During the past 7 days in the US, 3 young people have been shot, 2 critically & 1 fatally, for mistakenly approaching the property of firearm enthusiasts:1) 16 year old Ralph Yarl was gunned down for ringing a doorbell at the wrong address in Missouri2) 20 year old Kaylin Gillis was killed for turning around in someone's driveway in upstate NY3) 18 year old Payton Washington was shot when she mistakenly opened the door to the wrong car at a gym parking lot in Texas
All 3 shooters are being charged, but this seems like the natural result of stand your ground and open carry laws and 2nd amendment worshippers anxiously looking for a chance to use their precious personal protection to kill someone. Seems like a different topic for discussion than the mass shootings thread, but hopefully it won't get bumped with new examples as regularly.
― BrianB, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link
chekhov's gun seems relevant
― it's a new day in the international landscape (z_tbd), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 16:27 (one year ago) link
I think these things happen ALL the time, there's just more media coverage
Remember the policewoman who shot a guy in his own apartment, thinking it was her place?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link
Trayvon Martin in 2012 seems like another example, another teen shot while mistakenly thought to be trespassing, but Zimmerman had called the cops and fought with him before shooting him, leading to his bullshit acquittal by self defense. Also Ahmaud Aubrey suspected of trespassing in 2020, but he was actually hunted down, fought with and killed. All 3 shooters this week just came out shooting.
― BrianB, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:07 (one year ago) link
I just read about the third of these in the paper and it was finally too much for my brain. What the fucking fuck
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
"An attorney for Kevin Monahan, the suspect in Kaylin Gillis’ death in upstate New York, said his client “did not intend to hurt anyone” and “a series of errors” were made “that he is part of.”
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link
A defense lawyer can't just say "my client is crazy as a bedbug and guilty as hell."
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link
how do you put this in the passive tense: "He aimed a firearm at the vehicle and pulled the trigger"
"Mistakes were made"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 18:18 (one year ago) link
"I think these things happen ALL the time, there's just more media coverage"
But why now?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65330696
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 22:57 (one year ago) link
Sorry this is example no 3. Just saw it now.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 22:58 (one year ago) link
AGAIN: Kinsley White, 6, was shot by a North Carolina neighbor who was upset that a basketball rolled into his yard. The gunman also shot her parents and other family members. White was released from the hospital overnight. #ncpol https://t.co/86gUUmvQXq— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) April 19, 2023
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 23:23 (one year ago) link
I know at least one person who bought their first firearm recently due to what seems like a ramping up of gun violence news in the past few years. What makes a person who identifies as "progressive" and doesn't come from any kind of firearm background (family, ex-cop/vet, whatever) suddenly buy one: Fear.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 23:41 (one year ago) link
xp - that's gonna be awkward during the summer block party
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 23:44 (one year ago) link
Wtf at that tweet
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 20 April 2023 00:33 (one year ago) link
I swear to god I’m not making light of these incidents but it’s not even summer yet
What has happened to us?!?
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 20 April 2023 00:34 (one year ago) link
Was in Gastonia last year, a pretty grimLooking place.
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 20 April 2023 00:39 (one year ago) link
Sorry for the unnecessary line break.
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 20 April 2023 00:40 (one year ago) link
I know a guy who was running for office a few years ago and said that he almost got shot while door-knocking by a guy who came to the door brandishing a gun and said "I thought you were breaking in." This was a white guy in a suit ringing the doorbell in a suburban neighborhood in the middle of the afternoon.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 20 April 2023 01:11 (one year ago) link
In some ways it's a little surprising our carnage isn't higher than it already is. So many guns, so many terrified dumb people.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 20 April 2023 01:12 (one year ago) link
In Louisiana, man shoots neighborhood kid playing hide and seek in his yard. https://www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article275197271.html
― BrianB, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 15:25 (one year ago) link
that's gonna be awkward during the summer block party
There need to be follow-up stories. How do the other neighbors treat the guy who shot someone for just walking across his lawn, or whatever? Are they civil? Do they pull their kids inside when they see him? Does he move away?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link
Sounds like this was a dead end street where only the shooter, the victim/family, and other relatives of the victim lived. I hope that the shooter is too ashamed to move back there when he gets out of jail.
― BrianB, Tuesday, 9 May 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
so yes this person was charged, but look at how many times they aren't (i.e. the recent Davie case).
the cops already have a low threshold for what is considered a 'good shoot', but civilians in these stand your ground states (like mine) have an even lower threshold. they don't have to make any real assessment as to what the people are doing on their property, shout any kind of warning, or really assess anything other than "someone's on my property".
if the kids hadn't been running away when the shooter shot, I bet he doesn't get charged.
― Qeq-hauau-ent-pehui (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 17:18 (one year ago) link
the sheer glee people take in speaking about how these armed psychos are in the right for executing teenagers because they were scared despite being the only person who actually has machines of death at the scene makes me want to just punch holes through a wall.
― Qeq-hauau-ent-pehui (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 May 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link
Texas is the reason...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-arrested-for-murder-keene-texas-sonic-worker-shooting/
― earlnash, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 21:25 (one year ago) link
this times one fucking thousand percent
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 22:38 (one year ago) link
when i was growing up in rural east tennessee there was a guy ostensibly named “Peanut” who lived up on the hill between me and my best friend’s house, and one time he told our parents that we shouldn’t walk down the lane to each other’s houses after dark because he’d shoot anybody walking down the lane. our parents were like, you’re not shooting anybody you fucking psycho, this is our lane too. i never thought much about it. i guess today, you probably would think about it pretty hard
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:45 (one year ago) link
i went back home years ago w/my wife and kid, rural IL. heard some commotion outside, apparently the bernie bros across the street from my mom had backed their car into the mailbox of the trump guy next door to my mom's house, all i heard was something about "it's just a fuckin mailbox" followed by "oh a gun, now you're gonna shoot us?" or something along all those lines. the *other* trump guy who lived across the street watching from his porch, probably locked and loaded too but who knows. anyway, the police arrived and things settled down quickly, everyone went back inside. fast forward to now, my mom still lives there but everyone else is gone, totally apolitical folks all around these days. who knows what would have happened though, everyone was on edge. this was on christmas night.
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link
Wow omar. That whole story is bad but the last sentence is heartbreaking.
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link
I wonder when the next shooting is going to happen at my RV park. The group of people who were friends with the person who did the last one are dead or gone, but there's a person who was shooting squirrels (not sure if it was for fun or food) until recently.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
that's so scary : (
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
evidence of how this is influencing my thinking now - last night I had an AirBNB in St Petersburg. for some reason, when you click the directions link from your AirBNB email, it sends coordinates rather than the address to Google Maps, meaning it often shows you the wrong address, off by a few house numbers.
yesterday, that happened, and when I figured it out, about 2 minutes from my destination, I thought to myself "man, with people getting shot for merely pulling into the wrong person's driveway, I'm glad I figured that out now. imagine if I'd tried to enter the door at the wrong house". now, given the usually racist motivations behind said shootings, I am probably not as likely a target (which is even more fucked up). but these are things that would never scan as anything but hilarious embarrassing moments even, like, 5 years ago
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link
(I'm not trying to pretend things like this couldn't have/didn't happen prior to this year, and I know sometimes stories that happen in clusters happen because news organizations often seek out similar stories when a big news item breaks. but the awareness of the trivial things people get shot over is higher than ever now, and it's influencing all of us)
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link
Every day things get more and more like Parable of the Sower
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 21:22 (one year ago) link
Another shooter mad about neighborhood kids playing in her yard, this time shoots and kills their mom through a screen door right in front of the kids. https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/calls-to-arrest-florida-woman-after-alleged-fatal-shooting-of-black-neighbor-180557381940
― BrianB, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link
I don't really know how anyone can think the U.S. isn't an absolute dystopia. It requires public outcry to get someone arrested for straight up murder in front of children.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:12 (one year ago) link
Guy in Illinois dreams that he has a home intruder, shoots himself in the leg and wakes up. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-shot-himself-dream-intruder-illegal-possession-lake-county-illinois/
― BrianB, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link
Lol of course this is some (very likely, given the area) some rich douchebag with more money than common sense and a revenge fantasy boner.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:20 (one year ago) link
Night Gallery episode
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link
But, when he fired the revolver, Dicara shot himself in the leg instead and woke from the dream, a subsequent investigation found.
v good sentence
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link
(prob still in the dream tho.)
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:11 (one year ago) link
he was incepted to shoot himself
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link
Would love to see this become a trend... anti-woke conservatives literally shooting themselves in the foot as they sleep, the headlines write themselves.
― BrianB, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 21:03 (one year ago) link
A Man Killed 4 Neighbors After Teen Masturbated In Front Of His Family, Police Sayhttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/idaho-family-killings_n_64935376e4b0aec6b7fe1c00
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 June 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link
Are we allowed to wonder what might have happened if this man had not owned a gun when he allegedly "snapped"?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 22 June 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
Uber Passenger Who Mistakenly Thought She Was Being Kidnapped Shoots Driver, Is Charged with Murder
https://people.com/uber-passenger-who-mistakenly-thought-she-was-being-kidnapped-shoots-driver-is-charged-with-murder-7552617?hid=a94026e92979680181b5df63f61606df768969ba&did=9509225-20230624&utm_source=ppl&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=people-news_newsletter&utm_content=062423&lctg=a94026e92979680181b5df63f61606df768969ba
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 24 June 2023 23:11 (one year ago) link
…. what?
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 25 June 2023 12:06 (one year ago) link
When Karl Polek, a 33-year-old pool cleaner, arrived at a Dunedin, Fla., home he carried a flashlight because it was already dark. The homeowner inside didn’t recognize him and within minutes, Bradley Hocevar fired his M4 carbine 30 times. https://t.co/yh1tzs2iqo— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) June 28, 2023
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 19:57 (eleven months ago) link
"no crime was committed" jesus f christ
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:01 (eleven months ago) link
lawful but awful
― omar little, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:10 (eleven months ago) link
invoking castle doctrine when used against someone you literally invited to do work at your house....jfc
not that I believe in castle doctrine ANYWAY (or at least, not fully), but good god
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:15 (eleven months ago) link
yeah I'm not legal genius but doesn't this open up the possibility of inviting someone to your house in order to legally murder them upon arrival?
― rob, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:16 (eleven months ago) link
xpost and shithead lawyer blaming the pool guy for 'not announcing himself'.
when you've been pool cleaner for six months and the family is expecting you at some point of the day, they usually don't show up at the door and say "hi I'm here". I've sometimes been housesitting at a friend's to find pool guy already on the porch working when I woke up.
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:21 (eleven months ago) link
yeah seriously
"hey come over later tonight for a few beers, just come by when you can"
*blam blam*
"man you didn't tell me when you were coming over, sorry"
like it's basically at the point where social faux pas are considered appropriate moments to shoot people now
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:23 (eleven months ago) link
Hopefully the pool cleaner will invite Karl over to his house to return the favor to share a beer and patch things over.
― Fish Sticks in the Fanny Pack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:33 (eleven months ago) link
and the guy didn't try to gain entrance to the house
sorry, but I think murdering someone out in your yard is not standing any ground
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:33 (eleven months ago) link
Impossible to comprehend being consumed by paranoia such that your response to seeing someone outside is to just start blasting.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:34 (eleven months ago) link
otm
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:36 (eleven months ago) link
now that WaPo broke what was originally a local story, hopefully this shooter gets daily harassment for months
― sad Mings of dynasty (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:42 (eleven months ago) link
Well, he'll probably have to start cleaning his own pool
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:50 (eleven months ago) link
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― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:50 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Wait until you know he's not home and take a shit in the pool. Every single day.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 20:55 (eleven months ago) link