Call out ILXors you don't enjoy to their face right here then, come on, let's have it

There's a crackly tension in the air today, maybe we need a lightning rod or at least keep it one place so everybody can enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA

everybody unreflectingly doomposting or repeating dumbass NATO perspectives on the Ukraine thread is a teeny weeny flaccid nob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUrs_9waPBk

People using the Wolves thread to complain about how the "big six" moneyball brand they "support" didn't win their game with enough panache this week - get in the bin!!

FUCK YEAH

People who post too much. Frankly, it's unbearable!

Lurkers - it’s always the quiet ones you have to watch.

https://i.imgur.com/ar23aLR.jpg

Your usernames are useless to me! Get this, I don’t even look at them, I just read the posts! Yeah take that. I don’t look at usernames and decide whether I care to read it, I actually have NO OPINION about who is posting, I judge the information. Bet that stings!

I dunno I have this weird habit of thinking other people exist

thank you for locking the other thread

I dunno I have this weird habit of thinking other people exist

I don't have this problem

Every time there's an ILX beef I look in like "why are my Sims fighting"

Most of you people suck. (The people I don't think suck already know it, because we interact elsewhere.) Neanderthal rules. And if ILXors are willing to talk shit about a guy as good and righteous as him, I can only imagine what's been said about someone like me, so here's a pre-emptive Fuck You All, And Your Mothers Too.

thisilxordoesnotexist.com

the only ilxor i don't like is gabbneb.
and i don't even remember why at this point.

The only person on the politics thread guilty of being the centrist poll-centered squish we use as a strawman.

I like everyone on this board!

Closed online social environments like secret Slacks and what-have-you, I've seen them turn into "the discussion of others" too often. I'm allergic to it! I don't think it's a positive thing.

If you discuss somebody who is not-present in a closed environment for any extended period of time, applying [manipulative] or [needy] or [evil] or whatever modifiers to every aspect of the target's public missives, it makes monsters out normal people

My point was was same as fgti’s also i suspect many posts get unread if the poster is not a “notable ilxor” which if true is a frustrating arbitrary obstacle when one just wants to contribute to a conversation. Who is who and one’s “posting style” or whatever is a strange obsession around here.

I'm not sure about that - one of the small nice touches about ILX is the name being under the post decreases the context a little, you get the words before you know who people are (I mean, some posters have recognisable styles for good or ill)

Well despite that I do think people look at who is posting before they decide to read the post.

Huh... I never thought of that. I post i the subject of the conversation is interesting or I feel like I have something useful to say, rather than who the people are. But then again I'm a relatively infrequent poster these days.

xp ... most ILX posts don't take that long to read?

i like wearing a blindfold when i'm chatting in the pub, that way i can just focus on the words

"...and that's why I spill 2/3 of every pint"

xp

https://i.imgur.com/mxA4HjF.gif

Well despite that I do think people look at who is posting before they decide to read the post.

Hmmmmm, I don't.

I don't understand the focus on who posted too much/long/often. It's not as though you have to chisel the text of every post you read into a granite slab, just scroll on.
And if you don't like the content of someone else's post, a nasty response to it is only going to bring it further attention.

Ricky, you silly fuck. I hate you baby let's be married.

I'm always reminded that the options for responding to an unwanted/offensive/inappropriate/etc post are alternatives to habitual physical reactions that don't map onto online-ness. If there's someone shouting in your group and talking over everyone, you have your standard responses, walking away or turning away from them or shushing them or whatever, and that's a natural social corrective if the person is paying attention or cares. This is a basic thing about relational networks and group norms and having a group culture.

I never quite know what to do on here, in that situation, because there's no way to telegraph anything without posting explicitly. So if you don't want to write a whole thing with an argument and 7 supporting paragraphs and a conclusion and a full bibliography, the result is to just scroll on, silently, and then the poor behavior has no feedback process.

This sounds insane but I actually don't know what happened, will someone webmail me?

I ain't got beef with nobody on the board, but for this being afaict one of the least toxic places on the internet, there's been an unfortunate uptick of late in folks making shit personal. It's always disappointing when smart people who are clearly capable of reasoned disagreement opt for needless invective.

Or if we're friends elsewhere on the internet, DM.

Ftr, while there are a few people on here whom I cannot stand, most of you I rather like even when we disagree. I do think that ILX has made me into a better and more reflective person, even if that doesn't always show.

The genius of the ILX text only interface is that I can read it without giving a fuck who any of you are.

Lots of people otm itt. fgti, ian, in orbit and Old Lunch, to name four.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucTg6rZJCu4

I have a secret webTV chat about Ilx. I am the only member.

i have an ipod in my mind

Lol, Boring, Maryland.

Ftr, while there are a few people on here whom I cannot stand, most of you I rather like even when we disagree. I do think that ILX has made me into a better and more reflective person, even if that doesn't always show.

― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Sunday, 13 March 2022 15:24 (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol hard agree

Ha, I also got yr webmail plax, yes I think I figured it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZOvEqfvNRY

I've been here 20 years without getting involved with any of the major board beefs other than the one that ended with Branwell's banning. I've done some obnoxious things, but you still seem to like me.

I've noticed that when people are called out for being dicks on politics threads, there's often a tendency to assign a political identity to that dickish behavior, which I think undermines the calling-out. If I were acting like a dick (easily imagined tbf), and someone's response was to call me a tankie or a NATO apologist or a middle-class cunt or a mere American who posts too much, it would be much easier for me to brush off their criticisms than if they just told me off for being condescending or whatever.

I can personally deal with a community where people are cringey, wishy-washy, naive, awkward, pedantic (up to a point), or ignorant. I can't deal with a community where people are outright nasty to each other. Though I understand that everyone has different definitions / thresholds for these things.

Nowadays if someone is rude or mean to another poster, or if they're making repeated condescending remarks, or hopping in to exacerbate a beef in which they needn't involve themselves — and I know I've been plenty guilty of all these things in the past — I just flag the post regardless of whether I "agree" or generally like the poster.

That's the kind of equanimity I aspire to. (I'm being serious, btw)

I can personally deal with a community where people are cringey, wishy-washy, naive, awkward, pedantic (up to a point), or ignorant. I can't deal with a community where people are outright nasty to each other. Though I understand that everyone has different definitions / thresholds for these things.

Yes! I like this

Crüt otm.

Response to JiC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiUiKjH2IWE

crut u otm

xp to crüt: I think this is a good post, and I agree with some of it. However, people have different standards of what they think constitutes as bad posting in this sense: to me someone callous about racism or sexism or something that matters is much worse than someone telling me to fuck off. The latter is just words, the former is tolerance of stuff that makes ilx a less pleasant place to be. If that doesn’t bother other people, fine, but there is and always has been on some parts of the site a tendency to allow people to say what they like, as long as they say it politely or couched in enough deniability.

In orbit also very much otm.

Did you type this line on your smartphone or your laptop?

― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, July 2, 2022 12:01 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh my god fuck off

It's 50% bullshit. Payback for 100% on your side.

God damn. You are one cold person.

― tangenttangent, Saturday, 2 July 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Pathetic.

Idk fellas, i started off angry at xyzzzz__ and LJ both. We’ve got people who don’t know xyzzzz__ outside of his admittedly obnoxious interactions in various political threads, and now it’s cool to post about, let me get this straight and finally give the context most of you are missing because you don’t know xyzzzz__ irl like most ukpol posters (including imago) do.

See, UK politics is a fucking horrible place atm and has been for years. The government is racist and is currently deporting refugees to Rwanda. The opposition is using racism to win voters from white angry old men at the expense of the minorities who do vote for them. Xyzzzz__ is not white; he is affected by these policies and the mainstreaming of such racism. It is not and never has been an intellectual exercise for him; he lives it every day.

To have people in here either insinuating or outright saying he’s the privileged one is a pack of lies, frankly, and I’m sorry to say all this but sic’s disgusting electrical shocks post really sealed it for me. Really great work all around.

Like!!! Think about it for one second here. Why would a person of colour be so angry and hurt at someone treating very real issues as a game and a debate? Fucking hell.

By the way, both tt and imago have met xyzzzz__. They know all this already.

Sarahell - thanks for seeing where I'm coming from. I appreciate it. Also I now know of another xyz posting in other msg boards now.

Also thanks to gyac, Tom D and Calzino for at least backing up what I'm talking about wrt some of LJ's behaviour many xps..

conversely I find it easier than ever to be detached from UK politics for many of the reasons gyac lists

look we’ve all got our own coping methods ob, some of us read 10 Marian Keyes novels in a row for example.

lol I actually read 3 over the last month after you (rightly) corrected my ill informed opinion that she doesn't write memorable male characters

I just like the women more

Bump the Marian Keyes thread and talk about it with me!

"I'm only here for the craic"

it's easier to detach when every last vestige of hope that you naively built up during '15-'19 has been completely eliminated, but still it is a festering wound.

For me, it was '08 to, oh, about '09.

And yes, actually, I would like to know why xyzzzz__ being told to die is acceptable, it seems out of bounds.

definitely! I like LJ quite a bit, but that was a fucked up thing for him to say. emil.y apologized for the post in which she wished death on LJ in 2007. I forget who it was who wished death on Morbz when it was known he was battling cancer (Woody Allen thread, I think, Morbz' post was awful, but the reaction was excessive), but I believe they later apologized.

sic's contribution to the UKpol thread a few years back (parroting the same anti-Corbyn lies as right-wing media were doing at the time) was just about as infuriating as LJ's worst posts on there.

It is not and never has been an intellectual exercise for him; he lives it every day.

and because of that, it takes a significant amount of strength to engage with it on ilx. Like, this is a voluntary community. For a lot of us, it's a respite from bullshit that we're forced to deal with. I know that there have been threads over the years where the general tenor of conversation was "intellectual exercise" but for me, personally, it was real. And I was told "I was too close to the topic; chill" essentially ... and eventually I just decided that the best course of action for me, was to just avoid those threads (mostly, I am not perfectly self-disciplined), rather than be the "one band member that doesn't play along" in a context where everyone else is intellectually exercising.

But I definitely don't want to imply that that is how everyone should handle this type of conflict in regards to every thread.

disgusting electrical shocks post

I don't know if you took it as meaning something different, but this was intended as a light joke about aversion therapy, postulating a scenario that is entirely fanciful and literally impossible. I like both posters, and also strongly wish that they would not derail completely unrelated conversations by bursting into extremely unproductive fights on other threads.

Detachment can be a defense against fatalism and despair. I am deeply worried about my children's future in this nation and this world, and am constantly fighting against an overwhelming tide of helplessness.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux)

_disgusting electrical shocks post_

I don't know if you took it as meaning something different, but this was intended as a light joke about aversion therapy, postulating a scenario that is entirely fanciful and literally impossible. I like both posters, and also strongly wish that they would not derail completely unrelated conversations by bursting into _extremely unproductive_ fights on other threads.

I forget who it was who wished death on Morbz when it was known he was battling cancer (Woody Allen thread, I think, Morbz' post was awful, but the reaction was excessive), but I believe they later apologized.

― sarahell, Saturday, 2 July 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Amateurist iirc

He was given a week off, I think..

wld be fairly surprised if there aren't multiple instances of Morbs urging death upon other posters tbf

a few years back

hey calz! I don't remember what I said specifically but iirc a non-UK person asked a "as an outsider, wtd w/ Corbyn?" q, I made a from-and-targeted-to-an-outsider offhand summary of the kind of slagging he was getting, and then stfu when it turned out that some UK posters were awake and that what I'd said came off as a glib intrusion into a discussion space with a distinct character. Litigating my intent would not have clarified the matter for the questioner, and would have just shit up the thread for the people who actively populate it.

(Sorry if it means you still get furious when you see me post about anything else though! Seriously.)


((and to gyac for the glibness of saying "therapy" - my experience is with electric fences on farms, I had no pathology in mind at all.))

I don't really gaf about it now tbh sic, but I do have a laser precision memory for when people post garbage!

there's elephants that let grudges go quicker than you calz :D

tangentially reminds me maybe it's time for the "WALL-E OF ILX" poll

xp

I refuse to believe that, you bastard!

lol we'll revisit this in 10 years

my experience is with electric fences on farms, I had no pathology in mind at all.

well, that's great that you didn't have it in mind when you posted it ... but .... as a highly knowledgeable person, I would be _shocked_ to discover you weren't aware of the pathologies that electric shocks have historically been used to "treat"

*considering you are a highly knowledgeable person

can't we just merge their two accounts so they have time share a log-in?

― o shit the sheriff (NickB)

the last time i had to share a login with someone who didn't like me very much the united states secret service came to visit

let's not do that

it was more okay to throw out these ideas (shared login, etc) when it was whiney and deej, two white dudes beefing over hemiolas than in this case ... like it is legit making me feel a bit icky

See, UK politics is a fucking horrible place atm and has been for years. The government is racist and is currently deporting refugees to Rwanda. The opposition is using racism to win voters from white angry old men at the expense of the minorities who do vote for them. Xyzzzz__ is not white; he is affected by these policies and the mainstreaming of such racism. It is not and never has been an intellectual exercise for him; he lives it every day.

― Osama bin Chinese (gyac)

i think this is a really good point. i think navigating things as text on a screen is difficult for me in a way it didn't used to be. when i started out on the internet, i was way more comfortable communicating through text than i was in person - i liked the way text stripped personal identity, stripped cultural context, from what i said. in retrospect of course i did, the people who benefit from these things are people who have "default" identities - cis, het, white, male.

honestly i do really struggle to keep track of who the individual posters here are, coming from the us, coming from a position where i haven't actually met any of the other posters here. even though the pool of regular posters has shrunk down a lot more over the past few years, it's still hard to get my head around, and i do genuinely prefer to look at people in the context of who they _are_. i think that's a benefit of this board, that people here know each other, even though obviously it has its down sides.

so seriously, xyzzzz, my apologies. i haven't actually seen you say anything that you weren't within your rights to say (as opposed to lj), and this thread has helped me to reconsider my pre-existing biases. and thank you to gyac and other posters here for helping me to question my biases.

Gyacomole

KM I am happy to see you engaging with your past behavior. You don't owe me an apology IMO, but there are others who are owed one besides gyac (as you seem to realize, again to your credit).

btw I apologize to you sleeve for saying something similarly vile to you last year. I wish I had a good excuse for it but really I don't.

in the months since the Slackgate I've definitely learned to just take a breath and let the moment pass before posting.

calstars, do you remember that it was you that started the "onethread" slack channel?

not saying anything, i am just saying it was a weird surprise when we looked up where the channel started.

Neando we're good, no worries, thank u tho

calstars, do you remember that it was you that started the "onethread" slack channel?

Gyacomole

so seriously, xyzzzz, my apologies. i haven't actually seen you say anything that you weren't within your rights to say (as opposed to lj), and this thread has helped me to reconsider my pre-existing biases. and thank you to gyac and other posters here for helping me to question my biases.

― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 July 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Thanks for this Kate, and for acknowledging where I'm coming from.

xp I don’t remember but I stand by it. I suggest you get over it because I’m not going to apologise for it, and by the way you’ve been making these outbursts for more than a year now?

Not sure what your problem with me is or why you dissed me on slack, I never you existed until you attacked me

― calstars, Sunday, 21 March 2021 23:49 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hey gyac go fuck yourself

― calstars, Saturday, 12 March 2022 22:50 (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

You mean besides the time you replied on slack right? Fuck you

― calstars, Saturday, 12 March 2022 23:12 (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just fuck off

― calstars, Saturday, 12 March 2022 23:30 (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

I am shushing her
On slack she assured me that no one gives a fuck what i post

― calstars, Saturday, 12 March 2022 23:42 (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

You came out of nowhere and told me that no one gives a shit what I post

― calstars, Saturday, 12 March 2022 23:47 (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

I clearly don’t want to engage with you, I actively avoid your posts, leave me alone please.

Calstars, multiple people thought it was weird and annoying (I thought you were a bot) because your only participation on the slack was randomly dragging in your "I am an adult at a bar, dropping my bon mots for you" into the slack. You would not even talk to anyone. Not sure why you are only focusing on gyac here.

calstars nobody gives a shit what you post

I used too many words. Yes.

so seriously, xyzzzz, my apologies. i haven't actually seen you say anything that you weren't within your rights to say (as opposed to lj),

I assume Kate has only seen what I said to LJ in a couple of threads.

No one can anything they want to anyone else.

Also I am not hurt (he has told me to die a few times and I didn't say anything to a mod) but I wanted to point out how people weren't picking up on it. And that this was happening in a moderated board, in a thread with posters who were making noises around stamping out toxic behaviours.

I assume Kate has only seen what I said to LJ in a couple of threads.

No one can anything they want to anyone else.

― xyzzzz__

yeah this is where i was going with that. gyac, xyzzzz, i think what you're both saying is right. to clarify my apology, its basis i said some things to or about xyzzzz in this thread that, on consideration, i think weren't warranted, and that's why i wanted to apologize. much love to you both!