US Politics: October 2022 "...they've already started the killings!"

Thanks MTG for the title...

"Democrats want Republicans dead, and they've already started the killings" -- Marjorie Taylor Greene pic.twitter.com/aYJA5t5jwN

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 1, 2022

Good evening!

"It was a time of the Demorats
In the year after twenty-one
Now the lesson is over
And the killin's begun"

He’s running

It's a wrap. @GavinNewsom has acted on all 1,166 bills that landed on his desk this year. He signed 997 of them (85.5%) and vetoed 169 (14.5%), compared with about 8% he vetoed last year.

— Scott Shafer (@scottshafer) October 1, 2022

The term for this sort of rhetoric is “accusation in a mirror,” and scholars of genocide identify it as a major warning sign when political leaders start talking like this. https://t.co/t9aNNoIBQ9

— Seth Cotlar (@SethCotlar) October 2, 2022

These great folks know exactly what @gretchenwhitmer has done to all of us. Thanks to the Gratiot County GOP for this video! pic.twitter.com/GbgvnftPfY

— Tudor Dixon (@TudorDixon) October 3, 2022

lol at "Graham died alone."

https://preview.redd.it/nkioluyvsdm21.jpg?auto=webp&s=ea7388fd77e3225f4c706be1a4b1cdd6c98e175d

A+ Janis Joplin impression on "Just look around, maaaaannn..."

The fact that millions of dollars will be poured into TV buys in Michigan (for a commercial that apparently cost $1.98 to create) is both bleakly funny and barf inducing.

Tudor Dixon another Pseudo-Pynchon political name.

Trump-backed Michigan gubernatorial candidate Tudor Dixon another one for the 'Politicos With Pynchon-esque Names' list.

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, August 2, 2022 5:30 PM (two months ago)

:D

Goodnight Folks!

lol

i've done it too, several times over. i remembered the first time you said it because i definitely agree that it is pynchonian

running mate Mason Dynasty

That ad has to be parody.

compare that ad to this one

Louisiana ranks 50th in crime, 48th in education, and 46th in health care. I’m running for Congress to stop this race to the bottom because our children deserve better. pic.twitter.com/OfFQHuPTzU

— Katie Darling for Louisiana (@katie4louisiana) October 3, 2022

Katie Darling sounds like a Steely Dan song.

Or Lou Reed/Louvin Brothers collabo.

She's running against Steve Scalise. I don't think she's got much of a chance.

EXCLUSIVE: Herschel Walker, an anti-abortion absolutist, paid for an abortion in 2009. We have the receipts. Literally. Me @thedailybeast https://t.co/IzOEEg4quN

— Roger Sollenberger (@SollenbergerRC) October 3, 2022

This will be hand-waved away by Georgia Republicans.

Roy Moore didn't abort the teens he hit on!

This will be hand-waved away by Georgia Republicans.

Most for sure, but there is a hard core that it could affect around the edges. Especially for any racist who was already chafing at voting for a Black guy. Serious abortion people are serious. They're a tiny part of the "pro-life" group, but they're real.

Hey, first they were mad at him for having kids out of wedlock. Now they’re mad at him for not having kids out of wedlock.

They'll just say he's changed.

The killings have already begun...

NEW from @kylietcheung: Dr. Oz's research experiments at Columbia killed 329 dogs and inflicted extensive suffering on them, violating the Animal Welfare Act multiple times, for which Columbia quietly paid a fine. https://t.co/WzQfPzlTuI

— Laura Bassett (@LEBassett) October 3, 2022

xxp people most opposed to abortion are serious and real, but they will gloss over any news about Walker and his history and vote Republican.

oz is toast. americans hate one another, but we love our dogs.

I don't think Herschel Walker is gonna be able to handwave this away.

I tuned out for an hour is the herschel walker story going any better for him pic.twitter.com/lUf0uzM0xp

— kilgore trout, death to putiner (@KT_So_It_Goes) October 4, 2022

Flop, meet sweat:

I'd largely thought Walker could pull this off despite his baggage. I'll see what sort of response he mounts, but given text messages tonight, Georgia GOP'ers are praying for Dr. Oz to win. Walker hasn't mounted a good response to any attack, and this is brutal, probably a KO.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) October 4, 2022

why am i only seeing headlines about the abortion? this is obviously more serious and horrific.

He's the one guy who can say "I do not recall" and I'll actually believe him.

— Jamie Lawson (@shelbymustang) October 4, 2022

Love erickson's backpedaling since:

I thought we all knew this. Also, old news and people do change over time. https://t.co/HhPgtRYJP0

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) October 3, 2022

And fwiw Christian Walker appears to be a pretty hard-right anti-woke DeSantis supporter.

this tweet raises a lot of questions answered by the tweet

I LOVE my son no matter what

— Herschel Walker (@HerschelWalker) October 4, 2022

Never thought i could hate someone more, but that article on Oz just made me… shake with anger

I just love the idea that Trump wants to prove in court he's not an insurrectionist, racist, Russian-lackey or that he shares some traits w/Hitler. (It will never get that far. Because he would be obliterated. Unless current CNN owners want to throw him a bone and "settle." Ugh.) https://t.co/aSzCDCaPEN

— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) October 3, 2022

Yeah that suit to me feels mostly like he's working the new owners ahead of the '24 election. There's a strategy to it that doesn't have much to do with winning in court.

I saw a great Fetterman ad ripping Oz a new one on fb today.

luv 2 clear up any confusion about whether i love my son on the eve of an election

There's a strategy to it that doesn't have much to do with winning in court.

Well, yeah. He pretty much never wins anything in court but he knows that MAGAnauts love 2 see him punching back at THE MEDIA (whatever that means). The details are not important but the pugnaciousness very much is.

Walker's son is on a tear:

I’ve stayed silent for nearly two years as my whole life has been lied about publicly. I did ONE campaign event, then said I didn’t want involvement.

Don’t you dare test my authenticity. Here is the full story: pic.twitter.com/ekVEcz8zq3

— Christian Walker (@ChristianWalk1r) October 4, 2022

I’ve spoken to nearly all of the people who have attacked me and told them quietly that I didn’t want to be involved.

Now they’re blaming me for everything I’m not responsible for. It’s disgusting. pic.twitter.com/rhMRNHMDaC

— Christian Walker (@ChristianWalk1r) October 4, 2022

Did a Google dive on Christian and ... wish I hadn't

poor christian, couldn’t have happened to a better guy :’(

Not watching a Christian Walker video for less than $500.

herschel walker and his son playing out family drama on twitter is just an unbelievably sad state of affairs. there are no winners here other than me and the other people enjoying it immensely.

— world famous art thief (@CalmSporting) October 4, 2022

It's a damn shame.

they honestly need to throw a hail mary and get Coach Tuberville in there. walker has zero positive qualifications other than playing football. let's get the campaign back to football. the 2-minute warning has come and gone, and walker is in the red zone. he's down by 3. but walker can't go for a "field goal" here -- you know he's playing to win. let's get Coach on the field, let's see what he has in the playbook, and let's see if walker can execute on the fundamentals here at the end of the football game election

Getting an Auburn man to stump for a Georgia man is not necessarily the best call here.

"You go to war with the Army you have -- not the Army you might wish you have"

- Offensive Coordinator Donald Rumsfeld

I’m thinking he’s going to call an audible (threaten to kill another family member)

I thought I heard on the radio this morning that the intruder took the hammer from Pelosi.

Also heard there are multiple felony charges (or will be), so he may spend a long time in prison.

There's no end to this shit.

Is declining into fascism globally en masse a centennial thing now

genuinely scary

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/28/nancy-pelosi-husband-assaulted-00063965

Chief Scott said in a late-afternoon news conference that when the officers arrived, they saw Mr. Pelosi and the suspect, each with a hand on a hammer. They ordered both men to drop the hammer, he said, and the suspect pulled it away and struck Mr. Pelosi “at least once.”

Cops must hate Pelosi too

"we won't be able to resolve this dispute until the two of you find common ground!"

This is like a game theory problem: You are struggling against a crazy person over a hammer. A policeman orders you to release the hammer. You know that if you comply the madman may not and use the hammer against you. If you don’t comply, the policeman may shoot you. What do you do?

How does the saying go, "if you don't want to get nailed, everyone has a hammer?"

Hammers about to become popular in the Trump rally crowds.

Gotta say, I think a lot of folks would benefit from watching some of “This Is Revolution” on Youtube(also podcast). It’s a funny black Anglo-Canadian-American gen-X Marxist show that offers clarity that you’re not going to get from the more limited broadcast outlets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THISISREVOL

there's more background info on this guy here than pretty much anywhere else:
https://www.berkeleyscanner.com/2022/10/28/assaults/david-depape/

He was married to (or at least, living with and has kids with) Gypsy Taub who is a bay area nutcase nudist who is now in prison for attempting to kidnap and molest a teenage boy a few years ago in Berkeley; I'd been trying to find out what the result of her case was since she was mentioned in relation to this, but no news stories brought that up.

Ultimately this is guy is a loon, with loons as associates; sounds like he had some major drug problems, so whether he is 'mentally ill' or not may play into however this case proceeds. I'm of the mind that most people who get snookered by online conspiracy shit are, to some degree, mentally ill; how responsible they should be for their actions as a result of this is a question worth considering.

If it was a left-winger who attacked a right-wing figure, you can bet the right wing will not be saying "oh well sounds like the guy is troubled".

agreed; for instance, they're def. ok with treating the guy who threatened to kill Kavanaugh as mentally competent (as is the court).

Last night, I attended a candidate forum where a Missouri Republican™️ argued that ending abortion was justified because forced birth = more people to fill low-wage jobs.

That's who we're up against in this election. That's who believes they should have a say in your pregnancy.

— Trish Gunby (@TrishForMO) October 27, 2022

Quite a few of the signs on the Prop 2 in KY which would completely ban abortions state something like this...

VOTE PRO LIFE
YES ON 2
PROTECT TAXPAYER DOLLARS

That is some cynical bullsxxx there. F' women, who is going to think 'bout the poor taxpayer dollars.

Also children are enormous consumers of taxpayer dollars.

Meanwhile, this Texas court case with the True the Vote people has turned wacky. They're being held in contempt of court and they're gonna go to jail if they don't provide the name of their alleged source. Of course it can easily be spun by the believers as, "They're being silenced because they know too much."

https://texas.votebeat.org/2022/10/29/23430243/true-vote-konnech-lawsuit-gregg-phillips-engelbrecht-contempt

They probably will go after child labor laws next. Get those cretins earning a living and quit being bloodsuckers on the tax payers.

And from the Pennsylvania campaign trail (I guess this is why Mastriano mostly avoids the media).

Doug Mastriano asked by an Israeli reporter (@nathanguttman of @kann_news) to respond to antisemitic attack on Josh Shapiro and association with Gab.

His wife Rebbie steps in and says: “I'm gonna say we probably love Israel more than a lot of Jews do.” #PAGov pic.twitter.com/Pczpz2IYgJ

— Jacob Kornbluh (@jacobkornbluh) October 30, 2022

how can he be anti-semitic, his wife is a rebbe

A man of few words, 14 to be exact

GOP Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate @DougMastriano appears to go full "14 words" with this latest ad campaign. pic.twitter.com/04kivDHupM

— The Sparrow Project (@sparrowmedia) October 25, 2022

how can he be anti-semitic, his wife is a rebbe

Ha, this is a good one:

I gave $ to my son: legal. Asked him to support my campaign: legal. My wife and I gave our own $: legal. All within legal limits. All so they'd let me debate. My wife's biz is sole proprietorship, not Corp, meaning, it's our $, not a corp. Meanwhile Balint gets $1.7MM from lobby.

— Liam Madden Vermont Congressional Candidate (@LiamAwakening) October 29, 2022

GOP dope gives money to his toddler then has his toddler "donate" to his campaign to inflate his numbers to qualify for the debate.

lol: According to Madden’s website, his son June Madden was born in 2019. His occupation is listed as “student” on Madden’s FEC filings.

sure, sure

wait a damn minute… https://t.co/0B4qdEn3XC

— Tyler Dinucci!! (@TylerDinucci) October 31, 2022

man

SFPD interview with Paul Pelosi's alleged assailant:

"DEPAPE articulated he
viewed Nancy as the 'leader of the pack' of lies told by the Democratic Party."

He allegedly wanted to break "her kneecaps" and wheel her into Congress to send a message.

Doc: https://t.co/nAd2aJM8hp pic.twitter.com/QlfDiubJbc

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) October 31, 2022

Lord

seems politically motivated

imagine you go to kill the speaker of the house with a hammer to impress the q-anon community and they just say you’re a gay guy

— dylan (@spiritnght2) October 31, 2022

come on, don't exaggerate. he just said he wanted to break her kneecaps and wheel her into Congress.

all the Trumpies + Lee Fang/Intercept are going wild about some DHS leaks pointing to collusion between the gov & social media -- zero traction elsewhere as of yet, but they're very "bigger than Watergate" atm. of course, they do that with everything but is there anything here?

this guy makes quite the case for Herschel https://t.co/Snlt0RDBiI pic.twitter.com/KIP0Yo0dJ0

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 31, 2022

"Voting for them is like choosing between broccoli and cauliflower." for November thread title.

xp

I haven't gone too deep into it, but I think it's generally bullshit and ignores the fact that, while not strictly technical, social engineering and IT infrastructure security fall into the category of cybersecurity concerns and always have.
I think there's the possibility of overreach but identifying the coordinated swarms of content-posting bots or humans, or alerting companies that their IT security are things that are deemed national cybersecurity threats.

that their IT security has been or could be compromised, I mean

I know there were efforts specifically targeted to help hospitals firm up security but yet this happened this month
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/06/an-unprecedented-hospital-system-hack-disrupts-health-care-services/

As far as the social media angle goes, it’s tricky. You can think, hey, I’m a free speech absolutist and people can read things online and judge whether or not sources of information are reliable or credible. But a lot of coordinated misinformation campaigns are far from organic and are made to look organic when masses of people uncritically repost the information

I think the closest analogy would be if someone back in the day had waited for a newspaper machine to be stocked, and then surreptitiously replaced the papers with lookalikes that had malicious information. That’d probably be criminal for several reasons, but online tampering is trickier

I haven't read all of the Intercept piece — it's long — but it seems interesting and potentially concerning but not shocking or anything. Of course government agencies have been talking with the big platforms about fighting disinformation and/or foreign propaganda, we already knew that. And there's good reason to be concerned about both domestic and foreign-government misinformation, just as there's good reason to be concerned about our own government policing it.

But this paragraph relatively high up in the article is I think what everyone's latching onto: "How disinformation is defined by the government has not been clearly articulated, and the inherently subjective nature of what constitutes disinformation provides a broad opening for DHS officials to make politically motivated determinations about what constitutes dangerous speech."

Which is arguably too broad a statement because I don't think defining disinformation is "inherently subjective," there are going to be murky cases but there are plenty of nakedly obvious ones. And then the article doesn't really back any of that up (at least that I've read so far) in terms of showing any specific examples of that. It's more saying that that could happen once you get government agencies involved.

For now, I'm less worried about whatever DHS does to fight disinformation than what Florida and Texas are trying to do in more or less exerting direct government control over social media platforms. That seems like way more of a direct threat to me.

I don’t think he’ll mention this here but we collectively know a guy

It’s like attending an entmoot. https://t.co/JhYnjv79o4

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 1, 2022

the Intercept story is a follow on by the earlier announcement that the Biden admin was setting up that Department of Disinformation or whatever; it is a long story, and I only got about 50% of the way through it, but in general it wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know, and it was presented as a more factual documentation of the reasons for this move (that the admin backed off on) and how that would work than alarmist. Obv disinfo/propaganda are problems, no one seems to have a good idea of how to combat it though.

"a follow on by" that was incoherent, no idea why I wrote that. the story follows up on the announcement by the administration, etc.

That was my take on it too, and they've done the records dive to flesh it out, which is somewhat interesting. But it's being linked/promoed on the right as some kind of gotcha piece about the Biden admin's plans for mind control, which it 100 percent is not.

I went back and finished it. It's a very good piece of reporting. It's no gotcha anything. It raises questions that everyone should think about. There isn't an easy answer to these problems, if there was, there wouldn't be a problem.

But it's being linked/promoed on the right as some kind of gotcha piece about the Biden admin's plans for mind control, which it 100 percent is not.

and the majority of people who it is being pitched to that way will not read it and will simply come away thinking it is the gotcha piece, I bet.

Precisely. And the "easy answer" is to vote Republican, obviously.

“Wow, it’s — weird things going on in that household in the last couple of weeks. Probably, you and I are better off not talking about it. The glass it seems was broken from the inside to the out so it wasn’t a break in, it was a break out. I don’t know, you hear the same things I do,” Trump said.'

At least 4 potential November thread titles in this statement

We're already overdue for a new November thread.

U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”