2022's Oscar Nominees

The Fabelmans is my favorite movie in this lineup, but it sure feels like we're not going to get many more TÁRs in our moviegoing/Oscargoing lives.

Avatar's the only one I haven't watched.

xp I've been somewhat heartened that people care about Tar at all, and that there's been so much discussion about it. The tweets and memes that talk about the character like she's Gritty or something are annoying, but by and large I've been surprised by the number of people who get what it's doing and are able to hang with it.

Only saw four, Tár easily.

I've seen five and don't LOVE any of them, but Tár is the most interesting one so I voted for that. (Of the ones I haven't seen, I'm most interested in Fabelmans and Women Talking.)

Also these:

2022's Best Actress Oscar Nominees
2022's Best Supporting Actress Oscar Nominees

1. Tar
2. Fabelmans
3. Triangle of Sadness
4. Women Talking
5. Banshees of Inisherin
6. Everything Everywhere
7. Elvis

Did not see: Top Gun, Avatar, All Quiet

Women Talking might actually be my least favorite after TOS.

aftersun should’ve been nominated (and won)

i’m seeing tár this afternoon and i have no idea when i'm seeing triangle of sadness but my favorite of the remainder is avatar

Tar for me (haven't seen western front, avatar, or women talking)

Wow, I look forward to your responses, Brad.

Women Talking might actually be my least favorite after TOS

It's Banshees and All Quiet as my least favorites, by some distance.

See? I keep wishing All Quiet out of existence. You're right.

i will never see all quiet, i bet it's ok, but war movies that aren't come and see or patlabor 2 are fucking weak

The world could use a few more "weak" war movies imo, but All Quiet is more of a "nothing" war movie

I can't say I'm perplexed by the hatred directed toward Women Talking, but I found myself readily available to give it the benefit of the doubt

only seen three, prob gonna watch banshees and fabelmans this weekend so i’ll save my vote.

the three i’ve seen (ava, tar, eeaao). i liked/loved them all tbh

I don't at all hate WT, it's just my least favorite Polley film.

loved women talking but i think a lot of its pleasures will be diminished when people are watching it on a streaming device; i was not annoyed at all with the color grading and was honestly kinda spellbound by it in the theater. the shot of the fists in the sky when they're learning to navigate by the stars... one of the more breathtaking images of the year imo

also loved the misé-en-scene of it, how it mostly took place in a single location but would occasionally suddenly and violently break out of it, as if the context for the conversation they were having were leaking through traumatic fissures in the film

It would've been Judith Ivey, not Claire Foy or Jessie Buckley, who would've been on my supporting actress ballot this year

I've *only* seen Women Talking (meh). Well, and 50 mins of Everything Everywhere... which was enough for me to know that it was Not For Me. Will see The Fabelmans and maybe Tar once they hit my streaming services.

If Hollywood ends up surviving the IP age, the Avatar and Top Gun BP noms will be regarded as Airport/Towering Inferno-grade howlers.

scathing critique of two movies you did not watch

I saw the originals. That was enough.

This Top Gun is better and funnier than Hollywood's Burning.

avatar 2 is basically an anti-fandom film. any attempt to dig into the lore or figure out the characters deeper than trope level makes the experience worse. it's a movie, not a "cinematic universe"

i think this is good, to be clear

The Towering Inferno > Top Gun

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Fabelmans > Women Talking > Tàr > EEAAO > Banshees > Top Gun > Avatar > Elvis > Triangle

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

LOL after all that not even one vote for MAVERICK?

oops, I used the wrong accent on Tár, none more acute

i think a lot of its pleasures will be diminished when people are watching it on a streaming device

We just watched it for the first time at home and we both found it riveting. It's kind of a quiet masterclass in framing and filming what is in essence mostly just a long discussion in a barn, because never did I find it particularly claustrophobic. Emotionally maybe, but not visually. Of the movies nominated, I liked it better than (for sure) Banshees and Everything Everywhere and Top Gun, maybe a bit more than Fabelmans (which has a lot of built-in stuff working in its favor). Haven't seen Tar yet, but that's likely the only one left that I will ever see.

been thinking about tár for two full days now

watched again with new friends, there are so many moments, images, scenes etc to discuss

it will not win anything at tonight's Academy Awards

nor will The Fabelmans sadly

Women Talking might win the Adapted Screenplay award. The Fabelmans and Tár will go home empty-handed

Some people should die: https://ew.com/awards/oscars/2023-oscars-secret-ballot-academy-awards-voters-share-juicy-picks/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-share-article

brb going to walk into the ocean

Steven Spielberg's direction was bad. It was sentimental. He was working something out, clearly. I don't know what it was. The story wasn't that interesting. Alright, you made movies? Who doesn't make movies when they're a kid? This particular slice you decided to show us wasn't that compelling.... it felt indulgent, and he couldn't be objective about it. I thought it was not well cast, people were just playing types. I thought Michelle Williams was trying to be "Jewish Mama." Paul Dano seemed really lost to me — I don't know if he was intimidated by Spielberg. I thought he was great in Batman, but to play a regular guy was painful.

should i talk about the show here? it’s already the least excruciating oscar’s i’ve seen in idk. super heartwarming. song performances are still really crucial bathroom break opportunities

feel like i’m coming down with a case of oscar fever

yeah, I'm loath to admit it

Brad and Alfred for next year’s hosts.

If I could host in Lydia Tar drag.

“An Irish Goodbye” won, eh? Not entirely surprised.

then it left without telling anyone

I can't see myself ever watching The Whale but this comment on Fraser from Alfred's liveblog last night is spot on: "I like him. He had it in him to be the Joel McCrea of his generation, a solid actor doomed to being perpetually overlooked."

We tuned into the last hour of the show last night and my husband, who doesn't follow current cinema at all, was pleased that "two people (he) loved in the 90s" won the top acting awards.

Weird how it’s Angela Bassett who’s considered undeserving. The screentime of the cast, A24 shouldn’t have submitted JLC for consideration! It was a strong category and hers must have been the weakest role nominated. Yeah I know how the Oscars work, I’m also saying it remains shit.

Screen time data for Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022)

- Michelle Yeoh - 1:35:16 (68.38%)
- Ke Huy Quan - 58:33 (42.03%)
- Stephanie Hsu - 42:18 (30.36%)
- James Hong - 19:37 (14.08%)
- Jamie Lee Curtis - 17:15 (12.38%) pic.twitter.com/3ufMsCFdfQ

— Matthew Stewart (@MatthewAStewart) July 20, 2022

and sometimes it's the other way around: an obvious supporting actor promoted to the main category because the studio/their agent insists.

when you break down the times like that tbh it's curtis and hong who seem like supporting and everyone else who seems like a lead (hsu in a grey area but she certainly seems like a lead when you watch it).

agree that this was not the role to give JLC her lifetime achievement oscar for. have always rly loved JLC tho like since i was five lol so

she should've gotten nods for Halloween, A Fish Called Wanda, Freaky Friday...

just so inspired in freaky friday

the person it woulda been nice to give a career-acknowledging oscar to for this as long as we're doing that is james hong; what a legend.

Found a 2016 article called something like "30 great actors that have never been Oscar nominated," and JLC was on that list with this bit at the end of her blurb:

Will It Happen? Her current roster makes it look unlikely, but Curtis is one eye-catching-role-in-a-breakout-indie away from a career renaissance, should she want it.

So ... yeah.

Shd give more honorary oscars tbh it’s nice to see good old actors be happy

They really left Paul Sorvino off the tribute reel? wtf

Oh -- would also have been cool with a nod for Knives Out.

They really left Paul Sorvino off the tribute reel? wtf

― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, March 13, 2023 3:22 PM

Honestly they should just license the ones TCM makes.

Also Anne heche someone said upthread, the Oscars are still always bad

Closing the montage with a QR code to see more was an especially crass touch.

xps to dlh yeah I get it. I think a problem - and again, not remotely claiming this is a new or unknown thing - with the “ok you’ve been solid here’s an Oscar for your role in this good film” thing is that you can see how the Academy’s tastes have shifted a bit and a lot of the stuff that they previously overlooked in the past may have been nominated this year. Not quite so much of a shift - I mean, Nope was my film of the year & it was nowhere, but a film like EEAAO winning makes me wonder if the 2023 Academy would have recognised The Matrix or Blade Runner in non-technical categories?

Eric H btw is otm re Angela Bassett. The acting categories ended up exactly the same as the Screen Actors Guild awards, but Angela Bassett did win a Golden Globe, iirc the first for a Marvel role, and has been nominated for, what, two Oscars in her whole almost forty years of work? I mean, if you’re going to give a lifetime achievement undeserved Oscar …?

Similarly, Tracer Hand made an excellent point upthread (or maybe in the EEAAO thread?) re Stephanie Hsu & her likelihood of winning in the future. What was that statistic? Second time in 95 years for a lead role? I’d be annoyed too, and perhaps worth thinking of the relative rarity of these prestige roles for Black and Asian actors. It would be nice if we could just enjoy Yeoh winning for a stellar performance in a deeply weird performance as just that, instead of her having to be the first.

Hsu was the best young woman I've seen in a film since Lady Bird and I wish retroactively that she'd have been in it.

https://www.showbiz411.com/2023/03/13/oscars-are-back-2023-ratings-near-16-mil-increase-from-2022-biggest-numbers-of-all-awards-shows-this-season

Strange to think that's good news when this sucker used to get upwards of 40 million on the regular.

we did it we saved oscar

I'm not sure why the article is calling it an increase. 2022 viewership was 16.6 million.

ON or 7 or 28?

not a single vote for Banshees??? what I would have voted had I seen this poll when it was up

history will vindicate me

JLC is cool, i don't have a problem w/her winning. she's been great in a lot of roles over the years, and probably should give an honorary mention to True Lies, which is a problematic flick and her role doesn't deviate from that and is a bit unbelievable, but she commits to it fully and you forget how ridiculous the character is in a lot of ways. i bet this was a close vote though, i kinda thought kerry condon might sneak thru but it was probably tough to get past two icons.

She was the second best supporting actress in her own film but sure.

There appear to be three categories for acting wins - 1) an astonishing performance, 2) being entirely of the moment, or 3) having a legacy or being overdue - as well as sometimes a combination of the three.

Stephanie Hsu is fantastic in EEAAO, but Curtis winning seems fine to me. She's memorable as always and it is a legacy award. I would have liked to see Farrell win best actor, not just as a legacy but for his performance, but am happy that Brendan Fraser won and not Austin Butler for yet another mimicry of a music star in a dumb biopic

In the International Film category I still haven't seen Close, which is a film about a mama's boy that I've been looking forward to for months, starring Eden Dembrine and Émilie Dequenne (best actress winner in the Palme D'Or-winning film from 1999, Rosetta).

All Quiet was the inevitable winner though

Close earned several queasy reviews from writers I respect. Their consistency impressed me: a strong first half, a calamitous second half.

I'm going to rent it this week.

I saw the reviews too, but am skeptical about those perspectives and am more forgiving of sentiment than most of you are here. I'm curious to read what you think about it.

how are you defining "sentiment"?

Saw someone point out that the In Memoriam omitted Charlbi Dean, who obviously wasn't a Hollywood legend but was the female lead in one of this year's Best Picture nominees (Triangle of Sadness).

xp As tenderness, wistfulness, nostalgia, and sadness that is even maybe self-indulgent - I love it all. I'm not predicting what the film will be about since I haven't seen it

just saw that about Charbli Dean, awful

xp As tenderness, wistfulness, nostalgia, and sadness that is even maybe self-indulgent - I love it all. I'm not predicting what the film will be about since I haven't seen it

― Dan S

hey, many of us loved Benediction and The Fabelmans. See our backs? Pat them.

you asked what I meant by sentiment, I gave an answer. I'm not going to pat your backs

not sure why I post here honestly

lol dude I'm teasing you

Never, ever assume longtime posters are out to get anyone, especially when the anyone posts in good faith.

ok, I understand

I really liked Paul Rogers' speech when he won for editing Everything Everywhere, it was perfect

Guess the figures I linked above weren’t correct

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/2023-oscar-ratings-academy-awards-audience-1235550070/amp/

"more hits and slaps" helped

you asked what I meant by sentiment, I gave an answer. I'm not going to pat your backs

― Dan S, Tuesday, March 14, 2023 1:13 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

itt i learned that alfred has multiple backs

His and Jake Gyllenhaal's iirc

Finally saw "Tar." I'd managed to remain totally spoiler free, not that there is really much to spoil beyond the excellent writing, direction and acting. A great, quietly original all-around creation.

itt i learned that alfred has multiple backs

― ꙮ (map)

a Negroni for each back

WWIII is nigh:

https://www.indiewire.com/2023/03/best-picture-oscars-should-only-go-american-films-says-cannes-head-1234823508/

disagree with Thierry. all of the Academy rules seem arbitrary, but they kind of make sense.

I can see wanting to limit International Feature Film nominees to foreign language cinema

and agree that Best Picture and Best Director nominees should be open to all films from every language and culture

Honestly, if there aren't at least 12 foreign language performances up for the acting awards, I call foul

(In any given year, that is)

How can a non-American film win the Oscar for best film since it’s a ceremony in honor of American cinema?

I think I see a flaw in this argument

https://variety.com/2023/film/awards/angela-bassett-mel-brooks-governors-awards-honorary-oscars-1235654578/

Angela Bassett, Mel Brooks and Carol Littleton will receive honorary Oscars at this year’s Governors Awards, announced by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. In addition, the Sundance Institute’s Michelle Satter will receive the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Awards. The four statuettes will be presented at the 14th annual ceremony on Saturday, Nov. 18, 2023, in Los Angeles.