Don't Be Fooled by the Rocks That I Got/(I'm Still) I'm Still Ally From The Block

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I was watching the news this morning and once again I see people railing on Jennifer Lopez for singing that she remembers where she came from yet no longer living there anymore and shooting her videos in L.A. So I get to thinking, right: isn't this the reason why people strive to succeed? To leave bad situations? Am I a sell out for leaving my ghetto and not sending money back to da neighborhood?

The answer is of course no: in the normal course of life if someone comes from a horrible neighborhood and poor background and becomes wealthy and buys a huge house or something and lives the good life, they are a success to be admired by and large. You help your friends and family and live your life. I have a good job and buy lots of things and can party all the time and ergo I have respect.

A famous person does the same thing and they are fucking sell outs. What does it mean? If you become famous you should stick around in the neighborhood for the propers? They don't exactly use their fundage to bring up the neighborhood (see: Big Pun, I mean it's nice he gave to family and friends but the hood was still a hole). So what's the point? I'm rambling because I haven't quite figured out why this bothered me so much.

Why can't she still be Jenny from the block if she's living in L.A.?

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

because she probably has 24 carat gold wallpaper like all the people from the hood do now.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

exactly!

i guess you have to look at the people who're doing the criticizing, where do they live? (theres a bit of a 'common people' crossover going on in a way). a curious distate at working class people with aspirations, or who might not want to live in poor neighbourhoods, but usually barbs tossed by the middle classes

when i didnt have a home this summer, and ended up staying in this house in kentish town for 2 months, i was in this house with 4 students, it was proper squalid, totally dirty. they were all upper middle class posh accented kids slumming it, knowing they can end their little cultural tourism *at any time*. for them, 'crossing the line' was exciting (live like the 'common people'), its people like that who get strange ideals of 'real' (because thats what they were searching for...anyone going the other way is 'turning their back on it' to them)

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm. Yeah, that's true too. That helps explain the glamourization of the ghetto within the past several years (10? 15? Who knows?). Why is it important for Jennifer LOpez to "remember where she's from" - and by that meaning purely the Bronx, not necessarily her family or friends - as if it's as important as who she is? It's just something that gets flashed around, being from a bad neighborhood, as like a badge of honor which is weird because I don't see how being from the slums makes you any more real than someone from Beverly Hills; isn't it all in a person's personality and how they handle their upbringing? I know just as many fuckwads from the Bronx as I do from Upper East Side.

One time I was in Conway and was busted out by some girl who decided I didn't belong there. I mean, it's a store - yes a cheap store - how the hell can someone not belong there? And it's not like I particularly have money anyway.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd imagine this criticism is a result of JLo continually insisting that she's real and that she hasn't changed and that the money & fame don't mean jack (cf. "I'm Real," "Love Don't Cost a Thing," the new single). Hearing someone continually claim something is true (even if it is true) would undoubtedly make curious folk think that there's something false behind the assertions. I wouldn't be surprised if jealousy plays a part in all of this hatoration, too. (Like, duh, Dave.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean i watch MTV cribs and see the people from the hood and to me it seems that they buy things purely based on the fact that they cost a lot of money. i mean do they really need gold plated walls in the bathroom? Some of the crap these people have is ridiculous and it seems the hood rats always have the tackiest homes going. maybe its just me.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

How come you can't be real and personally unchanged and not phased by your money and still live in a nice house? Should I move back to the street with a meth lab on it and the halfway house and the helicopters scoping for escaped convicts every fucking night, because I am no longer real?

Shouldn't improving your financial situation change you in some way anyway?

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean do they really need gold plated walls in the bathroom?

Well, duh, yes.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean do they really need gold plated walls in the bathroom?

i know I do!

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

That settles it. Gareth and I will be moving in together. It's meant to be.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

then you also need to get a Bentley and a strippers pole.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

what if one were to compare and contrast the reaction of these fans with the fans of 'live through this'-era courtney love who were turned off when she went versace?

but i think that's different; was jennifer lopez' street persona integral to her initial mediasplash? wasn't her first big break the starring role in 'selena'?

nb: isn't it something of an axiom that, in today's popcultural space, declarations of 'authenticity' are inversely proportional to the actual quantaties of such? what if this isn't just a backlash against the character of jennifer lopez, but about the idea of hypermanaged images of realness and connection with fans being eclipsed by the between-the-lines messages of that celebrity's appearances when not proclaiming such -- i mean, people have been reading all about the white lily stips in her dressing room in one scandal sheet or another, that dress was from versace, she got a big rock from ben, etc. i could see how this could ferment discontent among people, particularly those who have been trying to get 'off the block' for years now to little success.

and now that i mention the affleckrock—isn't this whole 'jenny from the block' thing perfectly timed to her string of starring roles with/engagement to one of the frattiest white boys out there?

maura (maura), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Interesting. There was a great series of articles in the local newspaper about a man wrongly convicted of rape. He spent like seven years in prison for a crime he didn't commit. While he was incarcerated he took every educational course offered to him. Eventually he was released and came back to live in his neighborhood. Some of his family and friends were complaining that he wasn't keeping it real enough because of the education he got.

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Jennifer Lopez's street persona didn't really seem to come into it until she took up music, in my opinion...though on the other hand I don't see why Courtney doing what she did made her unreal and detestable either.

What exactly is keeping it real? By definition, wouldn't being a more successful person etc and then continuing the follow a lifestyle not suited to what you think you should be doing with your new position in life be the exact opposite of keeping it real?

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it Ben Affleck in the video or not?

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, and he kisses her ass.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Literally? Ew.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you think the DareDevil film will be any good?

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

It has Jennifer Garner ==> even if it makes my colon shoot out of my anus it will be GREBT.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I blame a misreading of Marx for all of this.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

(The day my colon shoots out of my anus, I, too, will blame it on a misreading of Marx.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Most of the houses I see on MTV cribs look the same to me and they all have boring beige carpet. SO STUPID! If I had tons of money I would buy much cooler shit & a crib that was too cool for MTV.

I don't think J-Lo is a sell-out. If she is, then all big money rappers from da hood are. But I don't think she's so much Jenny from the block either. I think she's just trying to keep it real. I think it's very important for these rappers to shout out to the hood because they are tieing themselves to poor black culture and saying - you can rise up and be successful like me.

Courtney Love... hmmm... Is there such a thing as rich, classy punk rockers? Magazines would suggest so. Cloie Sivigny (sp?) types think so. Anyway, I think Courtney Love is totally bitchy and even if she were still Courtney from da block she'd still annoy me.

Thanks for listenin'.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think it's wise to tie race to the argument, which is why I'm avoiding it. I mean, Shania Twain gets bashed on for being too posh by some people...

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

sebastian bachs house was annoying.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

sebastian bach is annoying.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish I could see Andrew WK's house. I bet it's filthy.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i bet he has 24 carat camel dung wallpaper.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Eeew.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

im sure his place is cluttered with dirty tighty whities and dirty dishes.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I bet ya it's not! He probably plays golf with Alice Cooper at the weekends.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I just hate the song cos I find it boring, I mean it's wonderful for her I'm sure but jesus it's boring for me, please leave your insecurities about what the public think of you away from the recording studio, it's so BORING, you horrible celebrity you.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, see, Ronan, this is what I don't get: there are plenty of reasons to hate Jennifer Lopez. She's boring and not particularly talented. Why pick on the fact that she don't live in the Bronx?

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Who bashes Shania Twain for selling out? Was she punk once? ghetto? ha ha Is anyone in Nashville keeping it real?

Let's ask J-Lo about being Jenny on da block...

“I have a very American way of thinking, but I also feel very Puerto Rican. I’m both: I’m Nuyorican,” she says. “That’s the name of my production company, so that probably sums it up. People ask me all the time how do I stay connected, and I always tell them ‘How could I not?’ It’s who I am, and it manifests itself in everything I do. It’s something you can’t leave behind. I’m Jennifer López, and I am a Puerto Rican from the Bronx.”
Hispanic Magazine June 2002

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

wouldn't being a more successful person etc and then continuing the follow a lifestyle not suited to what you think you should be doing with your new position in life be the exact opposite of keeping it real?

but doesn't this, then, serve as justification for any argument in favor of people getting irked at the 'on the block' persona?

(also i think people are bashing shania twain for her ramones t-shirt wearing on the back of some single)

maura (maura), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha
I didn't know about that (about Shania), but I don't exactly follow her...

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Agreed, it annoys me cos I think it's a certain side of J-Lo anyway, this kind of posturing.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:47 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I know about the Ramones' T-Shirt, I"m not talking about that. I have to look around for the article I read - let me get back to that one.

I don't see how the "I'm still the person I used to be" persona is not equal to the "I'm in a better financial position" persona. Not living in the ghetto anymore isn't equal to suddenly not being as real as you used to be.

Anyone who's ever regarded me this way, in retrospect, has been people who are just trying to get a free ride off me. And I"m not even 1/1000000000 as rich as J-Lo...

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I also feel very Puerto Rican. I’m both: I’m Nuyorican,” she says. “That’s the name of my production company, so that probably sums it up.

This says it all, doesn't it? PR identity = $$$, for J.Lo. Just like how Christina Aguilera suddenly became really Hispanic and ghetto one morning.

Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, J.Lo's all known for her ass and shit, but I see better PR asses on the NY streets everyday!

Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, I'm half Mexican and ain't no one giving me any fucking money for it, I'm getting ripped off.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:02 (twenty-three years ago)

"Andrew WK's house is a minimalist masterpiece. Along with cutting-edge works of contemporary design, the house boasts a number of classic works from the Modernist period. Deriding sofas as 'the ugly manifestation of the complacent bourgeosie', Andrew's salon is filled with orginal Barcelona chairs. Andres, however, does not limit himself to designs from and inspored by the legendary Bauhaus school. After watching Vertov's 'Man With the Movie Camera', Andrew became infatuated with Russian Constructivism, and currently owns the largest private collection of rugs from that era in the world. A new inspiration came on a recent tour stop in Washington, DC, where Andrew spent time in the new Arte Povera exhibit there. Inspired by the use of neon in many of the works he saw, he and his designer have been working to integrate this new love with Andrew's old decor. When asked to sum up his aesthetic, Andrew said 'Life on the road is chaotic, uncivilized. When I return from my travels, I need to be in an atmosphere that is both calm and spiritually invigorating.' We couldn;t agree more."

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:05 (twenty-three years ago)

but ally, come on, being in a better financial position and having celebrity does change a person, whether they want it or not. money brings new responsibilities, fame brings the ability to get into better clubs and the need for bodyguards, etc. when your entire lifestyle changes, you change. it's totally natural and understandable.

i mean, i do think that some of this backlash can be attributable to jealousy, but i also think that trying to say 'i'm still from the block' is trying to have it both ways -- having the cash and the ability to use it (including the ability to protect yourself from those who are currently living on the block), while trying to get cash from people who are either attracted to the 'on the block' persona or trying to truly relate to it.

and i still think that as a pr move, the timing of this single and her linkup with ben affleck is way too coincidental.

maura (maura), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

No, it hasn't changed her. I hear when she was in Da Bronx her friends would drop rose petals in front of her and spray perfume around her and buy new furniture when she entered a room and other things her appearance riders ask for.

Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Right?

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/lopezrider/lopezrider1.html

Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

i mean, i do think that some of this backlash can be attributable to jealousy, but i also think that trying to say 'i'm still from the block' is trying to have it both ways -- having the cash and the ability to use it (including the ability to protect yourself from those who are currently living on the block), while trying to get cash from people who are either attracted to the 'on the block' persona or trying to truly relate to it.

But I still don't see how these are two mutually exclusive things. I said earlier that having a better financial position or additional power in life should change a person, but I don't see how it makes them a sell-out or someone who can no longer be a streetwise persona or still have the persona of someone who came from "the block" so to speak.

The point about Ben Affleck makes sense but doesn't make sense at the same time - I mean, none of my friends even seem to notice his existance, and it's not like Puffy has this huge street cred either. He had some hardcore friends and the gun thing "helped" him but when it comes down to it my understanding is he's from a good financial background (in contrast I am under the impression Affleck isn't tho that could just be what he and evil child Damon want us to believe??). So yeah, he's a white guy - but so what?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I guess I"m just getting more irritated towards the J-Lo haters.

And I can't stand the girl! Arrgh, why do I have to feel sympathy for the evil.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Yancey, my friends do that for me. That's what we do in the ghetto. Duh.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

You should all sell-out now and move to L.A. I'll throw a welcoming party.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

hahaha ally, i don't like her much myself, and spending so much energy discussing her is starting to grate on me, too. heh.

maura (maura), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I know! Now I'm all pissed off at myself instead of at the people I was pissed off at. Can we discuss my ass instead? Where's Hanley when you need him.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"Don't be fooled by the rugs that I got/(I'm still) I'm still Andrew from the block- now PARTY TILL YOU PUUUUUKE!!!"

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

she likes matchbox 20 AND green velvet? wowzer

Barnaby (Barnaby), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

We don't seem to give most rappers much trouble over this. Perhaps we have too sharp a sense of self-preservation to, for example, claim the Wu-Tang Clan have sold out because they no longer live wherever it was they lived before they'd made two dozen albums, but still talk the same talk. I have no objections to J-Lo taking this line at all. I also don't care whether she's still Jenny etc. or a nouveau riche (sp?) prima donna. It seems a bit misguided, in that her prima donnaish traits have been too well publicised for this "still an ordinary person" stuff to fly, but that's a tactical judgement rather than a moral one.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps we have too sharp a sense of self-preservation to, for example, claim the Wu-Tang Clan have sold out because they no longer live wherever it was they lived before they'd made two dozen albums, but still talk the same talk.

Someone hasn't seen the Redman episode of "Cribs"!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

My friend Andy gets truly upset about stars who don't keep it real. When I've pressed him on this, he has articulated a more or less economic argument: it is the star's ghetto ex-neighbors who went to the shows and bought the records. Therefore, the argument goes, the right thing for the star to do would be to put some of that money back into the community by buying a solid gold crib in the hood and hiring local petal-scattering talent. There is a list of stars who have done this and of whom Andy approves, but their names don't come to mind at the moment.

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan was redman the one that had the tiny, messy little place on staten island?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Yup. It was the most classic episode of Cribs EVER.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Also as obvious as it is to slate her for ripping two winning hooks from the Luniz and the Beatnuts it needs to be said that that is very fucking lame of her.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)

His doorbell was just two wires hanging out of the doorframe, and he was pushing them together, going "it works! i'm serious!"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

His friend was crashed out asleep on the floor or something wasn't he?

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

you are right, Dan. That WAS the best episode ever. His place was a mess. And his friend or relative was sleeping on the floor during the tour.
So many rap stars have such boring houses. They all look the the McMansions that are usually owned by lobbyists for [insert name of horrid right-wing cause here].
Have they shown Timaland's place yet? I wonder if his musical aesthetic is matched by his taste in decor.

'ugly manifestation of the complacent bourgeosie'
my genius continues to go unrecognized ;-)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 21 November 2002 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)


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