Is depression affecting my writing? If so, should I stop? (do not read if you're fed up with my whingeing)

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Well we all know that the answers to both questions as regards ILx are "yes" and "yes." But I think it is starting to affect my other writing.

Sterling said something on the "Disappointed" thread on ILM about my current moods having "coloured" last week's CoM posts and wondered whether they might have affected my judgements on the Missy and TLC records. I read through them to see whether he had a point, and must admit that, although I haven't as yet changed my mind about either record, the writing is pretty bleak.

Now I am certainly not short of things to write about but I do not think it helpful to do so in a tired and depressed state (though oddly enough this isn't really an issue in my "paid" writing - the 100-300 word limit (not to mention the deadline) means that there is no room for this sort of meandering and you are forced to get to the point of whether a record is any good or not). So should I carry on with the Church of Me or give it a rest?

I would like honest answers and will abide by your collective wisdom.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 18 November 2002 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you should think abt whether you actually enjoy doing it - writing the stuff & uploading it to yr site that is. If you enjoy it, continue, if it's a chore, then give it a rest for a while. Sorry that's banal, but that's what I think anyway. I've usually found yr writings interesting FWIW.

N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 18 November 2002 12:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, if it's a contrivance, then maybe stop, but if you simply feel what you feel and can articulate it (however much 'feel' = lack of enthusiasm for Missy) then great. It sometimes astounds me that somebody could write so much stuff so consistently while under dark skies.

However bleak or exclamation-mark-laden the writing, it's been fascinating to read the takes on albums I listen to from somebody of a completely different place and background (ie: not hiphop/electronic-bred barely-out-of-teens Asian American student). I mean, yeah I guess most writers wouldn't be of that group, but the fact that you can take so much stuff (namely pop, last week it was like 'hear new record, see what CoM says, repeat') on your blog on a more comprehensive or personal basis always puts some strange "other"-type angle that is refreshing and often insightful.

Honda (Honda), Monday, 18 November 2002 12:19 (twenty-three years ago)

isnt that what a writer is suppose to do? take in their world and produce it in words. 'sides i say you should take in fiction writing in your church of me. the reviews are thinly disguised and autobiographical, anyways.

doom-e, Monday, 18 November 2002 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

if it helps, marcello, at least you can write when you are depressed, i can't. so, either you get blocked or meander. take some time off doing reviews and try to conquer another area of writing - i.e. fiction or essay style work. you will have a different concise challenge.


and can I say a big mighty hello to Norman!

Type me sometimes....I miss yer prog-rock devil in capes wisdom.

doom-e, Monday, 18 November 2002 12:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Hello Doom-E. I'm at work now, I'll mail u tonight

N0RM4N PH4Y, Monday, 18 November 2002 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that didn't take long

ron (ron), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

marcello, i think there are several things banging into each other here, moving in different directions:

i. firstly as a championship prevaricator w.prizes for rationalising non-finishment of projects, i am very hesitant indeed to assent to the usefulness of looking for reasons to suspend activity — basically i utterly envy yr workrate and excellence of output, and know howeasy it is to slip into thinking "oh i can't write today i don't feel like it", and before you know it a month has gone past)
ii. second, it seems to me that writing by marcello in the moils of such-and-such an emotion is still writing by marcello: in other words, i haven't seen any drop-off in the quality, so i wd not at all worry on that score... it isn't as if you or we are left unware of the surrounding circumstances, and i think this awareness, on yr part and ours, gives Church of Me tremendous force and clarity, even when i disagree with specific judgments or assumptions (cf what Honda said)
iii. third i suppose i wonder a bit abt the wisdom of keeping up such a relentless pace (though see i. for opposite view): i wd look to vary this somewhat, to avoid going stale, but i am basically also lazy and pathologically easily distracted, and that may be why
iv. fourth, if writing from the heart of a specific state of mind, a state of mind that you dislike and wish to escape, is by contrast trapping you in that state of mind, then yes, you should maybe give it a rest for a while... but this may not mean giving writing itself a rest, just the particular take or tactic that is the problem (cf what doom-e said)
v. it's conceivable i guess that focussing so unremittingly on each specific piece, day in, day out, is not letting you step back and look bit more strategically at where you're heading (in terms of Body of Work blah blah)... but you know the reality of that, and frankly it's not always helpful to discuss overall strategy publicly anyway, bcz it's so tied in to intuition, and yr own knowledge of projects to come and their meaning and gravitational pull

mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking as a reader I'd say it was potentially affecting your judgements but not your writing. Since judgements aren't the important thing anyway (well not to me), that's not a problem. i.e. I can't hear much if any of what you hear in the Bedingfield record but I enjoyed the piece anyhow.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a mixture of extreme fatigue - a direct side-effect of the lithium, which I have now stopped for that reason, as well as the fact that it wasn't otherwise doing me any good - and the usual psychological unrest which arises when this particular time of year approaches. I think work is still the best remedy (apart from getting back out into the world and connecting with people); sometimes my battery just runs down a bit more quickly, that's all.

After all that, I've done two posts today, so the will to do it hasn't gone; just the physical capacity.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 18 November 2002 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

You should always write, Marcello. You are a natural writer; most of us aren't.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 18 November 2002 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Whether or not your contributions are of value to the publication fall within the judgement of the editor, so you needn't trouble yourself on that account. Just ask.

As for how your depression affects your writing, as you are a writer of criticism I'd say it is enough if you provide the reader with clear criteria on which your judgment is based, so they can see what you are about. Sort of like those math exams where you are admonished to 'show your work'. The reader can sort it out from there.

My advice is to write, so long as you are satisfied you are putting in a good effort. Let everyone else mind their own garden.

Aimless, Monday, 18 November 2002 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

well - i was going to say that it's the lithium Marcello but I did not want to errr...mention it.

Lithium negates living - makes your mind clear yet placid/flacid; you, of course, were going to notice the changes to your writing.

Me? I can't get out of the starting gate sometimes with this rock'n'roll writing - I suggested six albums to review for one magazine, the editor picked me up on all six, and now, three albums are untouchable (two because they are originally indie releases that major labels are slobbering over and one because the release date was 'up in the air' and all that i had was a damn cdr). FRUSTRATING! I can pick the next hottest indie newest groove thang but I can't review it!

I love the three that I am left with though.....anyways enough about ME.

As I said before, combination of lithium and writing, I dunno. Unless the lithium is taken recreational?? But you will get through it - boast the ego up to olympic proportions again and write flawlessly.

I'm out of here!


doom-e, Monday, 18 November 2002 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

robin says it all really.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 18 November 2002 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

however, i disagree with one thing - that writing as compulsion or therapy should never be for public consumption - i.e. diary writing, unless, it is cleverly masqued as a) a great story b) great fiction writing or c) post-modern psyched up/fucked up music reviews.

otherwise, you are writing for yourself in therapy writing and forgetting that writing to a degree is performance. you are there to entertain. if you are only entertaining yourself than the writing in that regard is wurtzel worthless.

do you see what i mean?

doom-e, Monday, 18 November 2002 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

however, i disagree with one thing - that writing as compulsion or therapy should never be for public consumption - i.e. diary writing, unless, it is cleverly masqued as a) a great story b) great fiction writing or c) post-modern psyched up/fucked up music reviews.

i fucked that sentence up - it should have said - i disagree with writing as therapy or compulsive writing. *that* should never be for...public consumption.

doom-e, Monday, 18 November 2002 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

the sentence still does not make sense! *rolls eyes at myself and my typing speed*

doom-e, Monday, 18 November 2002 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I think your burgeoning music journalist career is a very important thing for you, Marcello (and something to feel hugely proud of, particularly in your horrible circumstances), but Church Of Me is only tangentially vital to that. You have to take the best care of yourself that you can, and if that means cutting down on the writing, CoM is the place to trim. That's if that would help - in my worst depressions, anything that distracted me was beneficial, and certain kinds of discipline (haha no) were essential. You're a terrific writer, and your stuff is always going to be worth reading, but that's not a matter of life and death - taking the right care of yourself may be.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant yr. depression was affecting yr. judgement, not yr. writing per se. Like Tom I still find it worth reading.

Also I mean you can't like EVERY nu-pop release or you would go mad, so there's some burnout there too I think.

I don't know about you personally -- but if I have something I NEED to say then that's why I write, so I wouldn't worry too much about audience, etc. especially on CoM. Also I never really trust yr. judgement anyway, even on things we both really like or dislike.

Like I think that "Virgin Sexy" and "Angels With Dirty Faces" are the two best songs on the Sugababes album. Also, the more I know somebody the harder it is for me to seperate their aesthetic ethos from their personal considerations, and I feel like I've gotten to know a great deal about you from your writing precisely because it IS so open and honest.

I just really wish you'd stop using the word "punctum" no matter how great it is. Partly because I think you've turned the word into something it is not -- a flash of transcendence, rather than a moment which casts the rest of the work into a new light. Not that I object to repurposing words, but because yr. whole way of looking for and requiring these flashes of transcendence are why our judgements clash frequently. I think of punctum as a way of approach, rather than a thing in itself. And in some ways the task of a critic, from my standpoint, is to find these ways of approach to best aid in appreciation of the work as a whole, which means subliminating them into the body of the analysis rather than calling them out. But that's just me.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking as a reader I'd say it was potentially affecting your judgements but not your writing. Since judgements aren't the important thing anyway (well not to me), that's not a problem.

My thoughts exactly. I don't always agree with your reviews but I always find something interesting to think about in them, which is not something I can say with a lot of reviews.

Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 18 November 2002 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)


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