Biden 2024

Getting impeached for jaywalking in April of 2023 will discourage him from making a second run.

did he say something about only being a one term president and making way for his VP after that. Not that that automatically follows of course.
Would be so good if we did get 3 terms of Dems if they can actually get more progressive. & the GOP stayed out for a while.
BUt may just be dreaming. Hoping taht this has just been teh last stand of an archaic way of thinking and thiings just improve in idyllic ways heading forwards.
BUt not likely to be automatic. Would hate to find out what the next GOP incumbency is going to be like if it isn't going to be a while before it happens. Also hoping there is some way that they don't hold onto the Senate.
Have been hearing talk about thsoe who voted Dem thsi time being less likely to if they find that nothing changes under teh Dems because their ability to act has been so heavily compromised. If their is a red backswing to whatever blue victory there is at the moment there is going to be trouble.
Couldn't McConnell just conveniently disappear somehow.

I just assume they're rather explicitly refraining from stating aloud the whole 'dude you just voted in will be a sleepy octogenarian who just wants to drink some Sanka and watch his stories by the time the next election comes around'. I mean, Biden seems spry for his age but I can't imagine he or anyone in his camp is seriously considering that he'll run for reelection. I just wonder what their plan is.

there's not going to be a 2024

No. I wish him well, but he'll have a rough four years trying to climb out of this mess, with or without those two Senate seats, and then he'll simply step aside (for Harris, presumably, who'll be challenged from the left).

thankfully not, beating trump will be enough to solidify his legacy among the chattering classes

if he ran again he'd probably get re elected (as trump would have sans COVID) but I don't think he'll run, is my best guess

No one can defeat The Rock in 2024, he’s too ripped

Heel turn halfway through first term

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biden is ON FIRE

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Happy Inauguration I made you a zaydie Bernie sitting patiently in his folding chair transparent PNG https://t.co/x6xFMBlHX5 pic.twitter.com/TvpcpFAi8v

— taber טבור (@taber) January 20, 2021

Oh what a beautiful Inaugu OH OOPS WAIT THIS IS THE WRONG THREAD MODS PLZ DELETE

you were looking for the joe biden is Q thread, pretty sure

Guess we were right!

No. I wish him well, but he'll have a rough four years trying to climb out of this mess, with or without those two Senate seats, and then he'll simply step aside (for Harris, presumably, who'll be challenged from the left).

― clemenza, Sunday, November 8, 2020 7:22 AM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Replace "challenged from" with "embraced by," and there you have it.

Good Lord

According to Klain, it turned out that Biden “didn’t know what Trump had been saying and couldn’t grasp what the back and forth was”; left preparation and fell asleep by the pool; obsessed about foreign leaders, saying “these guys say I’m doing a great job as president so I must be a great president”; “didn’t really understand what his argument was on inflation”; and “had nothing to say about a second term other than finish the job”.

As described by Klain to the reporter Chris Whipple, at one point Biden had an idea.

“If he looked perplexed when Trump talked, voters would understand that Trump was an idiot. Klain replied: ‘Sir, when you look perplexed, people just think you’re perplexed. And this is our problem in this race.”

“At his first meeting with Biden in Aspen Lodge, the president’s cabin,” Whipple writes, Klain “was startled. He’d never seen him so exhausted and out of it. Biden was unaware of what was happening in his own campaign. Halfway through the session, the president excused himself and went off to sit by the pool.

“That evening Biden met again with Klain and his team, [Biden aides] Mike Donilon, Steve Richetti, and Bruce Reed. ‘We sat around the table,’ said Klain. ‘[Biden] had answers on cards, and he was just extremely exhausted. And I was struck by how out of touch with American politics he was. He was just very, very focused on his interactions with Nato leaders.’”

Klain, Whipple writes, “wondered half-seriously if Biden thought he was president of Nato instead of the US. ‘He just became very enraptured with being the head of Nato,’ he said. That wouldn’t help him on Capitol Hill because, as Klain noted, ‘domestic political leaders don’t really care what [Emmanuel] Macron and [Olaf] Scholz think.’”

Klain, fellow aides and visitors including the film mogul Jeffrey Katzenberg tried to get Biden into shape. Two mock debates were organized, focusing on domestic policy.

“The first was scheduled to last 90 minutes but Klain called it off after 45. The president’s voice was shot and so was his grasp of the subject. All he really could talk about was his infrastructure plan and how he was rebuilding America and 16 million jobs. He had nothing to say about his agenda for a second term.”

Klain says Biden grew irritable, saying he would not make promises as he would be criticized for failing to deliver. Klain says he tried to persuade Biden to run on unfinished business, including his attempt to “subsidize state and local efforts to do childcare and bring down the cost to $20 a day. And you ought to try to fight for it again.”

“Biden seemed befuddled,” Whipple writes. “‘Well, that just seems like a big spending program,’ he said.

Klain said: “No, sir. It brings down costs for people. It’s responsive to inflation. It will bring more people into the workforce. It’s good economics. And you know this is something you’re for.”

But “Biden didn’t want to talk about it” and “25 minutes into the second mock debate, the president was done for the day. ‘I’m just too tired to continue and I’m afraid of losing my voice here and I feel bad,’ he said. ‘I just need some sleep. I’ll be fine tomorrow.’ He went off to bed.”

This is right in line with what every American who saw the debate or clips of it thought was the case. He had clearly become incapable of doing the job of president and never this would never change however hard anyone prayed, wished or hoped otherwise. It's a shame his cabinet didn't invoke the 25th amendment. That would have freed Harris to demonstrate her leadership and policy differences as a fully-empowered president.

My biggest concern about the Democratic candidates in 2020 was how old the front runners generally were. I wasn't sure how well they'd hold up in another four years and didn't count on the theoretical winner to decline a re-election campaign. And life being what it is, the one candidate who didn't hold up too well was chosen by the voters.

having to 25th him would've been a massive political disaster too. if they did it before the debate it would've come off really bad, since he actually looked pretty good during his last public appearance (the SotU). if it was after then it would become apparent that the Dems got 'caught'. he needed to be convinced to step down long before he actually did. the thing with these GOP fucks is you can't let any of their conspiracies get validated. that's the whole game, you can say a ton of insane shit and if any of it turns out to be true then it validates your entire worldview. those are the rules they get to play by.

"This is right in line with what every American who saw the debate or clips of it thought was the case"

Maybe other people thought that, but I just thought he looked kind of exhausted, like an older president might be, with all of the scheduling responsibilities placed on him.

Yes he was not up to the debate, but so fucking what? He was still capable and coherent and up to the job, as he demonstrated many many times in the following months.

And are you guys kidding me with the 25th Amendment? Do you really think either he would have been worse for us as president than Trump will be for the next four years?

(either he or Harris)

and Ronald Klain and Chris Whipple are both total bottom feeders as far as I can see

You are delusional.

We should have been able to look at Bidens presidency in a positive light, with a solid domestic agenda far better than anyone else in at least half a century

But he can't and won't be judged on that alone. For his role in creating the second Trump presidency, which he played an outsized role in personally delivering, he will go down as the second worst presidency in at least a century, worse than Trump 1.0, worse than Bush. He isn't alone and others bear responsibility too but he more than anyone does

And that will be his legacy

For all the talk of systems, it is the decisions of individual men that has led us to where the whole world is now, and where the whole world is heading. The man with the ball right now. And the man who personally gave him the ball.

anvil OTM.

I too now see the Biden Presidency as one of the worst in American history simply for being instrumental in getting Trump back in office. He represents how old, tired and out of touch his party is to a T, and how we can't go back to that, as it will simply lead us right back to where we are now.

with the last two years of Biden's Presidency, a global shift against incumbents and probably no Feel The Bern '24 primary campaign I don't think any Democrat would have beaten Trump tbh

he needed to keel over in January 2023 to secure his legacy

We'll never know but the combination of the margin not really being that big and the obvious detriment of Biden's condition with the blank stare alone...I don't know, that's enough for me to say that was gross negligence significant enough to have been the defining factor

I know there are always lots of little factors but this one is enough for me to say that whatever this new era ends up being called, it was delivered personally by Biden, and it didn't have to be

Yes he was not up to the debate, but so fucking what? He was still capable and coherent and up to the job, as he demonstrated many many times in the following months

a not insignificant part of the job of president (especially now perhaps) is performing that job in public and demonstrating leadership. and he couldn't do it when it mattered most. he has accomplishments he can be proud of, and he was up against a lot of challenges that weren't his fault, but he was unable to counter the impression that he was old and out of touch. no matter what he did behind the scenes with nato leaders, a large portion of the american people (and not just fox news watchers) did not have confidence in his leadership because they literally couldn't see him as a leader.

Yeah, thanks for that attitude, as a result the whole fucking world has to suffer Trump not just the USA. Great work guys.

I have to say that I blame the Supreme Court ruling of 1st July on getting us a second term of Dictator Dipshit.

It's a shame his cabinet didn't invoke the 25th amendment. That would have freed Harris to demonstrate her leadership and policy differences as a fully-empowered president.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 3 April 2025 bookmarkflaglink

Or this could've exposed her even more.

I'm skeptical on the idea that someone whose cognitive functions are no longer up to a debate could still be viewed as someone up to the job of running a country. You can say that his team were up to this job, but that's not really the same thing.

Blaming Biden for Trump's second term , especially going so far as to say he was a worse president than Trump was in his first term, gives me "Look what you made me do" vibes. He wasn't as bad of a president as the electorate was just plain stupid and/or malicious.

well what complicates matters is that Trump was not really up for the debate either, most of the shit he said was absolutely insane, he just said it louder in Biden. he recently levied tariffs on an island inhabited by penguins and claims he recently got the blessing of a man who's been dead for 5 years. so, once again, it's mostly the Dems just not understanding what the rules are

Blaming Biden for Trump's second term , especially going so far as to say he was a worse president than Trump was in his first term, gives me "Look what you made me do" vibes. He wasn't as bad of a president as the electorate was just plain stupid and/or malicious.

I would have some sympathy for this, but its just a lot easier to change the candidate than it is to change the electorate. He knew ahead of time who the electorate was and decided the blank stare thing would work, or he didn't know ahead of time who the electorate was. Either way this is negligence.

If I go out in the rain with a flimsy coat and then blame the rain instead of the coat I need to approach things differently

I don't think we need to decide whether Biden was better/worse than Trump. Trump is absolute rock bottom, so the fact that Biden wasn't a billion times better than him is pretty damning.

That and his enthusiasm for killing Palestinians.

I blame Biden for not dropping out and dem leadership for not pushing harder, earlier. Preventing Trump’s reelection was the most important thing. It was far more important than Biden’s ego.

He wasn’t bad on domestic policy. The idea that his term was a “disaster” is a myth. But that isn’t the issue.

xp to frogbs I've been saying this since the first debate. Biden was hardly "strong," he talked slowly and struggled to find words, but there is just no basis to claim Trump "sounded better" or "won" while maintaining even a toehold in the reality-based community

His domestic policy was good. But putting a meal on the table and then giving the house key to someone else to come in and take the meal and table and everything else undoes it

Biden seemed really old and out of it. Trump seemed like Trump: a demented and dangerous lunatic.

I don't really want to relitigate the "sanewashing" thing, Kamala rang that bell about as hard as you could ring it in their debate and it obviously had limited persuasive force. I just feel frustrated that people continued doing horse race coverage while one of the horses was foaming at the mouth and biting jockeys.

it might be impossible to responsibly cover the rantings of a truly insane person. engaging with what he says “sanewashes” it as you reach for the kernel of logic even just to counter it; not engaging with it leaves his claims unchallenged.

I think it was also clear by that point that demented and dangerous lunatic is what voters wanted from Trump, foaming at the mouth and biting jockeys was a winning strategy for him. Was slow and struggling to find words what voters wanted from Biden?

I had low expectations. I just wanted Trump to not become president again.

If that debate were taking place in another country in another language I didn't speak and you asked me who had the better performance, its Trump all day long. I don't think he came across as demented as people said, if you take away the words.

Ah, but you can't take away the words. Except people fill in the words with their own

Biden put his ego and perceived self-interest ahead of anything else. (I say perceived because I don't think it was actually in even his own interest.) He'd spent his whole career wanting to be president, and once he got it, he wasn't going to let go. He absolutely deserves blame for handicapping (if not knee-capping) the entire Democratic Party. It's impossible to know what would have happened with an open Democratic primary, but it was definitely the best chance they had, and he unilaterally ruled it out — and then proceeded to not be able to finish the race.

Of course ILX in our wisdom knew all of this back in November 2020 as this poll makes clear.

Ah, but you can't take away the words. Except people fill in the words with their own

I feel like a lot of people when asked what did someone just say don't necessarily get all that close. Trump came across like a person saying something, and whatever it was it sounded pretty urgent and it seemed like he might do something about it. Biden came across like someone that wasn't saying anything and had wandered in by mistake

Yes, that's it.

Its why "Trump said he was going to do this bad thing and the people who voted for him did so because they also wanted that bad thing" isn't really it. They often never heard him say about the bad thing, even if they were listening.

Biden enabling genocide in Gaza makes him a demented and dangerous lunatic, a total disaster.

Even on a forum or online space with the written words right there, people misunderstand them, they see something else - and thats without tone, body language, and all the other stuff that people actually resonate with and remember

Biden’s not the worst but he can burn in hell all the same.

People were unhappy with the status quo and wanted someone to shake things up. They didn't think too hard about the specifics.

i'm not going to let 40 years of republican strategy off the hook for causing the shit show we're currently living through, and i can think of a great number of people and things i'd blame for Trump 2 before Biden, but i'm not exactly sad to see him being thrown to the wolves either, i mean fuck him