube emulation up to snuff these days? i've wanted to try twin snakes for a while...

can we do custom rankings, as long as we stay within:
- 1680 or less total ballot points
- 40 or less individual games
- 80 or less maximum weight for any game(s)?

like could i submit a ballot with 10 games only and give them all 80, or 5 80s and 3 50s and 2 10s or whatever? or does this make it harder for tallying?

― chihuahuau, Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:39 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'd like there to only be one game at 80 because i don't wanna do split first-place votes, but i think i'd be okay with doing "tiers" after that. but if you have less than 40 games you'd have less than 1640 points, if that makes sense? sorry my brain hasnt caught up today (or for the past week lol).

my ballot is in the making and WILL make the deadline

Nice!

I've downloaded 300+ images and counting for this poll. Still haven't decided how I'm going to use them.

downsample them to low resolutions and map onto elementary polygonal characters popping out of an ethereal fog, surely

^^

you could also use them as part of a FMV that takes 45 seconds to load and 10 seconds to watch

i wish i could recall the exact moment such FMVs went from gorgeous, rare and delicious treasures to absolute annoyances. sort of a repeat of what previously happened with snippets of digitized speech in the late floppy-disk era.

i remember them still feeling special in Tomb Raider, and i'm pretty sure i knew a guy who taped all the Final Fantasy VII ones onto VHS to more easily appreciate them...

honestly, i think for me that moment was somewhere in the middle of playing FFVII, the first time around. at school my friends would be like "have you seen the freaking knights of the round summon???", and even though i hadn't seen it yet, i knew that i'd end up seeing one trillion times and would get sick of it

lol yeah that's so indulgent and ridiculous. not on my friend's tape though - that was specifically the prerendered plot-point cutscenes iirc.

oh of course, that's right. the summons weren't FMV, they were rendered. in that case, i do not remember the moment that FMVs became bad! because i was totally into those pre-rendered cutscenes, haha

God I hate cut scenes usually

MGS2 was the first time my response to a cut scene was "come on tae fuck"

i'm wondering if i ever really did burn out on them, or if i just stopped playing new games around 2001! ha. they definitely stopped feeling like special must-haves in the mid-90s though... like i had almost no urge to check out games like Wing Commander III/IV which were very much sold on their "cinematic" offerings.

but then again, Final Fantasy IX is on my ballot based on my experiences getting halfway through it circa 2011, and is there almost entirely for the cutscenes and the prerendered backdrops. the game eventually pissed me off enough that i quit, but i remember it as a really lovely, satisfying set of environments to be in.

in the ps1 final fantasy days we had a lot more patience for... everything. i have strong memories of hanging out with my friend while he ran in little circles on a tiny island in ffvii because the monsters there gave good materia xp

I did not have patience, especially cos my son was very into watching me play on the PS and made me read all the FFVII text out to him

if you're not there for the grind, you're no friend at all

Haha my flatmates had patience up to a point while I went Chocobo Racing to get that Knights of the Round...

#ivoted

And kept it real based on what I actually played (if not always finished) and what made the deepest nostalgic impressions

Which was PS1 only, although I remember seeing a Dreamcast at some kid's house once, and they were playing a fighting game that looked just mindblowingly futuristic. I've never tracked down what it was.

i remember them still feeling special in Tomb Raider, and i'm pretty sure i knew a guy who taped all the Final Fantasy VII ones onto VHS to more easily appreciate them...

I actually did this for MGS.

<3

i love that shit

IN!

Shit I was in the wrong thread when I wrote this so copy pasting it here -

If you are able to send your ballot by tomorrow go for it, if you need an extension please tell me here or at the email in the OP ASAP so we can figure it out. I am on vacation next week so I'd like to at the very least finish all of the prep if not start the rollout!

Sent my (slightly pedestrian) ballot. Hope it's in time!

totally in time! time for others to send em in too if they're out there. 18 ballots and counting is a pretty good number, can we hit 20 tho? 25?

just sent mine in! We're voting for strictly playing these games on Console, right? (i.e. no votes for Civ2 on PC?)

exactly -- if you played civ 2 on the console go for it, but computer games are just so tricky to place on the timeline fairly that it'll have to be another poll in like 2044 or something

i let the board down by not following thru on a pc poll a few years ago AND inappropriately voted in will’s last poll for games i was really endorsing other versions of. one of these sins i have redeemed today; the other you never know.

(was def tempted to vote for worms armageddon on ps1 tho; how compromised could it be)

yeah that was my dilemma on GTA

submitted, hopefully no issues getting it in!

still down to vote in that PC poll anytime, dlh!

i would, too!

lol oops

fix an oops and forget it!

the spreadsheet link is blocked by my work computer 😡

I can send a copy of the sheet to your webmail, if that still works!

but no pressure of course. but if you don't vote for marvel puzzle quest, i'm not sure it's going to make the rollout ;)

If I only want to vote for 30 games, what do I do with the empty cells and their weighted points?

All good! I just ignore the blank lines.

Anyone else? DJP?

Also, I think I've sent a response email to everyone who voted/whose ballot I put in the sheet. Does anyone not have a response?

djp: if you wanna just write your ballot out and email it i can assign the points too (or if karl already sent the spreadsheet that's cool too)

general note: good lord the #1 thru #5 or so games have switched order so many times in the past 48 hours i genuinely have no idea how its going to end even if we get only one more ballot! whoooaaaaahhhh

I was worried for a while because I didn't get an answer but just saw your e-mail so it's all good

i had to look at the mall again to make sure i didn't miss anyone, and i missed one! it wasn't yours tho, i just forgot to email you :)

person who i missed: you should have an email now too!

I am going to be off work in an hour, can I throw you a ballot then?

Once again I have not looked at ILX for a while and I would have said "of course" but you have since sent it so I will say "it has been counted!"

If anyone out there is reading this who also wants to do a last-minute ballot: I'll give you until tomorrow at noon(ish) (EST) before I for-real-for-real close the polling!

👍🏾

Will, that is an ace d/n btw!

sent a wee last minute ballot

haha thank you the timing between the "put total landscaping on the end of things" thread and the "listen to all of the kompakt total releases in order for no particular reason" decision i made last week was serendipitous

with jim's we have 24! so happy we got over 20 (still open to any others til noon btw)

ok that's a wrap then! I am gonna set it up tomorrow and tonight, hoooopefully ready to go thursday (or maybe even tomorrow!)

DieHARD GamePOLL - Console Poll, vol. 3 - 5th Generation RESULTS