WE WORK: American ilxors who do you work for?

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Lots of discussion about small business owners recently and a variety of opinions and statistics about whether they are to be subsidized or viewed as the enemy of the workers. Let's talk about work and who we work for, and the alternatives to small business ownership/being employees of one.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
I work for a large corporation (like, you can buy stock in my employer, large) 30
I work for a government agency 25
I work for a small business (1 - 50 employees) 18
I work for a public institution that is not a government agency 17
I work for a medium-sized company (more than 50 employees, but not listed on a stock exchange) 17
I am self-employed and have no employees 13
I have not had to earn money through labor for 3 years or more 5
I work for a small to medium sized non-profit organization or agency (1 - 50 employees) 3
I am self-employed and have employees who work for me 0


sarahell, Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:15 (four years ago)

I forgot "worker-owned co-op" as an option -- oops!

sarahell, Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:16 (four years ago)

good poll, following

"worker owned" should def be a writein

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:17 (four years ago)

For those of you who have multiple employment types, choose the one that pays you the most/ is most reliable source of income

sarahell, Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:17 (four years ago)

we can also use this thread to make fun of that awful We Work company if this poll doesn't get traction

sarahell, Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:18 (four years ago)

joined a medium-sized company. Now part of a large corporation.

Steve M (Banned) (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:21 (four years ago)

If our work situation changes before the poll expires in two years, do we get to vote again?

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:26 (four years ago)

If our work situation changes before the poll expires in two years, do we get to vote again?

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:26 (four years ago)

(Pardon the double post, my phone does that sometimes)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:27 (four years ago)

I'm assuming multiple owner models still count as small business, e.g. my company has ~ 20 employees and five owners (three are 51% majority, two are partial) who work their asses off right next to us.

xpost lol oh dear, polls can't be edited, sarahell did you want that closing date?

I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:28 (four years ago)

Idk do state universities count as government agencies? Because that’s what I clicked. Hopefully I can continue working at this one forever.

Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:37 (four years ago)

Large corporation

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:40 (four years ago)

not seeing the "lately there ain't been much work on account of the economy" option

Lily Dale, Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:50 (four years ago)

I'm an Adjunct Professor at the moment, for a state run network of colleges.

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:54 (four years ago)

retired and thankful every day. I'm so damned tired and sore even with not working that it's hard to imagine dragging myself up each day. this may not be heaven, but it'll do until I die.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:57 (four years ago)

non-profit with more than 50 employees

brimstead, Sunday, 7 March 2021 03:57 (four years ago)

I am a public school teacher but am currently teaching very part time because the district was barely hiring this year.

Lily Dale, Sunday, 7 March 2021 04:06 (four years ago)

medium size (main job), small business (side hustle)

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Sunday, 7 March 2021 04:07 (four years ago)

Self-employed/freelance.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 7 March 2021 04:10 (four years ago)

I’m self-employed, in business with a partner. First time I have ever worked for myself. It’s been two and a half years and we’re still going so it seems sustainable for the near future. But also could easily change in a hurry because there are only two of us and if one were incapacitated, it would make things hard.

Prior jobs have been at organizations of 10 to 60 to 1,600. I prefer smaller organizations, in general. It’s easier to do things.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 7 March 2021 04:15 (four years ago)

Oh, and mine are all private sector except for 7 years in local government.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 7 March 2021 04:16 (four years ago)

megacorp, although one that is not publicly traded

call all destroyer, Sunday, 7 March 2021 04:30 (four years ago)

i picked the medium-sized company option. i work for a privately held company that has <1000 usa employees, but the majority of the employees are in other countries.

circles, Sunday, 7 March 2021 04:48 (four years ago)

I work for the state social services agency.

JoeStork, Sunday, 7 March 2021 05:13 (four years ago)

"I work for a medium-sized company (more than 50 employees, but not listed on a stock exchange)"

I've been telecommuting since 2016, though, so the only people I ever talk to are the dozen or so people in my department. Feels like a small business almost every day.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 7 March 2021 05:52 (four years ago)

Large company (10k+ employees), but privately owned/not publicly traded

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 7 March 2021 06:15 (four years ago)

Small bidness - I haven’t regularly worked anywhere in the last 20 years with more than 5 employees.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 7 March 2021 06:57 (four years ago)

Public school right now, so I assume that's considered a govt. agency

Nhex, Sunday, 7 March 2021 06:57 (four years ago)

i'm not working right now

i never want to work

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Sunday, 7 March 2021 07:01 (four years ago)

for those of you who work for small businesses -- does the place you work pay everyone what you consider a fair wage?

sarahell, Sunday, 7 March 2021 15:14 (four years ago)

I prefer smaller organizations, in general. It’s easier to do things.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra),

I feel the same way

sarahell, Sunday, 7 March 2021 15:15 (four years ago)

my experience has been mixed with small, mid-size, and large companies. so i'd have to say it depends whether or not the company offers good benefits and if its people and work culture are cool, interesting, and/or fun.

i currently work for a very large corporation (79k employees) but they break us up into smaller business units, and i really love it. but i also really like the people i work with. despite being a global company, we'll sometimes get contractors that work with us and think we're a small company, which is kind of funny, but also cool that we operate this way. it's like the flexibility of being a small company with the perks of a large one. that's for the most part. sometimes the legality of stuff and compliances we have to meet remind me that we are a big company, but those processes are pretty streamlined albeit tedious.

i also do contract work, which is basically my own business, but that's just for fun.

Punster McPunisher, Sunday, 7 March 2021 16:51 (four years ago)

Idk do state universities count as government agencies? Because that’s what I clicked. Hopefully I can continue working at this one forever.

― Canon in Deez (silby), Saturday, March 6, 2021 7:37 PM (yesterday)

yes. you have great aptitude in filling out forms.

sarahell, Sunday, 7 March 2021 16:55 (four years ago)

i work for a large corporation lol

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 March 2021 17:02 (four years ago)

I worked for a large corporation, which paid me to leave (early retirement) and now I contract through two small companies back to two large public utilities I worked with when I was at the large corporation.

Jaq, Monday, 8 March 2021 04:34 (four years ago)

I voted small business, because each contracting company is, and I'm a 1040 employee of each, but that seems not exactly right?

Jaq, Monday, 8 March 2021 04:38 (four years ago)

Idk do state universities count as government agencies?

public institution not a government agency imo

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 8 March 2021 04:40 (four years ago)

non-profit with more than 50 employees

― brimstead, Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Same

jaymc, Monday, 8 March 2021 05:10 (four years ago)

I work for a government agency. That’s as specific as I’d like to be.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 8 March 2021 08:49 (four years ago)

medium sized

eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 8 March 2021 09:20 (four years ago)

small business

that's not my post, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 02:45 (four years ago)

very large university

joygoat, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 14:00 (four years ago)

I work for a government agency. That’s as specific as I’d like to be.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, March 8, 2021 3:49 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Heez, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 14:17 (four years ago)

Where is "I am funemployed"?

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 14:19 (four years ago)

large global corporation but you can't buy our stock....though we're going public soon.

then I believe we are going to tank and I will eventually be laid off because lol our leaders are morons.

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 14:22 (four years ago)

In year 20 of self-employed/no employees.

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 14:30 (four years ago)

xp - from the way you describe what your company does, I would guess it would be bought out by a larger company.

sarahell, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 15:24 (four years ago)

yeah technically a bigger company does 'own' us, but I think we're changing owners.

sucks because when I started, we had a different name and were our own entity. and had free lunch provided to us in our cafeteria. those were the days!

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 15:26 (four years ago)

Where is "I am funemployed"?

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:19 AM (three hours ago)

i actually kinda might have a work-related question for you lol -- can I message you on fb? (not like immediate but like soon-ish?)

sarahell, Tuesday, 9 March 2021 17:26 (four years ago)

So when does a medium-sized company become a large corporation (besides being public)?

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 17:48 (four years ago)

small and plucky subsidiary of a large

wake me up before you cuomo (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 17:51 (four years ago)

reverse triangular merger

am0n shaped post (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 19:02 (four years ago)

Of course!

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 9 March 2021 19:23 (four years ago)

one year passes...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 2 January 2023 00:01 (two years ago)

If our work situation changes before the poll expires in two years, do we get to vote again?

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, March 7, 2021 2:26 PM (one year ago)

If our work situation changes before the poll expires in two years, do we get to vote again?

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, March 7, 2021 2:26 PM (one year ago)

last chance to ask again!

more crankable (sic), Monday, 2 January 2023 00:29 (two years ago)

Dramatic job change for me in January of 2022, but small business still covers it. I feel it pays an equitable wage across all levels - I've got a posting up for an entry level operator that starts at $29/hr (ty IBEW!) and top exec pay is 2x that.

Jaq, Monday, 2 January 2023 00:31 (two years ago)

I work for a government agency. That’s as specific as I’d like to be.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, March 8, 2021 8:49 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Oooooooh scary! Shut up, asshole.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 2 January 2023 09:08 (two years ago)

I really hope people found time to respond to this poll.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 2 January 2023 12:12 (two years ago)

I work for a large corporation (like, you can buy stock in my employer, large)

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Monday, 2 January 2023 13:28 (two years ago)

was a medium-size company when i started, now a medium-size subsidiary of a large corporation

ciderpress, Monday, 2 January 2023 14:35 (two years ago)

I work for a large corporation (like, you can buy stock in my employer, large)

18 year anniversary last year. started as a private company, went public shortly after I joined, merged with a competitor in an ill-fated decision, and then got spun off as its own company and went public again. our stock sucks lol.

company was jaw-dropping amazing place to work between 2005-2006 (cheap, excellent benefits, for a time free food, beverages, ice cream, better pay raises and less hoops to clear the thresholds to get them).

dropped down to 'pretty good' place to work from 2007 - 2009, after the merger became a mediocre place to work, hasn't really recovered even post-spinoff.

most people here will probably not believe it given my posts in 'stupid annoying co-worker' thread, but though I think my company is fairly poor and run by lint-licking journeymen, I'm fairly content here. my secret is to find good departments that operate much better than the rest of the company. yes, there was a two month period last year where I was ready to walk due to understaffing, but they responded by doubling our staff to the highest levels in the dept's history, which has solved that problem. also - my mood was much harder to control given the issues with my dad's health last year. some of my posts in that thread are exaggerated to clown on people.

people often tell me to leave, thinking I could make more elsewhere, but important context = my salary right now does not match what I do. I earned a lot of pay increases over 18 years (about tripling my salary), but when you switch roles, they freeze your pay, so you don't lose money. I went down a few pay grades but kept my cushy salary. to get what I'm getting now, I'd have to go back to project managing/60 hour weeks and I can't do that anymore.

our stock is pretty poor though lol, I think it went live in 2021, but it's struggled since it posted to the exchange.

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 January 2023 17:32 (two years ago)

I forgot I started this poll lol

sarahell, Monday, 2 January 2023 17:33 (two years ago)

(also, part of me wants to stay because it's one thing I'm most proud of - managing an unusual 18 year career in a niche field that I'd never even heard of prior to applying, when prior to that, it really looked like I was going to be the black sheep of the family, flunking out of school, refusing to show any responsibility.)

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 January 2023 17:33 (two years ago)

xpost lol i have those moments.

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 January 2023 17:34 (two years ago)

i don't understand the distinction between public institution and government agency

the late great, Monday, 2 January 2023 18:10 (two years ago)

there is a lot of overlap. it's kind of like squares and rectangles. a government agency is a public institution; a public institution is not necessarily a government agency. for example, a public university is a public institution, but not a government agency.

Karl Malone, Monday, 2 January 2023 18:24 (two years ago)

schools or museums vs the tax office or national park admin

more crankable (sic), Monday, 2 January 2023 18:25 (two years ago)

xp

more crankable (sic), Monday, 2 January 2023 18:25 (two years ago)

idgi. what’s the difference?

the late great, Monday, 2 January 2023 18:27 (two years ago)

last chance to ask again!

Forgot all about this, but apparently I took my own advice and waited to answer. As it turns out my answer today is the same as it would have been then.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 January 2023 18:27 (two years ago)

is this just like “stuff we think is cool” vs “stuff we think is uncool”? each campus of the university of california has it’s own police force. like, real police, not security guards. our current chief was chief of lapd before this job. so “university is not a public agency but police is” doesn’t make sense to me

the late great, Monday, 2 January 2023 18:29 (two years ago)

its* :(((

the late great, Monday, 2 January 2023 18:30 (two years ago)

My answer actually needs a caveat. I voted self-employed and no employees, but I am actually half of a two-person equal partnership LLC. More or less the same thing, but it isn’t just me running it.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 January 2023 18:34 (two years ago)

on another note, i think many people would identify large museums (like, say, the met) as public institutions. but those are actually mostly private corporations with ostensibly not-for-profit missions

the late great, Monday, 2 January 2023 18:37 (two years ago)

if you work at a library, click whichever of "public institution" or "government agency" you feel better represents your personal vibes

xp there are private schools too, I was aiming only for concision

more crankable (sic), Monday, 2 January 2023 18:39 (two years ago)

private libraries too

so don't click "public institution" if you work at Prager University

more crankable (sic), Monday, 2 January 2023 18:41 (two years ago)

"vibes" is a fair answer. fwiw i picked "public institution" and not "government agency", and i definitely use the phrase "public institution" when talking about my job in conversation (generally to explain why schools shouldn't be run like tech startups)

couldn't really tell you why though

the late great, Monday, 2 January 2023 18:44 (two years ago)

again, I work for a nonprofit with more than 50 employees, no poll option.

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Monday, 2 January 2023 19:17 (two years ago)

and i definitely use the phrase "public institution" when talking about my job in conversation (generally to explain why schools shouldn't be run like tech startups)

couldn't really tell you why though

― the late great, Monday, January 2, 2023 10:44 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah -- I was thinking of public schools/education with that poll option.

sarahell, Monday, 2 January 2023 21:01 (two years ago)

again, I work for a nonprofit with more than 50 employees, no poll option.

― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Monday, January 2, 2023 11:17 AM (one hour ago)

oops! I am sorry for making a flawed poll. Go with "public institution" -- as in, nonprofits are "public charities" -- and 50+ employees is kinda institution-like? As in you probably have a HR department as opposed to ... a person that does HR stuff along with other stuff.

sarahell, Monday, 2 January 2023 21:04 (two years ago)

In March 2021 I voted self employed, no employees; today it would be small business. Fortunately due to server restarts over 21 months I can make both votes count.

DPRK in Cincinnati (WmC), Monday, 2 January 2023 21:19 (two years ago)

I can't remember if I actually voted, but I work for a fairly large corporation that's not public (ie you cannot buy stock).

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 2 January 2023 21:34 (two years ago)

I keep envisioning this thread with each of us handcuffed to a desk and sarahell slamming her hands on the table and yelling "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?"

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 January 2023 21:38 (two years ago)

where is the option for "I have two jobs and neither is categorized as side hustle" (one brings me professional satisfaction and the assurance that I am not wasting my life and the other pays the bills while I am not working at Job 1) ?

i wonder if i will ever work for one business/company/entity again? we'll see. would be nice to have benefits of the useful kind (PTO, insurance, etc)

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 2 January 2023 21:49 (two years ago)

An insurance and benefits poll would be pretty interesting too. Can't remember if ILX has ever done one.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 January 2023 22:05 (two years ago)

lord. I think I pay like three times what I paid 18 years ago for insurance for me, but now it comes with like a 2500 dollar deductible and only covers 75%, whereas when I started it was a $100 deductible plan that covered 100%.

can only imagine what the families pay.

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 January 2023 22:11 (two years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 00:01 (two years ago)

damn! a lot of people voted in this!

sarahell, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 06:39 (two years ago)


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