Bitter vs. Juicy, Old World vs. New World, Apollo vs. Dionysus
― treeship., Friday, 10 March 2023 21:31 (one year ago) link
I love a hazy NEIPA, as juicy & citrusy as possible, haven't been drinking and I miss them.
Fond memory of being in a bar in Buenos Aires and not understanding what the bartender meant when they kept saying "neepa".
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 10 March 2023 21:54 (one year ago) link
voted 'a plague on all of these houses', so done with IPA being the default craft ale
― imago, Friday, 10 March 2023 21:56 (one year ago) link
that said, based on a recent visit to the Thornbridge taproom for a tasting session, probably New England? not sure I've ever tried West Coast. absolutely, definitely not fuckin English
― imago, Friday, 10 March 2023 22:00 (one year ago) link
West Coast for sure. Hazy is not for me.
― jaymc, Friday, 10 March 2023 22:01 (one year ago) link
I like them piney af
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Friday, 10 March 2023 22:03 (one year ago) link
hazy gives me headaches the next day... not a big fan (though I'll drink it in a pinch obv)
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 10 March 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link
new england just bc my favorite at the moment is montauk eastern haze. low abv ipas >>>>>
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 10 March 2023 23:25 (one year ago) link
prefer juicy generally
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 10 March 2023 23:26 (one year ago) link
gonna vote UK, I prefer bitter to sweet/skunky
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― Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 11 March 2023 00:47 (one year ago) link
heady topperfocal bangersip of sunshine
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 11 March 2023 00:48 (one year ago) link
iykyk
didn’t realize IPAs were still going strong in 2023
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 11 March 2023 00:54 (one year ago) link
was so intrigued by that New England haze but my god did it get old fast. Voted west coast but silby otm let's do something else.
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:15 (one year ago) link
xp sours gave them a run for a bit there, but yeah they are still way too dominant on taplists
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:15 (one year ago) link
give me a good pilsner any day
(n.b. I am drinking Ninkasi's Total Domination right now, prob the ur-West Coast IPA)
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:16 (one year ago) link
They are still good. But like "shows" in the other thread, there are too many.
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:19 (one year ago) link
I think the ubiquity in taprooms has a lot to do with the higher ABV - like, if you're gonna spend $8 on a pint, you want it to have a little kick
But you can tell your friends that you just really like hops
― Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:22 (one year ago) link
the NEIPA drives me mad because that is completely from Vermont and all the other neighboring NE breweries latched on because of its deserved hype.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:29 (one year ago) link
WEST COAST
― calstars, Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:41 (one year ago) link
NE is vomitous
― calstars, Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:43 (one year ago) link
I made a NEIPA once. It was fantastic... for about 2 weeks, then the hops went downhill fast! Much much shorter shelf life than anything else I've made. Breweries must use some preservatives? If I make another one, I'll have to give most of it away.
I'm still a basic IPA guy but not real knowledgeable about styles. Is the British much less hoppy than west coast? Like in Canada we have Alexander Keith's which doesn't feel like "an IPA" at all. TIL what I mean by "an IPA" is west coast I guess. With NEIPA being the hyper juicy variant.
West. But hella juicy without so much haze, plz.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:47 (one year ago) link
the worst thing about sours giving ipas a run for their money is that sours started to suck ass
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 March 2023 02:29 (one year ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Friday, March 10, 2023 7:48 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
got a heady going right now
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 11 March 2023 02:41 (one year ago) link
I’ll have six mild sours any day but would probably start with a pair of ipas
― calstars, Saturday, 11 March 2023 02:46 (one year ago) link
New England IPAs are so ubiquitous now, people forget how new they are. The first “hazy” ipa was said to have been created in 2004, and this style wasn’t widely available until the mid 2010s. I think they’re innovative — this style draws out a far wider array of tastes and aromas from hops than west coast ipas. Not just that, they are also far more drinkable.
― treeship., Saturday, 11 March 2023 03:53 (one year ago) link
I had two kegs of other half space dream at my wedding. Everyone loved it—even people who weren’t into ipas. The fruitiness and the softer mouthfeel win people over, seduces them even.
― treeship., Saturday, 11 March 2023 03:56 (one year ago) link
So done with ale’s. Give me a proper European lager any day.
I am exaggerating, all beer is undoubtedly great regardless of style, but the ubiquity of ipas has really soured it for me. Feeing the sea change to a ubiquity of sours now, god help us all.
Made a Belgian white ipa last week, fun for the novelty. Also get fruit out of my sour beer, proper straight sour lager (also just accidentally made).
In short, whatever beer I am currently making is the best beer.
― hrep (H.P), Saturday, 11 March 2023 08:18 (one year ago) link
28 and feeling beer like I was feeling music at 18. Everything that I am currently into is amazing, there is no no sunset on this everlasting day and my engagement is all that is needed to access this transcendent dimension inaccessible to the masses which I am blessed for. Long live grog!
― hrep (H.P), Saturday, 11 March 2023 08:19 (one year ago) link
Generally bored with IPAs although Pliny the Elder is as good as they say and well worth trying if you're in the right part of California. Most of the time I prefer Belgian beer or a good German lager. Tannenzäpfle or Saison Dupont FTW.
Having said that I've been enjoying Beak's IPAs.
I did think the other day as I was drinking one, IPAs are like indie music. Generally a cliche but if it's done with style it can still be very enjoyable :)
― Treblekicker, Saturday, 11 March 2023 09:06 (one year ago) link
more exemplary drunkposting itt please, H.P has shown the way and the light
― imago, Saturday, 11 March 2023 10:17 (one year ago) link
New England please
― piedro àlamodevar (wins), Saturday, 11 March 2023 11:49 (one year ago) link
Two Hearted
― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:09 (one year ago) link
I'm drinking 90% NEIPAs at the moment but have started getting back into other stuff like sours and dark beers. I had a really great mildly smoked porter from Oxbow last night.
― awaiting the ILX acquihire (PBKR), Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link
I don’t drink anymore but imo the hazy fruity ipa was one of the worst things that happened to craft beer in the last decade.
― ian, Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
― ian, Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
IPA has always been the default UK craft ale, it is mindblowing tedious. Good for you, you can put lots of hops in beer. Apparently it's the easiest starter beer for new breweries but that's not an excuse, or shouldn't be.
Sours....a few UK breweries have done amazing sours. A few US ones too, that I've managed to get my hands on. But I'm sort of going off getting canned sours atm - so often it's the same sickly mild fruited buzz, without the depth of a saison or the power of a gueuze. Dross
Find myself increasingly going for stouts and porters (the more imperial the better) these days. Give me that rich dark intensity - not only do I love it but there's a lower chance it'll turn out to be bland
The reason you don't see so many saisons, I presume, is because they're so hard to pull off. But if you find a good one it's worth about five ordinary beers
― imago, Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
I did have one amazing American sour very recently but I've completely forgotten what it was. Silly me. It was a deep red colour and had both depth and power!
― imago, Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
I like ipas because they have a bit more kick than a bud or miller
― calstars, Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
Just had an Other Half IPA with only Nectaron hops and the aroma and flavor is off the charts tropical fruit. A+ would have again.
― awaiting the ILX acquihire (PBKR), Monday, 13 March 2023 23:08 (one year ago) link
I usually pass over the boxed six pack IPA's because they're all like 'Mango Creamsickle Chutney' or 'Pepper Lime' or something weird like that... I do buy Lagunitas or occasionally Sierra Nevade Torpedo but then I drink all six and get too wasted
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 13 March 2023 23:20 (one year ago) link
So you’re a west coast partisan I gather
― treeship., Monday, 13 March 2023 23:52 (one year ago) link
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To me this is the pinnacle of beers when fresh.
― treeship., Monday, 13 March 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link
Vaguely creamy and sweet but not in a sickly way, still crisp and refreshing, just enough bitterness at the end
― treeship., Monday, 13 March 2023 23:54 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 1 April 2023 00:01 (one year ago) link
Apparently it's the easiest starter beer for new breweries but that's not an excuse, or shouldn't be.
Also a huge money-maker because people love to drink them
― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Saturday, 1 April 2023 00:17 (one year ago) link
as an intermediate-level homebrewer, I disagree with this. Lagers and pilsners are hard, ales are all pretty much the same. No practical difference between an IPA and a classic "strong ale" in terms of process, slightly different ingredients. IPA adds gypsum, that is the only difference I can think of.
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 1 April 2023 01:59 (one year ago) link
my theory re: IPA popularity is that ppl are actually into the hops as much as the alcohol
signed, recovering IPA addict currently drinking a "Northwest Lager"
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 1 April 2023 02:00 (one year ago) link
not seeing the problem with drinking things you enjoy
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 1 April 2023 02:12 (one year ago) link
As a below intermediate level homebrewer i would also like to co-sign. Lagers and Pilsner’s certainly have more room for error re: fermentation processs and the typically demanded subtlety. IPA’s can be a bit brutish: put as many hops in as possible, pick a basic malt or two, and ferment without care and typically it will turn out alright. Many hops cover a multitude of sins.
― hrep (H.P), Saturday, 1 April 2023 02:15 (one year ago) link
People selling ipas commercially must balance their finances well because I certainly spend a painful amount of money making them. Probably just need a cheaper hop supplier.
― hrep (H.P), Saturday, 1 April 2023 02:16 (one year ago) link
xxp oh I love IPAs, but sometimes you go to a bar and that's pretty much all that's on tap!
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 1 April 2023 02:19 (one year ago) link
breweries themselves (i.e. taprooms, tasting rooms) tend to vary a little more in my experience
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Saturday, 1 April 2023 02:20 (one year ago) link
IPA’s can be a bit brutish: put as many hops in as possible, pick a basic malt or two, and ferment without care and typically it will turn out alright. Many hops cover a multitude of sins.
― hrep (H.P), Saturday, 1 April 2023 02:15 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
ty for beautifully and succinctly illuminating the case for the prosecution
― imago, Saturday, 1 April 2023 07:11 (one year ago) link
It’s almost - almost - as if the style was developed as a preservation technique for shipping long distances.
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 1 April 2023 08:12 (one year ago) link
Lol, I’m not complaining! My most recent white Belgian IPA was a nightmare which proved the preservational nature of the IPA. I transferred too many of my hops into my serving keg and it clogged my serving lines. Had to open my keg (oxidation), put my hand in to remove the dip tube (potential infection), sanitise another container to dump it all in (further oxidation), funnel it all back in (more oxidation), then to top it all off, the keg would not seal so guess what we had more of (oxidation).
By all accounts, the beer should be ruined. Yet my maxim was put into practice and many hops covered my sins. It tastes somewhere between fine-good.
― hrep (H.P), Saturday, 1 April 2023 10:56 (one year ago) link
Call me a snob, but I have no time for drinking beer outside of breweries. There are so many around my neck of the woods it just seems silly to not take the opportunity to drink something that was made fresh onsite. There’s typically enough seasonal variety as well that you never have to drink the same beer twice if you’re doing the rounds. If any Australians are reading, the only exception to this rule is drinking Madocke Brew any chance you can. Cannot rate their grog high enough.
Recently went on a “road-trip” with my wife which was secretly just a way for me to hit up as many breweries as possible in south east Queensland over 3 days. We got to around 10. Glorious time
― hrep (H.P), Saturday, 1 April 2023 11:02 (one year ago) link
a friend in Seattle grows his own, if you are in a suitable climate/fyixxxp
― Half Japanese Breakfast (outdoor_miner), Saturday, 1 April 2023 13:59 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 2 April 2023 00:01 (one year ago) link